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RE: European Championships - 10/9/2015 1:49:55 PM   
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Great shame Scotland couldn't join the party and make it all four home countries in a finals for the first time since 1958.

But hey, that's 3 out of 4 So pleased for the Welsh (barring disaster against Andorra of course!) and the Northern Irish.


this article is pretty good on why we didn't deserve to get to the finals.

The only thing it misses has been the long term malign impact of the Celtic-Rangers duopoly. For a long time that pair pretty much had guarenteed CL football for winning or coming second. A key part of their strategy to ensure that was to buy any half promising player from Hearts/Hibs/Aberdeen/Dundee Utd not to strengthen themselves but to weaken the rest of the league. Few of those players really then developed (Kenny Miller and Derek Riordan come quickly to mind, but there are plenty of others) which has had a long term corrosive effect on the Scotland team and the general level of Scottish players.

Now why NI did so well, even lacking our few remaining advantages (comparatively) is an interesting aside, its possible to see Wales as being propelled by a once every now and then collection of exceptional players but thats not the case for NI.

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RE: European Championships - 10/9/2015 5:24:28 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 8:37:40 AM   
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Humble pie anyone?

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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 8:40:25 AM   
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Hahaha the new boss at Anfield is just... the normal one. Mom's watching the press conference on TV

Humble pie anyone?
warspite1

Humble pie?


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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 8:55:19 AM   
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Hahaha the new boss at Anfield is just... the normal one. Mom's watching the press conference on TV

Humble pie anyone?
warspite1

Humble pie?




Yess

This is like the girl who says "I am the prettiest girl in the world"... Maybe she is but the point is that a third party can say that.. Not her.

"I am their best manager"... humm

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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 8:58:59 AM   
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Hahaha the new boss at Anfield is just... the normal one. Mom's watching the press conference on TV

Humble pie anyone?
warspite1

Humble pie?




Yess

This is like the girl who says "I am the prettiest girl in the world"... Maybe she is but the point is that a third party can say that.. Not her.

"I am their best manager"... humm
warspite1

Ah okay - I suspect its a translation thing. We would use eating humble pie in a different context - hence my confusion.


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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 9:17:01 AM   
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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 9:49:42 AM   
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I am completely lost.


It is still quite evident.

Humility vs arrogance / pomposity / pompousness / presumptuousness etc etc etc

The journalist who's asking is a vulture anyway. He's adding fuel to the fire... He's possibly expecting a future confrontation between managers = more sordid articles can be written for free The new Wenger is here, Mourinho, watch your back!

You still don't get it?

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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 9:58:58 AM   
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I am completely lost.


It is still quite evident.

Humility vs arrogance / pomposity / pompousness / presumptuousness etc etc etc

The journalist who's asking is a vulture anyway. He's adding fuel to the fire... He's possibly expecting a future confrontation between managers = more sordid articles can be written for free The new Wenger is here, Mourinho, watch your back!

You still don't get it?
warspite1

The confusion - though I cannot speak for Orm, only myself - is that you have used the term Humble Pie in a way that is wrong - certainly in English.

Humble pie (and the eating of) would be true if:

- Mourinho came to Chelsea and says 'I am the Special One'
- He then proves to be rubbish and so must eat humble pie.

However, he has won more trophies on his own than most English clubs have won in their entire history. He has proven far from rubbish.

- In the papers recently he has said he is the best manager Chelsea has ever had.

That is a statement of fact and nothing to eat humble pie over.


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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 10:01:34 AM   
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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 10:05:48 AM   
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mildy footie related, but more about the importance of proper grammar. Unless of course this is really meant to happen exactly as written?







warspite1

No, this is factually correct.

Mrs MacArthur has specifically stated* she wants a natural birth while lying astride 'The Rock'. I assume she means the British overseas possession and not......







* allegedly - although this may be total sloblocks.....




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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 10:25:03 AM   
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mildy footie related, but more about the importance of proper grammar. Unless of course this is really meant to happen exactly as written?














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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 2:22:36 PM   
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mildy footie related, but more about the importance of proper grammar. Unless of course this is really meant to happen exactly as written?







warspite1

No, this is factually correct.

Mrs MacArthur has specifically stated* she wants a natural birth while lying astride 'The Rock'. I assume she means the British overseas possession and not......







* allegedly - although this may be total sloblocks.....





Somedays it is quite difficult to remain serious in these forums.

But it does tickle my humour.

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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 5:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		We move away from the Mrs McArthur shenanigans for some breaking news:

Albania are going to qualify for a major tournament!!!!!!

Looks like Northern Ireland are going to win their group!!!!!

Sadly Hungary looked destined for the play-offs....

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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 5:59:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		There were a few surprises for the Euro 2016 finals. Iceland and Albania, who would have thought that.
Still shocked about Holland, do they still have any chances of getting to the playoffs, I doubt that very much. Sad for the crazy dutch, as they really support their Oranje team, love to see the whole stadium in Oranjie colours.

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RE: European Championships - 10/11/2015 7:20:54 PM   
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We move away from the Mrs McArthur shenanigans for some breaking news:

...


at least she's not doing the deed at Hampden (which, since I live 2 miles away, I can confirm is a wee bit chilly) but in balmy Portugal ...

Albania at the finals is going to be interesting

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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 7:56:41 PM   
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Norway going through as group winners

Holland going out

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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:10:38 PM   
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As things stand:

Norway going through as group winners

Holland going out
warspite1

Oh dear.... its now Holland 0-3 Czech Rep.....

That's a turnip for the books....


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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:20:41 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:22:53 PM   
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An Italian goal and things change...
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Norway joining Sweden in the play-offs?


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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:26:41 PM   
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Norway joining Sweden in the play-offs?


Looks like it since Italy scored again.

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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:28:55 PM   
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They still need two more AND for Turkey to lose against Iceland....

.....nope Turkey score and its all over for the Dutch.... wow

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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:36:54 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:43:38 PM   
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Damn, that means Turkey qualify as best 3rd place finishers and not the Magyars

Why had this some importance to you?

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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:46:31 PM   
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Damn, that means Turkey qualify as best 3rd place finishers and not the Magyars

Why had this some importance to you?
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Only that I feel sorry for Hungary - they should have won the World Cup in 1954 and then kind of disappeared from importance in the world game. Plus they have a stonkingly good kit - Deep red shirts, white shorts and green socks luv it!


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RE: European Championships - 10/13/2015 8:57:18 PM   
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RE: European Championships - 10/14/2015 9:16:14 AM   
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RE: European Championships - 10/14/2015 11:19:29 AM   
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Holland 2-3 Czech Rep!!!

They still need two more AND for Turkey to lose against Iceland....

.....nope Turkey score and its all over for the Dutch.... wow


well living in a Dutch-Scottish household that set of disasters met very different reactions ... the Scottish wing taking a good calvinist view that suffering is (a) intended and normal and (b) good for the soul ... the Dutch wing reacting as if a totally unexpected and unreasonable event had just occurred ..

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RE: European Championships - 10/14/2015 11:21:32 AM   
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Holland 2-3 Czech Rep!!!

They still need two more AND for Turkey to lose against Iceland....

.....nope Turkey score and its all over for the Dutch.... wow


well living in a Dutch-Scottish household that set of disasters met very different reactions ... the Scottish wing taking a good calvinist view that suffering is (a) intended and normal and (b) good for the soul ... the Dutch wing reacting as if a totally unexpected and unreasonable event had just occurred ..
warspite1

I liked then comment from a long suffering Scottish supporter on the BBC last night.

Holland have taken the view that if Scotland won't be in France, then they won't either


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RE: European Championships - 10/14/2015 12:34:28 PM   
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Holland 2-3 Czech Rep!!!

They still need two more AND for Turkey to lose against Iceland....

.....nope Turkey score and its all over for the Dutch.... wow


well living in a Dutch-Scottish household that set of disasters met very different reactions ... the Scottish wing taking a good calvinist view that suffering is (a) intended and normal and (b) good for the soul ... the Dutch wing reacting as if a totally unexpected and unreasonable event had just occurred ..

The difference in reaction might be because the Dutch has always entered the tournament while the Scottish have had trouble to do so for a while now. And the Dutch recently bagged the third place in the World Cup.

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