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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/9/2015 12:18:32 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/9/2015 1:19:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		My take on it is that even though the targets hardly warrant an expensive cruise missile, it's an opportunity to test out a system under real world conditions. Also I think the ships that fired those missiles are also available for sale internationally. This is an excellent opportunity at free advertising of a weapon systems capabilities.

Bear in mind the targets don't have any working networked anti-air systems, it's more a show of capability.

Here's a video of two of the missile flying over northern Iraq the other day.
https://youtu.be/2b2Pzxbzvsk



Contrast with some 1991 Tomahawk flybys near a camera crew.
https://youtu.be/2vhxDjh27Cc

https://youtu.be/gbmfFz-zEPs?list=FLUbMa9kEYoLP3_Zlc2nzVPA

From my perspective, we'd do the same thing if the opportunity presented itself to sell our systems. ;)



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/9/2015 1:57:11 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/9/2015 2:10:07 PM   
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Additionally with the recent footage of Russian airstrikes being shown from the perspective of the targeting systems as featured in the video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlbHNwo8YY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_HZJ55w8Qc



By Contrast, French airstrikes using FLIR in the presence of ordinance going off:
https://youtu.be/LP_abtKwARs

Kiowa firing rockets on targets in Iraq from a US drone FLIR:

https://youtu.be/rMROMiDeVk0

I am surprised and interested by two things.

1. The FLIR imagery is of a very low quality compared to what is available today on strike aircraft in the West. The scene is completely lost when a hot object is in the field of view, this demonstrates a lack of processing algorithms to adjust gain and contrast to keep the entire scene in view. This effect can be seen on US Flir imagery from the 1991 war for comparison.

2. The FLIR is running at only about 8FPS, they are intentionally restricted in framerate as this is in accordance with a Western designed FLIR that is following Export regulations to other countries. FLIR systems usually run at 60Hz or more when possible to limit lag and not miss important details of the scene or for tracking moving objects.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/9/2015 2:52:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AlmightyTallest


1. The FLIR imagery is of a very low quality compared to what is available today on strike aircraft in the West. The scene is completely lost when a hot object is in the field of view, this demonstrates a lack of processing algorithms to adjust gain and contrast to keep the entire scene in view. This effect can be seen on US Flir imagery from the 1991 war for comparison.

2. The FLIR is running at only about 8FPS, they are intentionally restricted in framerate as this is in accordance with a Western designed FLIR that is following Export regulations to other countries. FLIR systems usually run at 60Hz or more when possible to limit lag and not miss important details of the scene or for tracking moving objects.


this videos not from strike aircraft but from "Forpost" (aka Israel made "Searcher") UAV

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/9/2015 2:59:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info Triode. That would match up with some Israeli export FLIR imagery I've seen recently.


Iraqi Mi-35 FLIR imagery shows the same limitation, but with a much higher framerate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dii6bwvJ-2Q

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/9/2015 7:13:05 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/10/2015 2:05:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Glenn Beasley

Will these be in the next Database?it would be nice if they were, North Korean Copies of Chinese/Russian Drones,Here is the link. http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20151003.aspx

I believe the generic UAV (civilian) would be a nice addition, as well as its IR camera or SAR versions of these.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/10/2015 8:37:13 PM   
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Iraqi Chinese imported CH-4 UAVs in service.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/11/2015 6:24:05 AM   
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PACIFIC 2015 pictures and video coverage: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3142

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/13/2015 3:54:01 PM   
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Advertizing for the CH-4B UCAV, as used by the Iraqi Military in their fight against ISIS.

Some footages are from Iraq.

Interesting UAV. While it seems to have fewer weapons than the Reaper, it carries a Synthetic Aperture Radar for all-weather operation and for target detection above clouds as standard equipment.

IIRC the Reaper has yet to carry a SAR radar as standard equipment, though it was tested with one in 2014...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/13/2015 6:14:03 PM   
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Nice video, but I found using targets strikingly resembling red cross tent quite disturbing, especially in light of recent Kunduz event (https://youtu.be/49AZOVbUV1o?t=1m11s)

On a side note, AFAIK Reaper uses SAR radar (AN/APY-8 Lynx) for quite a few years



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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49AZOVbUV1o

Advertizing for the CH-4B UCAV, as used by the Iraqi Military in their fight against ISIS.

Some footages are from Iraq.

Interesting UAV. While it seems to have fewer weapons than the Reaper, it carries a Synthetic Aperture Radar for all-weather operation and for target detection above clouds as standard equipment.

IIRC the Reaper has yet to carry a SAR radar as standard equipment, though it was tested with one in 2014...




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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/13/2015 6:21:30 PM   
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Nice video, but I found using targets strikingly resembling red cross tent quite disturbing, especially in light of recent Kunduz event (https://youtu.be/49AZOVbUV1o?t=1m11s)

On a side note, AFAIK Reaper uses SAR radar (AN/APY-8 Lynx) for quite a few years



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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49AZOVbUV1o

Advertizing for the CH-4B UCAV, as used by the Iraqi Military in their fight against ISIS.

Some footages are from Iraq.

Interesting UAV. While it seems to have fewer weapons than the Reaper, it carries a Synthetic Aperture Radar for all-weather operation and for target detection above clouds as standard equipment.

IIRC the Reaper has yet to carry a SAR radar as standard equipment, though it was tested with one in 2014...






Yeah, sorry. I forgot that. I just read that the Lynx-II was tested in 2014. The Reaper needed the SAR for the JDAM bombs all the time...

Regarding the Red Cross... Well, let's say that it is quite a bit macabre. But possibly unintentional, since China actually has no axe to grind against them (aside of their Chinese franchise being hopelessly corrupt, that is ).

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/14/2015 12:28:32 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/14/2015 3:50:31 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/15/2015 12:48:05 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/15/2015 1:52:25 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/15/2015 2:21:40 AM   
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http://en.yibada.com/articles/73710/20151013/naturally-occurring-uranium-chinese-researchers.htm

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/16/2015 8:23:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Australian military sensationalists, or rather, Warhawks, won't happy to hear this news at all:

Scenario possibility?

http://m.ntnews.com.au/business/full-detail-of-the-deal-chinese-company-awarded-99-year-lease-on-darwin-port-for-506-million/story-fnk2tq5v-1227568891961

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/16/2015 10:30:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dysta

Australian military sensationalists, or rather, Warhawks, won't happy to hear this news at all:

Scenario possibility?

http://m.ntnews.com.au/business/full-detail-of-the-deal-chinese-company-awarded-99-year-lease-on-darwin-port-for-506-million/story-fnk2tq5v-1227568891961

A defence expert said Australia would assert ownership and take it back over in a crisis, while another unnamed military source said it was a concern. But then others have said it is a storm in a teacup and apparently the official response from ADF is they are not worried. The Navy is also building a second facility next door to accommodate the RAN's new LHD's and the USMC deployments to Darwin.

So there is possibly a scenario in there, although I am not sure how a chinese corporation holding the lease would be any real military advantage. It doesn't mean the PLAN could just turn up at Darwin and start offloading troops.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-15/adf-concerned-over-darwin-port-sale-to-chinese-owned-company/6855182
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-14/defence-asked-about-port-deal-with-chinese-company-nt-govt-says/6854930

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/19/2015 5:50:22 PM   
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/263052596/Aargm-Er-Rfi

Found it on f-16.net, currently looking for the original source.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/19/2015 6:36:13 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/19/2015 10:45:09 PM   
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Glide "bombs" naval mines. JDAM mines! http://www.nationalinterest.org/feature/get-ready-china-russia-american-super-mines-are-coming-14120

Ever since the NI have Japanese and Indian writers for military articles, they're nothing but purely sensational and provocations.

I try my best to finds its specification, but alas, general medias won't give it out even they're promoting 'military transparency'.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 12:47:13 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 8:09:25 AM   
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Russia is planning to supply the equipment and helicopters for the Mistral amphibious assault ships that Egypt is buying from France, and the value of the deal may exceed $12 billion, Sergei Ivanov, the Russian president’s chief of staff, told journalists on Monday.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3176

Saturn Starts Making All Russian Propulsion Plants for 2 Project 22350 Adm Gorshkov-Class Frigates
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Russian manufacturer Saturn, a subsidiary of the United Engine Corporation, started manufacturing all-Russian propulsion plants for the Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates, a Saturn employee told TASS on Monday. "We have launched the production of four M55R diesel/gas-turbine propulsion plants to power the two in-construction Project 22350 frigates serialed 923 and 924 (Admiral Golovko and Admiral Isakov respectively)," the source said.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3175

Hellenic Navy Inducts New Super Vita-class Fast Attack Craft Missile - FACM in its Fleet
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The Hellenic Navy has inducted on 19 October a new fast attack craft in its fleet. During a ceremony held at the Fast Attack Crafts Command, at the Skaramagkas Naval Fort, attended by the Minister of Defence, the Chiefs of Staffs, government and foreign military officials, the Elefsis Shipyards – BAE Systems "HS Ritsos" (P71), Super Vita-class vessel, was delivered to the Navy.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3174

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 9:43:43 AM   
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http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151019/1304686160.html#ixzz3p2Bfiozr in russian

this time Gorshkov finaly test its 5P-42 "Filin" stations ( 2x4 "laser guns")



5P-42 on Gorshkov:
http://i.imgur.com/M7KWpZV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eU3xZMS.jpg

This thing intended to "blinding" enemy IR/Visual/UV sensors

Also there is smaller version of this system, 5P-42-01 "Grach" for installation on small/landing crafts:


this system is mainly for protections against ATGMs and other munitions with optical guidance

Range of this things (affected by weather, type of target, etc) is something like 15km for "Filin" against missile/bombs and for "Grach" 2km against missile/bombs 4km against ATGM launchers

So , slow subsonic AShM with ONLY optical guidance is good idea? I dont think so




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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 11:42:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Soft-kill laser system is 80s tech since the response of "Star Wars" project from the US. There is yet to prove how effective to blind IR optics with it, but it is theoretically possible since stronger IR disturbance from laser can cause an intense blinding effect for the optics.

Though, the UN is truly not happy at all to use it against human eyeballs.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 3:27:19 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 3:34:35 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 3:43:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dusta

Though, the UN is truly not happy at all to use it against human eyeballs.



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Blinding your enemy. Sure, that's cricket, right?


CCWC article 4 prohibits the use of laser weapons specifically designed to cause permanent blindness,

but does not prohibit attacks against binoculars, periscopes, telescopes, and other optical equipment because it was unknown whether laser attacks on such devices could cause permanent blindness. Article 3 allows attacks on electronic optical equipment, because damaging it would not cause human injury
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Blinding_Laser_Weapons

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