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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 1:40:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interested in the strategic VPs gained directly from bombing the 3 industry locations and the actual loss rates resulting from those attacks.  You have several other similar targets along the Queensland coast so it can be a profitable raid commencing your retreat now back towards friendly LBA.  Plus you can transit the Torres Strait to hit the Darwin and Kimberley "industry".  Those northern centres also provide an opportunity for a small maskirovka where you give the impression that you intend to launch a northern Australia invasion.  If the maskirovka is successful it will encourage retention of those American fighters in Australia which is far from where your real schwerpunckt will hit.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 1:41:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some more Indian movements...the Allies have moved their 16 unit stack further north threatening me. I bombed them and destroyed many tanks while they were split up, but they combined this turn.

I seem to have total air superiority here since butchering his Blenheims and having some small scale sweeping success. His only airbase of note is Calcutta, but Jocke likes to fly in and use maximum strength at a single target so I have to stay on my toes.

I am shipping two more divisions here, and they are somewhere near Singers now. I have to be really on my toes and watch what the British Fleet does and also I will be needing to evacuate the troops back for the West Coast attack. Dangerous Games.




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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 1:42:17 AM   
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I have never messed much with automatic replacements for air groups before, but Olorin had it setup that way, and I haven't changed anything.

However, I get odd fragments showing up at major airbases all the time. Here a Nell squadron in the far west took replacements at Tokyo. A lot of the replacements form up at Singers too.

Is this works as design or something screwy I did?





WAD.

You should move to manual airframe replacements.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 1:45:56 AM   
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Some more Indian movements...the Allies have moved their 16 unit stack further north threatening me. I bombed them and destroyed many tanks while they were split up, but they combined this turn.

I seem to have total air superiority here since butchering his Blenheims and having some small scale sweeping success. His only airbase of note is Calcutta, but Jocke likes to fly in and use maximum strength at a single target so I have to stay on my toes.

I am shipping two more divisions here, and they are somewhere near Singers now. I have to be really on my toes and watch what the British Fleet does and also I will be needing to evacuate the troops back for the West Coast attack. Dangerous Games.





I thought your main objective in this theatre was to destroy the Allied refugees at Ledo. If you are going to have to withdraw LCUs from this theatre, then you don't have much time to destroy the refugees.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 1:48:37 AM   
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Interested in the strategic VPs gained directly from bombing the 3 industry locations and the actual loss rates resulting from those attacks.  You have several other similar targets along the Queensland coast so it can be a profitable raid commencing your retreat now back towards friendly LBA.  Plus you can transit the Torres Strait to hit the Darwin and Kimberley "industry".  Those northern centres also provide an opportunity for a small maskirovka where you give the impression that you intend to launch a northern Australia invasion.  If the maskirovka is successful it will encourage retention of those American fighters in Australia which is far from where your real schwerpunckt will hit.

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I picked up about 70 strategic victory points, but I can't tell from where. The bombing seemed less effective than normal as two of three bases I relied upon float plane recon and had 4/6 DL on one base and almost nothing on the other two.

I have troops preparing for Noumea Island Area, Lord Howe and Norfolk but nothing for Oz. Noumea will have to scare the Allies given its high VP.



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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 1:51:36 AM   
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I thought your main objective in this theatre was to destroy the Allied refugees at Ledo. If you are going to have to withdraw LCUs from this theatre, then you don't have much time to destroy the refugees.

Alfred


Correct, the final division for that attack is one hex north of Imphal right now at 86% prep. The Ledo troops and airfields are being bombed daily. I didn't want to rush the attack because he does have 23,000 troops there.

But the secondary goal is misdirection. I would like Jocke to send a lot here from North America.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 2:00:32 AM   
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I have never messed much with automatic replacements for air groups before, but Olorin had it setup that way, and I haven't changed anything.

However, I get odd fragments showing up at major airbases all the time. Here a Nell squadron in the far west took replacements at Tokyo. A lot of the replacements form up at Singers too.

Is this works as design or something screwy I did?





This is a design feature.


Can you paratroop drop behind his lines in China? Or are those bases all defended now?

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 3:10:18 AM   
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Interested in the strategic VPs gained directly from bombing the 3 industry locations and the actual loss rates resulting from those attacks.  You have several other similar targets along the Queensland coast so it can be a profitable raid commencing your retreat now back towards friendly LBA.  Plus you can transit the Torres Strait to hit the Darwin and Kimberley "industry".  Those northern centres also provide an opportunity for a small maskirovka where you give the impression that you intend to launch a northern Australia invasion.  If the maskirovka is successful it will encourage retention of those American fighters in Australia which is far from where your real schwerpunckt will hit.

Alfred


I picked up about 70 strategic victory points, but I can't tell from where. The bombing seemed less effective than normal as two of three bases I relied upon float plane recon and had 4/6 DL on one base and almost nothing on the other two.

I have troops preparing for Noumea Island Area, Lord Howe and Norfolk but nothing for Oz. Noumea will have to scare the Allies given its high VP.





That is a pretty good return. I don't have the game open before me but from memory those three locations have only small sized resource facilities (and perhaps LI too). Gaining 70 points means you damaged 35 centres which should be more than a third of the total centres in the 3 locations. Which is not bad for a single attack.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 3:12:34 AM   
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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 3:48:38 AM   
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RE: Manila Falls - 12/6/2015 12:22:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cannot para land in China, the opportunity was there for a few days when I first took over but has gone.

I did get some points from strategic bombing the West Coast too.


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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 11:48:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Last turn and a few stupid oversights cost me an XAP to a sub along with 1 lc vp worth of engineers and 20 Betties which flew by mistake. Ouch.

According to my mouseovers damage at the Oz towns I bombed shows no damage, but I did get almost 70 strategic victory points. Go figure?

I will be upgrading all four A6M3a factories to the A6M5 today. This will cause both planes to arrive in early August of 1942. Both planes will go into manufacture with the larger plant making the A6M3a. My thinking was the A6M3a gives the best range/performance for the Carrier groups, while I plan on using the A6M5 as a land based interceptor/sweeper. I believe others have gone thru this exercise (Spidery?) and if my memory is correct they weren't really please with it...so I might simply put the smaller factory into the A6M3a and focus on the A6M5 until the b version comes out. I have two factories gearing up making the A6M3 now, a fairly large one and a small one.

I believe the A6M3 is another model which I can simply stop making as all squadrons will upgrade out of it.

I will also start research on the Myojo, the paper divebomber/kamikaze. This plane has only two squadrons that will fly it, but it is such a flavorful plane I have to make them.

Judy research started three days ago, insuring my KB will have the plane for all the west coast operations.


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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 12:35:54 PM   
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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 1:20:48 PM   
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I generally build the A6M3a the entire game. Range/performance for the IJN ... you just have to have that +12 hex strike range sometimes.


Hm., generally I prefer to use the Oscar for the long range escort past 10 hexes & the Frank B if I can get her. Navy fighters generally pack way more cannons, and are much better bomber killers than Army planes so as time goes by I prefer shifting the escort emphasis to Army and the bomber defense to navy.

But distance is very beneficial for lots of flexibility. I will ponder some more...

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 4:27:24 PM   
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I generally build the A6M3a the entire game. Range/performance for the IJN ... you just have to have that +12 hex strike range sometimes.


I was, but got burned on it a few times even with acceptable pilots, so stopped.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 4:41:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few things...I trade 40 Zeroes for 40 Allied ftrs over Brisbane -- 10 of my losses are Ops losses. He has a dozen or so subs after me...

However, I now have recon on Noumea and have decided to take it now. The last operation before the West Coast. Unless the recon shows up a much stronger force on Noumea...but I don't think it is there. This is a straight out and out VP grab to be held thru 42 (if I can) but no longer.

I have sigint providing major electronic messages at Karachi and at sea to Karachi. More on this next post...






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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 4:48:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jocke is attacking here. He has 14 units, at least 3 divisions plus armored units, against 2 IJA divisions and a regiment or two and about ten artillery units including some big guys behind level 1 forts (not much).

I have another two divisions plus tanks moving west to cut off his line of retreat...if I can hold in the city. Jocke has only one exit from the city.

I have morale, experience on my side, and 2000 guns. Plus probably control of the air. While Jocke has lots of AFVs and more men.






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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 6:41:00 PM   
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I generally build the A6M3a the entire game. Range/performance for the IJN ... you just have to have that +12 hex strike range sometimes.


I was, but got burned on it a few times even with acceptable pilots, so stopped.


Ok, I think I am willing to sacrifice a little escort range for better fighter performance.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 7:07:03 PM   
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I have morale, experience on my side, and 2000 guns. Plus probably control of the air. While Jocke has lots of AFVs and more men.


I have a feeling you won't hold unless you can heavily disrupt the Allied units with air attacks. Then again, I've been conditioned to think the worst.


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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 7:40:55 PM   
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I have a feeling you won't hold unless you can heavily disrupt the Allied units with air attacks. Then again, I've been conditioned to think the worst.



You may very well be right...it will depend upon how good my fighters do and the artillery. I should have a Tank Regiment show up in reserve, defense mode. Will be interesting!

I ended up not bombing his troops, which have hefty AA present, but rather swept and LRCAPed it heavily and bombed the adjacent troops.

I decided not to bombard with my artillery, which in hindsight might have been a mistake as my bombardment would have acted as a spoiling attack perhaps.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 7:47:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here you can see the Nagato managed to make it back to Singers for repairs. Quite a few ships at Singers repairing both sub torpedo hits and mine hits.

The IJN will be loading up shortly for Noumea. A fast transport fleet should leave Rabaul in two days which will comprise the first wave. More Iboats are enroute and the KB will provide cover. A full division leaves Luzon tomorrow. So, operation Noumea is off...





Nagato was hit by 3 Dutch torpedoes a while back.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 8:05:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		For the West Coast Attack I have undergoing conversion to troop status or completed conversion 115 xak; 9 AKVs. Almost all xap will be allocated to the attack of which I have 62.

I am going to start staging units at Pearl Harbor and or Canada/Alaska now but the divisions will be running around for a little while more in India and Noumea. In China the 1st & 2nd Tank Divisions will continue their assault up the western road for a while yet...they are quite formed divisions. The Guards Tank is also there and will be heading for the west coast, too.

Each division will be allocated their own transport task force which will combine xak and xap and be dedicated to shipping that particular division now (along with escort vessels).

In a lot of ways moving the divisions will be the easiest, while moving all the support units will be more difficult. Each fighter squadron Identified will have an AKV for transport.




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RE: Manila Falls - 12/7/2015 10:16:19 PM   
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I generally build the A6M3a the entire game. Range/performance for the IJN ... you just have to have that +12 hex strike range sometimes.


I was, but got burned on it a few times even with acceptable pilots, so stopped.


Ok, I think I am willing to sacrifice a little escort range for better fighter performance.



The A6M5 does OK, and some of the Jack/George models can go out to 10 or 11 hexes. Once you get to the Frances, your torpedo planes don't outrange your fighters so much anyway. It requires a shift in posture a bit, but at least in my game I haven't been able to get good 20-hex strikes off with Nells. Or 15-hexes with A6M3a for escorts...

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/8/2015 12:56:09 AM   
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BUT, 15 hex attacks with 2E against ports ... that is completely different. I've been able to get those off quite successfully with both Nettie and Frances and A6M3a works. Losses? Heck yeah. 20 - 40% of the strike package. But we're talking 43/44. If I can take out some AKA/APA/DD/CL/CA, I gladly trade a couple hundred pilots and aircraft. After mid-42 I can replace pilots and aircraft with relative ease. Without escort though, either the raid doesn't fly, or it won't penetrate. For the cost of 50 - 100 fighters, I can make the allies pay for coming too close without the Deathstar in proximity.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/8/2015 2:00:46 AM   
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I have never been able to get any 2E bomber to attack any 'hard' naval TF. I know others do it, and it is possible. But I have never gotten the roll yet. I don't even try any more.

BUT, 15 hex attacks with 2E against ports ... that is completely different. I've been able to get those off quite successfully with both Nettie and Frances and A6M3a works. Losses? Heck yeah. 20 - 40% of the strike package. But we're talking 43/44. If I can take out some AKA/APA/DD/CL/CA, I gladly trade a couple hundred pilots and aircraft. After mid-42 I can replace pilots and aircraft with relative ease. Without escort though, either the raid doesn't fly, or it won't penetrate. For the cost of 50 - 100 fighters, I can make the allies pay for coming too close without the Deathstar in proximity.


I don't consider a couple hundred aircraft for a handful of ships worth it .

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/8/2015 6:19:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here we are in India...Jocke did not attack with his 40,000 troops and neither did I.

Better recon shows we have a parity of men, as I have 40K there too, but I do have 2000 guns a decided advantage over the Commonwealth.

Jocke sweeps and does well against my fighters protecting the base not surprising since I elected to LRCAP only. My bombers hit the troops to the south, two out of three units move north and join the Commonwealth group.

Forts are now at level 2.

I have two divisions plus tanks and AA heading west in an attempt to close off Jocke's spearhead.

One of the difficult aspects of this mod is understanding the improved AA. I would love to close Calcutta, but the losses to flak are simply prohibitive and so disrupt the aim of the bombers...this gives the Allies a huge advantage that I am not sure on how to counter.

I realize the more effective AA will be a boon to me, but somehow I doubt I can stack enough of it in one hex to make bombing runs ineffective. We shall see.






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RE: Manila Falls - 12/8/2015 6:40:09 PM   
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RE: Manila Falls - 12/8/2015 11:40:16 PM   
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Excellent news that you weren't attacked and forts are now level two, everything helps. The only thing I would worry about is the Allied occupied hex where your two divisions and armour will arrive. You'll have to attack to clear the hex, and that could give Jocke time to withdraw from the base and catch your two divisions in the clear with no forts and possibly rout them.


That is a concern, especially with the great roads.

I took a risk and flew in two squadrons of fighters, both flying very low CAP, Oscars at 3K and Zeroes at 10K. If I can get his P38s to fight down low I win or if his bombers come first...plus I use an 80/20 ratio CAP/Rest so to put up a spirited defense against the first wave and be worn out very quickly. I will rely upon the AA present to protect the troops.

Looking forward to the Noumea offensive...The KB is heading back to Rabaul and is under a generous amount of land base naval search which makes me feel much better. I have a nice trap in the planning in the Bay of Bengal.

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RE: Manila Falls - 12/9/2015 4:35:36 PM   
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Better recon puts the Allied horde at over 78,000 men; 1000 guns and afvs. Oh my! Actually, I thought it was almost that large.

During the day, the P40s' come screaming in at 20K. This time, this day, our CAP is low, so low the soldiers can read the tail markings. A Sentai of Oscars are patrolling, doing figure eights at 4K. This is the new model, the IIa. Faster, not as nimble, but oh so sweet for July. The high CAP, (high), is the venerable A6M2 doing loops at the astonishingly high altitude of 10,000 feet. Where oh, where are the Tojo IIa's you may ask?

The answer, is classified. Well, there is only one Sentai of them. At least in this theater. Another is in the Pacific Northwest.

Two sentai, that is all. No radar. The warning is only 4 minutes, but the squadrons are at an incredibly high rate of readiness, 80 percent while 20 percent are stood down.

The P40's dive, but my goodness, we are nimble. So very nimble.

Later during the day, after two sweeps, the Blenheims come in. Transporting supplies, hm.... what does that tell you, and the Oscars and Zeroes are still there. Still there.

And as twilight approaches, neither side attacks. No deliberate attack. No bombardment attack. The 8th Tank Regiment rumbles across the bridge, expecting battle, ready to rush into the lines. A firegroup. But they are not needed today.

Tomorrow, however, who knows? But the forts get a little deeper, a little stronger. The 17th Independent Guards Regiment will arrive tomorrow....5000 veterans well equipped and supplied. Will the attack come then?

Meanwhile, the IJA is content to play in the air. An attritional fight that we have been waiting for. Will the Allies continue to play? The artillery is content at digging in, awaiting a devastating counter battery fire.

I suspect the Hurricanes will show up tomorrow, along with what else?




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RE: Manila Falls - 12/9/2015 4:44:50 PM   
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20,000 Allied troops are at Prince Rupert. They get bombarded by battleships every now and again.






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