TOtH vs SL

Matrix Games Forums

Forums Register Login Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ

My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums Log Out

TOtH vs SL

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Tigers on the Hunt >> TOtH vs SL

Page: [1]

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

TOtH vs SL - 1/15/2016 1:39:27 AM

Gurthang

Posts: 2
Joined: 1/15/2016
Status: offline

Hi, what is the time scale of the game? Is the parallelism with Squad Leader (a game I was never too fond of) limited to the graphics and the general feeling, or does the game attempt to clone it at least at a certain extent? Help appreciated!

Post #: 1

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/15/2016 1:51:58 AM

Peter Fisla

Posts: 2503
Joined: 10/5/2001
From: Canada
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gurthang

Hi, what is the time scale of the game? Is the parallelism with Squad Leader (a game I was never too fond of) limited to the graphics and the general feeling, or does the game attempt to clone it at least at a certain extent? Help appreciated!

Tigers on the Hunt was inspired by ASL (not SL), the scale information from the manual:

"Map scale is 40m per hex, time scale is about 2 minutes per turn and unit scale is 1 counter represents Squad/Half-Squad/Crew/Leader, single gun or a single AFV (Armoured Fighting Vehicle)."

(in reply to Gurthang)

Post #: 2

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/15/2016 10:01:59 AM

Gurthang

Posts: 2
Joined: 1/15/2016
Status: offline

Where can I download the manual?

(in reply to Peter Fisla)

Post #: 3

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/15/2016 10:37:33 AM

zakblood

Posts: 22687
Joined: 10/4/2012
Status: offline

as far as i'm aware there isn't a manual out atm, Peter Fisla has a copy as he's made it

(in reply to Gurthang)

Post #: 4

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 6:26:31 AM

aaatoysandmore

Posts: 2848
Joined: 9/11/2013
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Peter Fisla

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gurthang

Hi, what is the time scale of the game? Is the parallelism with Squad Leader (a game I was never too fond of) limited to the graphics and the general feeling, or does the game attempt to clone it at least at a certain extent? Help appreciated!

Tigers on the Hunt was inspired by ASL (not SL), the scale information from the manual:

"Map scale is 40m per hex, time scale is about 2 minutes per turn and unit scale is 1 counter represents Squad/Half-Squad/Crew/Leader, single gun or a single AFV (Armoured Fighting Vehicle)."

Wasn't ASL inspired by Squad Leader?

I mean it is "advanced" Squad Leader in the title.

(in reply to Peter Fisla)

Post #: 5

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 7:03:56 AM

Paullus

Posts: 1058
Joined: 6/9/2015
From: Sweden
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

]

Wasn't ASL inspired by Squad Leader?
I mean it is "advanced" Squad Leader in the title.

Yes it was. With the release of the expansions "Cross of Iron", Crescendo of Doom" and " GI Anvil of Victory" the rules had changed that much it needed to be reworked. So SL is the base for ASL.

(in reply to aaatoysandmore)

Post #: 6

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 2:56:51 PM

Richie61

Posts: 584
Joined: 3/2/2009
From: Massachusetts
Status: offline

Squad Leader and Cross of Iron were the best of the series. John Hill the designer of the system quit after Cross of Iron because of were the series was going. The series went to hell after John left.

ASL was basically a totally new game. I bought Squad Leader, Cross of Iron, Crescendo of Doom and GI: Anvil of Victory the moment they hit the local game store. So then we had
four separate rulebooks and with htis contradictory or poorly integrated rules of a game. Then ASL comes out and you have a game (Squad Leader & it's modules) that are useless.
The maps were the only thing that carried over! Take this example. GI: Anvil of Victory had 1568 counters and none of them could be used in ASL

Squad Leader and Cross of Iron were a great game set and were well written. After that the series became complex and required reading and reviewing rule books and slowed down play

_____________________________

To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Sun Tzu

(in reply to Paullus)

Post #: 7

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 5:42:51 PM

pzgndr

Posts: 3170
Joined: 3/18/2004
From: Maryland
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61
Squad Leader and Cross of Iron were a great game set and were well written. After that the series became complex and required reading and reviewing rule books and slowed down play

Agreed. I enjoyed SL and refused to get into ASL. So, back to the original question. Aside from the map and counters we see in the screenshots, what are we getting here - a computer adaptation of the complicated ASL game mechanics or the less-complicated SL game mechanics or something else? Really curious if this game will bring back those old SL memories or be just another frustrating exercise in tactical micro-management.

(in reply to Richie61)

Post #: 8

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 6:19:16 PM

Gerry4321

Posts: 874
Joined: 3/24/2003
Status: offline

Game is based on ASL.
My understanding is there is no more tactical micro-management in ASL versus SL; just that the rules in ASL are so complex that you need to be a lawyer to read the rulebook. This game will isolate us from that. But we will still move each unit a hex at a time, etc.

(in reply to pzgndr)

Post #: 9

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 7:04:43 PM

Richie61

Posts: 584
Joined: 3/2/2009
From: Massachusetts
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: pzgndr

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61
Squad Leader and Cross of Iron were a great game set and were well written. After that the series became complex and required reading and reviewing rule books and slowed down play

Agreed. I enjoyed SL and refused to get into ASL. So, back to the original question. Aside from the map and counters we see in the screenshots, what are we getting here - a computer adaptation of the complicated ASL game mechanics or the less-complicated SL game mechanics or something else? Really curious if this game will bring back those old SL memories or be just another frustrating exercise in tactical micro-management.

Tough for me to compare SL to ASL rules/ play, since I never played any of all the ASL boxes sitting under my desk

I do know that Peter was inspired by ASL to make TotH. While beta testing TotH I was transported back to 1977 and
my feeling of playing Squad Leader

The manual is small and easy to pickup on to play. All the rules/ calculations are built into the game, so you
just play. Click on a unit, pick the LMG and click the hex to shoot at. If you don't have LOS (game shows LOS) it will tell you that you don't have LOS to shot that hex. Depending on the phase it may ask you about ROF. If you can't do something, the game will tell you.

Does it have every rule of ASL? Again I didn't play ASL and I don't feel I can answer that question.

Do I like the game? Hell yeah I do

_____________________________

To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Sun Tzu

(in reply to pzgndr)

Post #: 10

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 7:33:53 PM

Ratzki

Posts: 581
Joined: 8/18/2008
From: Chilliwack, British Columbia
Status: offline

I agree, the game feels very SL like. It took me a few games to get mind mind back into the groove of not trying to kill the enemy by firing at it. This is a game of suppression and move.

(in reply to Richie61)

Post #: 11

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 9:11:56 PM

Richie61

Posts: 584
Joined: 3/2/2009
From: Massachusetts
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ratzki
This is a game of suppression and move.

This! Well said! This was what any squad based game is.

_____________________________

To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Sun Tzu

(in reply to Ratzki)

Post #: 12

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/16/2016 9:31:08 PM

pzgndr

Posts: 3170
Joined: 3/18/2004
From: Maryland
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ratzki
I agree, the game feels very SL like. It took me a few games to get mind mind back into the groove of not trying to kill the enemy by firing at it. This is a game of suppression and move.

Well OK then!

(in reply to Ratzki)

Post #: 13

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/17/2016 1:08:41 AM

giffin

Posts: 188
Joined: 3/24/2015
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61

quote:

ORIGINAL: pzgndr

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61
Squad Leader and Cross of Iron were a great game set and were well written. After that the series became complex and required reading and reviewing rule books and slowed down play

Agreed. I enjoyed SL and refused to get into ASL. So, back to the original question. Aside from the map and counters we see in the screenshots, what are we getting here - a computer adaptation of the complicated ASL game mechanics or the less-complicated SL game mechanics or something else? Really curious if this game will bring back those old SL memories or be just another frustrating exercise in tactical micro-management.

Tough for me to compare SL to ASL rules/ play, since I never played any of all the ASL boxes sitting under my desk

I do know that Peter was inspired by ASL to make TotH. While beta testing TotH I was transported back to 1977 and
my feeling of playing Squad Leader

The manual is small and easy to pickup on to play. All the rules/ calculations are built into the game, so you
just play. Click on a unit, pick the LMG and click the hex to shoot at. If you don't have LOS (game shows LOS) it will tell you that you don't have LOS to shot that hex. Depending on the phase it may ask you about ROF. If you can't do something, the game will tell you.

Does it have every rule of ASL? Again I didn't play ASL and I don't feel I can answer that question.

Do I like the game? Hell yeah I do

Glad you really like this Game Richie! I have not found a WWII PC Squad based game I like better than "Heroes Of Stalingrad" from Mark Walker yet. I am still playing this game to get my ASL fix.

(in reply to Richie61)

Post #: 14

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/17/2016 1:50:50 AM

Richie61

Posts: 584
Joined: 3/2/2009
From: Massachusetts
Status: offline

quote:

Glad you really like this Game Richie! I have not found a WWII PC Squad based game I like better than "Heroes Of Stalingrad" from Mark Walker yet. I am still playing this game to get my ASL fix

Did you ever play Squad Battles Red Victory?

I was a beta tester for HoS. Ok game. Great port of a board game, but lacks realistic feel as a squad game.

< Message edited by Richie61 -- 1/17/2016 2:53:16 AM >

_____________________________

To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Sun Tzu

(in reply to giffin)

Post #: 15

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/18/2016 5:41:55 PM

giffin

Posts: 188
Joined: 3/24/2015
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61

quote:

Glad you really like this Game Richie! I have not found a WWII PC Squad based game I like better than "Heroes Of Stalingrad" from Mark Walker yet. I am still playing this game to get my ASL fix

Did you ever play Squad Battles Red Victory?

I was a beta tester for HoS. Ok game. Great port of a board game, but lacks realistic feel as a squad game.

I have most all of the Squad Battle games except "Red Victory".

I was a beta tester for HOS also and still play the game regularly. Love the clean crisp maps and counters are all top notch!

(in reply to Richie61)

Post #: 16

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/18/2016 6:56:25 PM

Richie61

Posts: 584
Joined: 3/2/2009
From: Massachusetts
Status: offline

quote:

I have most all of the Squad Battle games except "Red Victory".

Red Victory is the best SB title bar none. 90 scenarios and LOTS of mods

_____________________________

To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Sun Tzu

(in reply to giffin)

Post #: 17

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/19/2016 1:19:44 AM

giffin

Posts: 188
Joined: 3/24/2015
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61

quote:

I have most all of the Squad Battle games except "Red Victory".

Red Victory is the best SB title bar none. 90 scenarios and LOTS of mods

How is Red Victory different from Advance Of the Reich & Eagles Strike Squad Battles?

Good looking counters you made!

(in reply to Richie61)

Post #: 18

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/19/2016 1:50:43 AM

Richie61

Posts: 584
Joined: 3/2/2009
From: Massachusetts
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Punisher007
How is Red Victory different from Advance Of the Reich & Eagles Strike Squad Battles?

Good looking counters you made!

Red Victory (1943-1945) picks up after AotR and has an updated UI (key board commands), more toys in the form of weapons, units etc.Plus the scenarios were all done by Oz. They play great as solo or PBEM and are all well done. I started with Red Victory and now have all the SB titles, but after RV the older titles lack good scenarios. I love
Eagles Strike and AotR, but there are lots of screwy scoring and designed scenarios IMO.

I love RV, but there is more than enough room for TotH. Even room for HoS and Panzer Commander OST

_____________________________

To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Sun Tzu

(in reply to giffin)

Post #: 19

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/19/2016 2:27:33 AM

giffin

Posts: 188
Joined: 3/24/2015
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61

quote:

ORIGINAL: Punisher007
How is Red Victory different from Advance Of the Reich & Eagles Strike Squad Battles?

Good looking counters you made!

Red Victory (1943-1945) picks up after AotR and has an updated UI (key board commands), more toys in the form of weapons, units etc.Plus the scenarios were all done by Oz. They play great as solo or PBEM and are all well done. I started with Red Victory and now have all the SB titles, but after RV the older titles lack good scenarios. I love
Eagles Strike and AotR, but there are lots of screwy scoring and designed scenarios IMO.

I love RV, but there is more than enough room for TotH. Even room for HoS and Panzer Commander OST

quote:

Squad Battle games except "Red Victory

I dont know how I missed JT Panzer Battles . The infantry & vehicles graphics look Amazing!. Maybe we can port something like that into a MOD for TotH

(in reply to Richie61)

Post #: 20

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/19/2016 2:40:20 AM

trey18

Posts: 4
Joined: 11/23/2007
Status: offline

Where can the top down mod for Red Victory be downloaded? Looks awesome!

(in reply to Gurthang)

Post #: 21

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/19/2016 10:31:48 AM

Richie61

Posts: 584
Joined: 3/2/2009
From: Massachusetts
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Larz08

Where can the top down mod for Red Victory be downloaded? Looks awesome!

I haven't finished them yet, but RV, AotR and ES top down mod WIP's are here.
http://www.theblitz.org/message_boards/showthread.php?tid=68730&page=7

I started using JG top down iamges and ended up building a bunch of my own missing images.

_____________________________

To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Sun Tzu

(in reply to trey18)

Post #: 22

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/19/2016 12:44:15 PM

trey18

Posts: 4
Joined: 11/23/2007
Status: offline

Thanks...looking forward to the finished product!

(in reply to Gurthang)

Post #: 23

RE: TOtH vs SL - 1/19/2016 2:37:24 PM

giffin

Posts: 188
Joined: 3/24/2015
Status: offline

Wow those MODs look amazing! You sure spent some time on those and cant wait to use them!