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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/23/2016 8:44:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Usually when a base is bombarded it is to destroy/deny the runway. Sometimes it is to pre-invade; damage ships in port; or hurt the ground forces there. My guess, not knowing what lvl the air field is, that the Allies were being thorough and wanted to degrade the runway or catch planes on the ground there.

If you can figure out his motus operandi, then you can use that against him. Inside his OODA loop so to speak.


Yes, his MO always seems to be to plan in enormous detail and arrive in strength, with multiple task forces primed for different purposes: ASW, air defence, surface combat. Last time he attacked Tabiteuea I managed to catch him on the hop and Long Lance torpedoes sank two pre-war battleships that seemed to be arriving to bombard the base prior to the main landings. Apbarog always seems to learn from his mistakes so I doubt that I will be able to pull this trick off again so easily.


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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/23/2016 9:11:03 AM   
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Unprovoked Allied aggressions against the Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere take a step up today.

Subs vs escorts, cowboys vs aliens

Japanese subs are heavily engaged both near Horn Island/Merauke and in the Marshall Islands. Unfortunately the Allied escorts are too vigilant and powerful, so we spend most of the turn trying to skulk on the bottom while depth charges rain down. WTH is this new Mousetrap device that they have invented?

SS I-175 actually manages to fire off 4 torps in the direction of CA Chicago near Arorae, but is then blasted by 8 hits and is sunk.

SS I-165 takes 7 hits near Merauke from a force including BB North Carolina but is not too badly damaged and should make port. In other contacts, my cowboy submarine skippers content themselves with firing torpedoes rather uselessly at destroyer escorts rather than the targets they are protecting.

Here is a typical demonstration of the potent Allied Sub chasers in action:
quote:

ASW attack near Merauke at 88,125

Japanese Ships
SS RO-62, hits 17

Allied Ships
SC-635
SC-738
SC-707

SS RO-62 is sighted by escort
SC-738 attacking submerged sub ....
SC-707 attacking submerged sub ....
SC-738 attacking submerged sub ....
SS RO-62 eludes SC-738 by hugging bottom
SC-707 fails to find sub and abandons search
SC-738 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-738 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-738 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


Amazingly, RO-62 escapes with 44 sys/34 float damage and heads out of the danger zone.

War in the air

Allied naval CAP takes a toll on my search planes - no less than 4 sub-based Glens are shot down, plus 1 Irving and 1 Babs.

Allied fighters sweep Lae for the first time. I have enough CAP up but come off slightly worse as the base is only defended by Oscar Ics and A6M2s. I am trying to upgrade the Oscars but the IIb still has low pool numbers. I rotate in a Tojo unit in case the attack is repeated.

Merauke and Port Moresby are bombed.

Horn Island/Merauke

Horn fell yesterday but mopping up operations continue with Kure 2nd SNLF still holding on the tip of the island.

The big news is that the Allies also invade Merauke. It is lightly held and will likely fall tomorrow. Question is, has Apbarog prepared to invade more bases, or will he look to consolidate these gains first? If he moves further west, I will likely counter-attack.





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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/23/2016 9:22:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Allied ships move more cautiously in the Gilberts, perhaps remembering the sunken hulks of the battleships Colorado and California resting on the seabed near Tabiteuea. The map tells the story. I have cruisers and destroyers at Makin, heavy Zero CAP at Tarawa and Makin, and a strong carrier force heading in from Ponape. I will move more land-based torpedo bombers to Tarawa if the conditions dictate. With luck I might be able to ruin Allied plans here. But this could just be an elaborate feint of course to keep me away from things going on further to the west.




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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/23/2016 12:25:25 PM   
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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/24/2016 1:30:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

On one hand you want to slow the Allies down, on the other hand, you can't replace your cruisers and destroyers. So be careful!


I agree, so it was with a degree of trepidation that I planned the next day's moves. Here is how it panned out...

Feb 16, 1943

Merauke captured

The expected outcome; what is interesting however is the amount of force that Apbarog brought to the party: two whole infantry divisions (the 32nd Infantry Division and 18th British Divisions) plus ancillary forces. Not much I could have done about that even if I had built the base up and reinforced it some more.

Meanwhile, the remaining defenders of Horn Island are shock attacked and the unit destroyed. In a nice touch the Kure boys are bombed first by Wirraways. I must remember to tease Apbarog about squandering his 'next generation' bombers in this way.

SS I-122 takes 16 hits from SCs near Merauke, is crippled and will likely sink before making port. I may just have to pull my subs out of these shallow waters altogether.

Sub attack near Manokwari as xAK Teisen Maru takes a torpedo hit and will sink later. Elements of an air force base unit onboard are lost, although some troops are rescued.

B-17 and B-24 raids cause minor damage at Katherine and Hollandia.

More Allied aircraft - 25 x P-40E Warhawks sweep Munda and slightly get the better of the CAP from Shortlands although both sides take losses.


Air combat in the Gilbert Islands

Better news is reported further east by our forces in the Gilbert Islands.

A crack A6M2 unit sweeps Nauru Island from Makin splashing at least 7 F4F-3s for no loss.

Meanwhile the Allied carriers have moved north to attack Makin and are now perilously close to my own air combat TF, which ended the turn about 9 hexes away.

First, Allied carrier-based F4F-4s sweep Makin but lose about 6 planes to the same crack Zero unit and a squadron of Rufes on the base. Allied planes then attack a small transport convoy in the port, sinking xAKL Nanko Maru, but losing more fighters and at least 6 SBDs, with others damaged.

Although Allied losses are not high, what I like about this action is that the Allied carrier planes have been bloodied by land-based air before my carriers, with fresh pilots and planes, arrive tomorrow. As Apbarog has what appears to be the bulk of his fleet carriers at Merauke, I decide to move my carriers adjacent to Tarawa, which has been reinforced with LBA torpedo bombers and fighters, so that my carrier air and LBA can mutually support if there is an air battle tomorrow. I fully expect Apbarog to retreat however as his search has spotted my carriers and he will be outnumbered if you count my LBA.

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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/24/2016 2:13:49 PM   
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I was pretty excited when I got the turn back last night but February 17 was a pretty quiet day in the Pacific, considering what might have gone down.

Gilbert Islands

My carriers arrive at Tarawa and naval search shows that all Allied shipping has departed, not just the carriers, but the stack that was hovering south of Tabiteuea as well. There are a couple of AMs at the dot base of Arorae further south but that's all. Have I just scotched an invasion, or was it all an elaborate feint? I'm pretty sure that Apbarog was tooled up to take Tabiteuea, even Tarawa perhaps, if I did not react as I did. The question is, can I keep carriers over this side while the DEI is starting to look threatened further west?

Buna

Given the Allied preoccupation with the west coast of Papua New Guinea, I decided it was high time to reinforce Buna and ran a fast transport convoy in overnight. It was still unloading in the daytime and, fortuitously, although the Allies had some torpedo bombers ready on high alert, no escorts were set, a nice little bonus!

quote:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Buna at 99,129

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 15
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 5

Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 4 destroyed

Morning Air attack on TF, near Buna at 99,129

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4

Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 21

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 11 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze
APD Nadakaze
APD Aoi
APD Fuji

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Albacore I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
7 x Albacore I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo


B-25s also bomb Terapo on the west coast of Papua for the first time while B-17s return to bomb Katherine. Munda is swept once again and I lose two planes for one P-40.

The current position of the Allied carriers, quite far out into the Arafura Sea, is interesting to say the least. Either they are positioned here to interdict any counter-attacks towards Merauke early, or they are preparing to support further operations towards Darwin or the DEI islands to the north.




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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/24/2016 8:35:09 PM   
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A bitter blow

Once in a while something happens in this game that shakes you up pretty badly - and one of those moments occurred today as I watched SS Pompano evade all of my escorts to pump four torpedoes into Akagi, sinking the carrier after a fatal ammo storage explosion. I could cuss about how my own subs have signally failed to get past the Allied ASW on the numerous occasions that they have been in the same hex as Allied carriers, but that would be sour grapes. So, we will need to rethink things a little...


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Sub attack near Ocean Island at 131,127

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Kirishima
BB Haruna
CA Furutaka
CS Nisshin
DD Asagumo
DD Naganami
DD Ushio
DD Yugiri
DD Asagiri
DD Shirakumo

Allied Ships
SS Pompano

Ammo storage explosion on CV Akagi
SS Pompano launches 6 torpedoes at CV Akagi
DD Ushio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yugiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shirakumo fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Ushio attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yugiri fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Asagiri fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Ushio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Ushio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Ushio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Ushio fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub



In other news today...

The Allies continue their break out into the Timor Sea and invade Wessel Island off the coast of Australia; I have a small air support unit based there but the base is not built up. B-24Ds bomb Taberfane at long range. I expect there may be troops headed that way soon in landing craft...

The Allied carriers and their supporting task forces are now sitting north of Taberfane, not far from Ambon where I have a carrier force present. Having just lost Akagi, I'm a bit more reticient about giving battle, but I'm moving more LBA in to the area in case an opportunity to counter-attack is presented.




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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/25/2016 1:54:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Terrible news on the Akagi! That sub sure struck gold in that attack.

I can understand your reluctance now to commit major forces in the Timor Sea area, but on the other hand you have to start hitting back sometime and I wonder when or where that will be?

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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/25/2016 3:27:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf

Terrible news on the Akagi! That sub sure struck gold in that attack.

I can understand your reluctance now to commit major forces in the Timor Sea area, but on the other hand you have to start hitting back sometime and I wonder when or where that will be?


That's the basic Japanese conundrum, jwolf. I do have major forces committed in the Timor Sea area but the risk has to be weighed carefully before I will attack. The Allies will keep producing more carriers, cruisers and destroyers in large numbers so, to an extent, their ships are expendable while Japan's are not. Think of the KB as a one-shot weapon; once it's gone it can't be reloaded.

At the moment Apbarog has kind of put his head in a large sack, which still has Port Moresby/Buna/Lae and Darwin/Koepang/Ambon as potential drawstrings at either end. He will need to defend his new gains by taking and developing more of the surrounding bases before he can withdraw his carriers out of the bag. I will attack everywhere I can to keep up the pressure but the response still has to be a measured one as its only Feb '43 and the war has a long way to go...

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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/25/2016 3:38:39 PM   
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Allied amphibious assaults at Taberfane and Dobo. Wessel Island falls to a deliberate attack. The Allied carriers have now withdrawn to the east of Taberfane to support the landings there. My own forces are holding position close to Ambon. I have evacuated the closest ports such as Koepang in case of attack.

With the Allied carriers safely further west I see an opportunity to bomb Horn Island and exacerbate the already heavy airfield damage. No.880 Sqn FAA with Sea Hurricane Ibs is on CAP and we shoot down 7 but lose 6 Betties and 3 Zeroes, the sweeps arriving after the bombers and their escort. Airfield damage is increased at least.

Nauru Island is bombed by Nells and Kates from Tarawa, and two ACMs in port are set on fire.



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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 1/30/2016 11:53:28 AM   
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Taberfane and the Arafura Sea

The past few days have seen a continued focus on Allied landings at bases around Taberfane and the Arafura Sea. Taberfane and Dobo have fallen, providing an Allied presence uncomfortably close to Ambon and Boela etc which could threaten further breakouts towards Sorong and Kendari. Alternatively, Apbarog could head south and west towards Darwin or Koepang.

The plan at the moment is to prevent these bases being built up and if possible to retake them before they are garrisoned in more than regimental size. At present the Allied supply lines are quite long and sizeable reinforcements will still need to be shipped in from Oz until the airfields are built up.

Together with surface ships, I have now brought decent air assets in to Kendari, Ambon and Boela and the counter-attack will start imminently. Ground units are also being prepped to attack in certain locations. The Allied carriers disappeared from view on Feb 22, although I expect they are still in range to LRCAP Taberfane and Dobo, where ships are still unloading. Naval search has also detected a potential Allied landing at a dot base on the west coast of New Guinea (see map).




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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 2/1/2016 9:27:29 AM   
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Gilberts

No sign of Allied shipping apart from the PT boats and ACMs guarding Nauru and Ocean Islands. I swept Nauru the previous day but when Japanese Netties, strongly escorted by Zeroes, attack the port on Feb 23, a new unit of P-40Ks have moved in and the results make depressing reading:
quote:

Morning Air attack on Nauru Island , at 127,128

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
G3M2 Nell x 22

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
ACM Heath, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
ACM Pine, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1



DEI

On Feb 23, Japanese army bombers flying from Ambon hit Taberfane for the first time finding no CAP and pound the size 1 airfield quite nicely. Bombardment TFs move into position and the tactical situation receives a nice boost as the Allied carriers are sighted heading towards Horn Island, almost out of range for a quick reaction strike.

Feb 24 proves to be a massive anti-climax. With air HQs recently installed at Ambon and Sorong, masses of torpedo-armed Netties are on naval attack setting, but the Allied shipping has evaporated and no strikes launch. The Allied carriers are now spotted heading down the east coast of Australia so Apbarog has clearly abandoned his landing forces to manage as best they can temporarily without air cover.

Several Allied subs attack my surface ships in various places but, mercifully, all the torpedoes are wasted.

So the attack settings are recalibrated on Feb 25 and this time modest successes are achieved:
Strike 1
quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Taberfane at 82,117

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Ashigara
CA Haguro
DD Mochizuki
DD Kisaragi
DD Wakaba
DD Nenohi
DD Suzukaze

Allied ground losses:
278 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 15
Runway hits 47
Port hits 41
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 10


Strike 2
quote:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 84,119

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 27
G4M1 Betty x 13

Allied Ships
TK Aletta, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
TK Petronella, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
AM Cowra, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp


Later on, Vals flying from Boela sink the AMc Uki near Dobo, and a separate unit dive bombs what turns out to be 17th Australian Brigade, newly landed at Timoeka, the dot base on the western side of New Guinea. To wrap up, Betties hit the airbase at Taberfane again as the damage mounts up.

Sub war

quote:

Submarine attack near Mataram at 61,108

Japanese Ships
CM Sarushima, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SC Ch 12
CM Hirashima
CM Natsushima
CM Tsubame
E W-22

Allied Ships
SS Greenling, hits 7, heavy damage

SS Greenling launches 4 torpedoes at CM Sarushima
Greenling diving deep ....
E W-22 attacking submerged sub ....
SS Greenling forced to surface!
E W-22 firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves


Happy to trade a 1 pt CM for an Allied sub with working torpedoes any day..

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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 2/6/2016 10:04:37 AM   
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A few days of manoeuvrings around the eastern DEI and Solomons produce few inconclusive results for either side.

Suppressing Taberfane and Dobo

Round the clock bombing of both bases continues.
On Feb 26, a bombardment TF spearheaded by Kongo hit Dobo. Although a success, the overall mission was tarnished when DD Sagiri collided with CA Mikuma and, after being slowed by heavy damage, was torpedoed and sunk by an Allied sub the following day.
I'll post a map of the situation below but, essentially, the Allies have landed a regiment at each base, plus supporting troops. The plan is to prevent airfields being built and to take retake both bases as soon as possible, assuming that Apbarog is not able to reinforce in the meantime.

It appears that OS2U-3 Kingfishers are now based at Dobo as a squadron attacks my cruisers on Feb 3 but fortunately nothing is hit. The cruisers will now attempt to intercept some Allied CMs that have been spotted south of Timoeka where the 17th Australian Brigade landed earlier.





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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 2/6/2016 10:18:07 AM   
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I have been using transport subs to resupply my forward bases and sadly a B-18A Bolo attacked and sank SS I-178, a converted Type KD6A class SST with a 500 lb bomb at Choiseul Bay on Feb 27. I have a lot of army bombers on ASW patrol but although adept at spotting, they do not seem to be sinking anything yet - despite fairly high ASW skill ratings...

A while ago I had spotted an Allied unit heading north towards Buna from Milne Bay. Rather than bombing it and risking the 97-odd fighters on CAP at the Allied base, I swept with Tojos and discovered that it was the 2/9th Armoured Regiment, approaching Oro Bay which is defended by 86th Naval Guard unit. I don't know if the unit will hold in jungle terrain but I've flow in some engineers to build up the forts. I guess Apbarog figured it would be useful to take Oro Bay as it is adjacent to Buna, which I will be reinforcing now that I can see the potential direction of travel.


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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 2/6/2016 10:52:55 AM   
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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 2/6/2016 4:36:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great maps and annotations. Seems like a really exciting and fluid period. Good luck as you fight on, although I admit I am an Allied fan!

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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 2/6/2016 8:27:27 PM   
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I wouldn't mind trying the Allies sometime but I have my hands full right now with two PBEMs as Japan for my sins

Mar 2, 1943

Arafura Sea/Dutch New Guinea

An Allied TF trying to slip the blockade and run supplies to the isolated Aussie unit at Timoeka is intercepted...
quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Timoeka at 86,116, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
CA Ashigara
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa
DD Suzukaze
DD Nenohi
DD Wakaba
DD Kisaragi
DD Mochizuki

Allied Ships
PC Perseus, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
xAK Chickasaw City, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 17% moonlight: 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 9,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 9,000 yards
Ichimiya, Yoshiyuki crosses the 'T'
CA Kinugasa engages PC Perseus at 9,000 yards
CA Aoba engages PC Perseus at 9,000 yards
PC Perseus sunk by CA Haguro at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages xAK Chickasaw City at 6,000 yards
CA Aoba engages xAK Chickasaw City at 6,000 yards
xAK Chickasaw City sunk by DD Kisaragi at 6,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...


Later on, the Kingfishers from Dobo try to attack my destroyers near Boela but this time are intercepted by Zeroes and eight are shot down.

Minor successes, but I'll take them...

Divisions are loading in various locations to retake Taberfane and Dobo. Probably the only thing that could stop this operation at the moment is if a strong Allied carrier force turns up again in the Arafura Sea suddenly. Or if Apbarog attacks in some other critical location in the meantime. My carriers can't be everywhere at once.

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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 2/7/2016 6:07:09 PM   
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Quiet day, mostly:

- Vals try to bomb a couple of TM patrol craft at Dobo but miss.

- Sallies hit the following units resident at Taberfane: 8th USN Special Construction Battalion ... 147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment ... 53rd Aus Lt AA Regiment but cause few casualties in the jungle terrain.

- B-25C Mitchells and B-26B Marauders hit Port Moresby airfield which had just been repaired.

- I have moved fighters back to Buna, which was lying abandoned by my airpower for several months. This is to protect my fast transports as they ferry more troops in from Lae. So far the enemy does not seem to have spotted these reinforcement TFs making the short hop, but it could get interesting any time now!

Today's recon spotlight is on Townsville, where a monstrous AP armada seems to have gathered; almost too many to carry the troops reported at the base itself...





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Papua New Guinea

Successive waves of B-17s attack Buna but find Tojos and the 'new' Oscar II-bs on CAP. At least 6 bombers are reported shot down for the loss of one Oscar and a Dinah on the ground and airfield damage is slight. Luckily the bombers weren't combined with sweeping fighters, or the story might have been a bit different.

APDs continue to ferry reinforcements from Lae to Buna, unmolested despite the massive Allied airbase at Milne Bay a few hexes away...

Submarine war

After a quiet spell, a sudden flurry of activity on March 6:
- PB Tsuneshima Maru is torpedoed and sunk near Saipan by SS Wahoo.
- TK Batopaha Maru is torpedoed and sunk near Kavieng by SS Haddock.
- xAK Hokutai Maru, torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage near Babeldaob, courtesy of SS Swordfish. Annoying as Hokutai is carrying reinforcements to Lae and will now have to try and limp to Babeldaob. A TF has left port at full speed to rendezvous in case the ship sinks so that survivors can be picked up.
- Sub vs Sub: SS I-27 attacking SS O24 near Taberfane. Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage.

DEI

Invasion TFs and their covering units converge on Dobo and Taberfane. No intel of any Allied surface assets in the vicinity as yet and there are no built-up airbases that can interfere greatly. I just hope I brought enough to carry the assault.




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The assault on Taberfane

Multiple ASW contacts on the 7th as the armada makes its run in to Taberfane but fortunately no torpedoes hit the ships.

Landings take place on the 8th, preceded by naval and air bombardments, and quite a few disruptions are felt getting ashore. The troops were 35-40% prepped, which was the most I could afford.

The one snafu was that, rather than risking my carriers in close support in these sub-infested waters, I decided to use land-based LRCAP from Boela and it failed to fly, which allowed two sqns of Beaufighters from Merauke I guess to perform low level attacks on my transports unmolested. The characteristically feeble IJN flak shot one attacker down but the rest enjoyed a bit of a turkey shoot on my transports, with the result that I have three xAPs on fire and two of them will probably sink tomorrow. I have now deployed extra LBA units for tomorrow and will have to grin and bear it.

The Allied bombardment attack triggered shows the forces lined up:

quote:

Ground combat at Taberfane (82,117)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2502 troops, 48 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 79

Defending force 9141 troops, 115 guns, 114 vehicles, Assault Value = 319

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
53rd Aus Lt AA Regiment
8th USN Special Construction Battalion

Defending units:
48th Division
16th Engr Rgt /1
16th Army
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment


In today's other developments, B-17s and fighter sweeps are launched against Cox's Bazar in Burma in a shameless diversionary attack, and an Allied cruiser/destroyer TF bombards Port Moresby but achieves light damage while failing to run into any of the mines I have seeded there...

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Taberfane recaptured!

During the night phase, USS Growler launches 4 torpedoes at CA Atago but misses -that's 4 fewer silverfish to threaten my TFs for now. Meanwhile 458 troops are rescued as Takatiho Maru, a 17-vp xAP strafed by Beaufighters yesterday, sinks in Taberfane harbour.

The ground combat result when it comes is fairly satisfying...
quote:

Ground combat at Taberfane (82,117)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 9128 troops, 141 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 397

Defending force 3496 troops, 83 guns, 30 vehicles, Assault Value = 77

Japanese adjusted assault: 379

Allied adjusted defense: 5

Japanese assault odds: 75 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Taberfane !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
654 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1742 casualties reported
Squads: 41 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 72 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 63 (54 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (23 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating towards Dobo.

Assaulting units:
48th Division
16th Engineer Regiment
16th Army
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
53rd Aus Lt AA Regiment
8th USN Special Construction Battalion


Dobo should be recaptured in a matter of days leaving the Allied remnants to wither in the jungle. The job now is to repair the airfield quickly and put up proper CAP. Allied transports have been spotted loading at Townsville so Imperial forces have been instructed to remain vigilant on all fronts.

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Nice seeing the Oscar IIb fighting. Armor helps alot.

What is the armada at Townsville up to you think?


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RE: Great Tides that Ebb and Flow: Apbarog (A) vs Walke... - 2/11/2016 7:04:23 PM   
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Good job at Taberfane! +1

Nice seeing the Oscar IIb fighting. Armor helps alot.

What is the armada at Townsville up to you think?


Thanks!

At Townsville today I am seeing two 10-ship convoys with xAPs and APDs, plus various supporting TFs. Apbarog has generally been happy to chip away at the periphery of my defence cordon. Taberfane was an uncharacteristically aggressive move which put those units landed in a noose, effectively. I think to expand this and break out properly he needs to take Darwin, maybe Port Moresby and Buna. All of these bases are defended in divisional size but all are takeable if he brings enough strength. An Allied armoured unit is creeping up the coast towards Buna already, and Milne Bay is built up nicely now so I know what I would do in his position. Of course, he may have other plans entirely.

Another observation is that the Aussie base at Gove, SE of Darwin is now size 1 and already appears to have 14,000 troops in residence which will also increase Allied options in this theatre.

However there is no sign of Allied carriers yet. Once I see them I will know which way Apbarog is headed as he always likes to bring a lot of friends to the party.


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Congrats on the counter-invasion. But now I wonder if there will be a counter-counter-invasion, and where will it all end?


Thanks! There could well be a counter-invasion but I will be sure to leave a decent garrison this time. If Apbarog had seriously wanted to hold Taberfane I would have expected him to keep his carriers around longer until the airfields were built up, so I'm not sure what the game was. Perhaps he didn't expect that I could react so quickly, or could it even be a feint to draw my forces in - and away from some other important target? I guess I may find out sooner rather than later.


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Taberfane and Dobo

Allied subs continue to take potshots at my TFs without hitting anything as the Dobo invasion force lands on the afternoon of the 10th. Quite a few disablements getting ashore, and the bulk of my troops land on the 11th.

quote:

Ground combat at Dobo

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3340 troops, 48 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 102

Defending force 7758 troops, 53 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 291

Assaulting units:
24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
VII US Fighter Cmnd - seems plans were afoot to turn Dobo into a key base
25th USN Special Construction Battalion

Defending units:
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
8th Div /6 The 8th division was bought out from Korea and IIRC was 35% prep'd for this landing.


The Beaufighters, now based at Gove it appears, try to repeat their success against my shipping on the 11th flying but I have CAP in place and most are shot down...

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dobo at 83,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
A6M3a Zero x 4
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 2

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 4 destroyed (9 according to the air losses intel screen)

Japanese Ships
AK Sasako Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Beaufighter VIc bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 plane(s) with no ordnance


I am keeping surface assets close by in case Apbarog decides to run any SCTFs up from Merauke to intervene with my landings but, hopefully, both bases will be secured and fully functioning in a matter of days.

Air war over Papua

On March 10, the Allies launch a massive bombing effort against Buna, with diversionary attacks at Port Moresby. Wave after wave of B-17s and B-24s wear down my fighters which respond from Lae as well as Buna but plenty of bombers are lost too. Some unescorted B-26s are also shot down over Port Moresby. The final Allied wave comprises 22 x P-40K Warhawks, by which time I have hardly any fighters in the air. What is interesting is that intel shows 150+ fighters at Milne Bay so I wonder why Apbarog didn't use more in support of the bombers.

On March 11 the fighters sweep Lae and the new F4U-1 Corsair is deployed for the first time, along with P-38s. No doubt this show of force was intended to crush the tired Japanese pilots but in fact the US pilots are held to a draw, partly because the sweeps arrive in smaller packets and can be dealt with piecemeal. It's gratifying to see 10 - 12 Corsairs reported downed in their first action against my crack army and navy pilots.

Here are the losses reported over the past two days:

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First table shows losses on Mar 10, followed by Mar 11




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ORIGINAL: jwolf

Congrats on the counter-invasion. But now I wonder if there will be a counter-counter-invasion, and where will it all end?



Well if this is an axis of advance eventually the Allies will have to retake these bases .. the key is the delay,
and more so the expenditure of resources to reestablish these bases ...

As an AFB .. I do not like the DEI axis as a main thrust for various reasons, although it makes a good side show.
Reason #1 is the games mechanics as far as how air units operate. Interlocking bases with fighter aircraft plays
into the IJ's strengths while isolating an atoll from multiple Allied bases plays into leveraging game mechanics
into the Allies favor. Pick a weak spot that cannot be supported -- don't stick your head into the lion's mouth

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

As an AFB .. I do not like the DEI axis as a main thrust for various reasons, although it makes a good side show.
Reason #1 is the games mechanics as far as how air units operate. Interlocking bases with fighter aircraft plays
into the IJ's strengths while isolating an atoll from multiple Allied bases plays into leveraging game mechanics
into the Allies favor. Pick a weak spot that cannot be supported -- don't stick your head into the lion's mouth



Well, a big Allied operation is now on, seemingly, and - judging by the position of the naval TFs - Apbarog is planning on invading Papua New Guinea further, rather than heading back into the DEI for now. I'll post a map at the end.


Mar 12, 1943

In the early hours on the morning of March 12, Japanese sub commanders report big movements south of Milne Bay. SS I-31 spots a TF which includes the BB Prince of Wales. SS I-18
then gets sightings of some LSTs being escorted. Both subs are spotted by escorts and have to dive deep.

SS I-18 spots an opportunity and launches 6 torpedoes at DD Gwin escorting BB Royal Sovereign but misses and takes a hit. Soon afterwards, I-18 is sighted again and dives. Meanwhile, still south of Milne Bay, SS I-31 is sighted by destroyers escorting BB Washington and takes just 3 hits by diving deep.

Further west, an ASW attack near Timoeka as SS I-19 takes 9 hits from a TF comprising DD Fletcher, DD Radford, DD O'Bannon.

The Fletcher TF then attacks near Dobo, getting the better of two of my escorts but missing my transports fortunately.
quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Dobo at 83,116, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 1
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Fletcher
DD Nicholas
DD O'Bannon, Shell hits 1
DD Radford


The Allies have the benefit of radar of course...
quote:

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 35% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 23,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards


The Fletchers then go on to locate and sink the ASW pickets PB Yahonui Maru, and SC Ch 26, but mercifully fail to locate the unloading transports again.

Next up, an inconclusive showdown with my main covering force...
quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Dobo at 83,116, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko
DD Hatsukaze
DD Shiranui
DD Shinonome
DD Isonami, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Uranami

Allied Ships
DD Fletcher, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Nicholas
DD O'Bannon
DD Radford

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 35% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Conolly, Richard L. crosses the 'T'
etc.


The Fletchers are last seen withdrawing near Timoeka where they still best one of my subs despite Fletcher herself being heavily damaged.

quote:

ASW attack near Timoeka at 85,119

Japanese Ships
SS I-16, hits 7

Allied Ships
DD Fletcher, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD O'Bannon

SS I-16 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Fletcher


Back over near Milne Bay, my subs are getting DC'd all over the place without managing to achieve anything - other than observe that a lot of Allied ships are sailing right over them. Both I-18 and I-31 take multiple hits and will try to limp back to base tomorrow.

Not a lot going on in the air today. A single unit of P-38s sweep Lae - probably because they were not stood down after yesterday's sweep; and some land-based SBDs hit Woodlark island, causing no reported casualties.

Here's the current position. Tomorrow could be interesting...





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DEI

A DA at Dobo drops the forts to 1 while the unloading continues. Fighters are now operational at Taberfane.


Solomons / Papua NG

P-40s sweep Munda and do better than the Zeroes on CAP, shooting down 4 for 1. However, the main air combat takes place over Fergusson Island where my Netties decide to attack a couple of DDs, and it comes off badly given the heavy Allied CAP assembled over Milne Bay.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fergusson Island at 102,132

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
G3M3 Nell x 9
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 18

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 10
Spitfire Vc Trop x 10
Kittyhawk IA x 7
P-38G Lightning x 14
P-40K Warhawk x 11
F4U-1 Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
G3M3 Nell: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 4 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD DeHaven
DD Chevalier
DD Taylor

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
6 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet


The Netties attack a second time and 60-odd fighters and bombers are lost in total from both actions for a measly tally of 1 or 2 P-40s. Did I ever moan before that sometimes I hate the vagaries of Naval Attack setting? I had set the bombers so that they could defend Buna but wouldn't be in range of Milne Bay, but they might as well have been given the result. Shame there is no "do not attack small TFs comprising only DDs right next to large enemy bases" setting

The Allied carriers split themselves up: some steam closer to Port Moresby and dive bomb the base, finding no ranged CAP over it. Another bad decision as I could have probably splashed a few despite their fighter escort.

The remainder of the Allied carriers, plus an indeterminate number of transports, remain at Milne Bay. With my mangled Netties now stood down for the rest of the day, we will have to see what tomorrow brings...


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