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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/9/2016 11:52:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		John3 seems to like the Aleutians very much. I almost had KB take out 2 CVs and CVL, but weather saved me. He is now using at least one heavy SC TF there and a few divisions have dug in. For future planning, you need to decide how aggressive you are going to be in '43 and beyond in taking it back. For me, I have the 24 & 25 ID from Pearl rebuilt to operate here. I just want him to be tied down here.

Western Australia - I've lost this area twice now. I think I need to put it down as another place that john likes to capture. Don't die out there as once Kalgoorlie is lost, those troops will find it difficult to make it across the desert safely. Make sure Port Augusta is secure as he may try to go there to stop troop moving north and west. He may look for an undefended base in NE Australia to land and then send a division or two south.

Para - he will use them aggressively. I defend India with those small battalions from Burma at some dot bases to prevent easy capture. Mostly inland from Viza and those between Dimapur and Calcutta. If he comes for India, he will want easy access to inland bases.

Good luck Herbie!!

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/9/2016 1:49:42 PM   
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those troops will find it difficult to make it across the desert safely.


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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/11/2016 7:12:43 AM   
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Cruisers Kinugasa, Aoba and a crap load of destroyers bombard Noumea.

The Japanese 2nd Division lands at Cox Bizaar.......a division intel had going
some where totally different.
Perth Falls. The 4th division storming the place. They landed with the Imperial Guards,
and 2nd tank. Both of these units have been spotted moving east, and North, target probably
Albany

Allied command wonders, whats left at Busselton then?



Paras take Cunderlin, a rail town east of perth.



There is also, some other interesting items in the intel report...........

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/11/2016 7:20:45 AM   
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"It's the French Ambassador sir"

John cannot help but smile. That did not take long, did it?
Reality has a habit of smashing dreams.

The Ambassador is tall, pale, and obviously has not slept much over the last night.
"Monsieur, in light of the events of last night........."

"You welcome the help of the Allied armies?"

The Ambassador hesitates. So hard to be so wrong, and so helpless.....

"Tell the Governor of Noumea that we will come when we can"

John turns away. For four long months you idiots have denied us, denied that field, that harbour,
forced us to build elsewhere.
Now, now we don't need you. In fact, we are praying that Japan commits a division or
two to you.........


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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/11/2016 7:36:25 AM   
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Deep under Admiralty house, there is one.
In a discreet building, (but one soon to grow) in Hawaii, there is one

In Calcutta, another

Colombo, another.

Radio intel cells. Dedicated cells of men who labour to decipher the streams
of Japanese radio intercepts.

They all have access to different equipment, even different methods.
Different doctrines.. But right now, they all are doing the one
same thing

Counting Japanese Divisions.

All But 2 are located, the 16th, the 21st. The 21st smashed badly in the phillipines, the 16th
probably still there.

2 divisions have consistently been reported aimed at India.
Today both are now identified at Rabual, or in Australia.
2 others this week also aimed towards India, have turned up elsewhere..

Is there a possibility of an invasion of India still?
Yes, of course there is.
But allied Command is looking hard at what is now defending India, and if it can be better used.


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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/11/2016 7:46:51 AM   
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The first train arrives Kalgoorlie just before midnight.

General Blamey is the very first man to step down from it.

A mile away, 16 6inch guns continue to crash in regular rhythm at the dwindling
Japanese Paras.
The Commander 1st Australian Army steps forward, salutes.

"Its good to see you sir......."
"The Jap army?"
"Still 120 miles away.......he's trying for an end run around us though"

Blamey smiles........"Lets get to work shall we?"

The train seems to explode, as literally a thousand men begin to disgorge from it.
A thousand strong men, angry men

Soon joined by the rattle and clank of tanks.

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/11/2016 11:56:05 AM   
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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/14/2016 5:45:19 AM   
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4 days have passed.
They have been good, not so good, and disastrous.

Dutch harbour has fallen, a regiment lost

Kalgoorlie has been reinforced, the Japanese Paras destroyed .
The troops there now dig, dig, and dig.
The airfield is back up and running, 75th squadron however remains temporarily out
of the fight, evacuated east, they have only just returned.
Instead the Wirriways are doing the one thing they can do well, ground attack, close support.

There are Japanese troops running all over the west corner of Australia, some headed north,
a tank regiment dashing towards Kalgoorlie, and further units trying to cut the rail
many miles east of there.

They may be in for a bit of a surprise..............

Port Moresby is being bombed, it fights hard in the air, but the field is rapidly accumulating damage.

CL Trenton probes the Indian ocean, brushes up against some Japanese destroyers, and retires un hurt
This, however, has been a critical mission. Trenton has spotted numerous Kates on search,
numerous ones.

Deep in the middle of the ocean, we now believe KB lurks...........

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/14/2016 5:56:28 AM   
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From
CINPAC
to
Combined Chiefs

Re, operation Roundswing.
Forces for this offensive are now combat loaded.
I continue to have severe doubts about this operation, although I can
see the logic of hitting the Japanese while he is busy elsewhere.

However, even since combat loading began, things have changed.
1.
A large convoy landed at Lunga, and undoubtedly large numbers of troops landed,
the chances of quickly seizing the airfield may have passed.
2.
Enemy carrier activity. There is now at least one CVL or CVE operating north PNG.
Even one CVE could wreck havoc.
3.
The Japanese are gathering troops, (33rd div) at Rabual. These may be aimed at Australian east coast.
Landing at Lunga may not divert this effort.

With the reinforcements coming across the pacific, I suggest we either
A/ cancel this attack (but continue with grab of Nendendi)
B/ Send troops immediately to Sydney
or
C/ Disembark at Suva again, await reinforcements, and send them on to Australia, allowing
further preparation time and forces to be gathered for Lunga operation

I await your comments

Nimitz



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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/14/2016 6:00:12 AM   
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From
Winston
to
Prime Minister Ford

Your 1st Corp is loading.
plans to send them directly considered now too risky, they will go via Cape
I am giving you our only major Armoured unit available as well

Every vessel available will be used to see these troops through.
This will, no doubt, be the most important convoy of the war

Yours,
Winston.



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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/15/2016 6:27:33 AM   
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Blamey takes the signal, barely glances at it.
He is too damn busy at this moment to give it more than acknowledgement.
A Japanese tank regiment is charging down the rail line straight at him.
Another trying to get way, way behind him

And 5th Division has finally been spotted, just 20 miles out of Busselton, with the
main Japanese forces seemingly everywhere else.

His plan, a grab for Lunga, has been cancelled.
But the troops allotted for it, already loaded for it, already at sea, have been
diverted.
The Yanks are coming, at last.

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/15/2016 6:32:54 AM   
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Prime Minister Ford sits still upon his bed, staring at the wall.
An hour ago, the news he has been praying to hear.
The Yanks are coming.

Fifteen minutes ago, other news

His wife is having an affair.


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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/15/2016 6:35:28 AM   
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CL Trenton, racing North, is caught mid ocean by Heavy Cruisers Ashigara, Nachi, 2 destroyers.

She is sunk.

There is no doubt then, that KB lurks in the mid Indian ocean.

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/15/2016 6:48:56 AM   
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John Ford guides Napier carefully out of Bombay.
It is not an easy passage, the sea mist is thick on the horizon, the Harbour marks
hard to see.
Some things however, have gotten easier.
A purely Commonwealth Task force.
Common signals, common doctrines and procedures.
Heavy cruiser Australia, nicely patched up, Perth, Hobart, the two Kiwis.
All the N class destroyers.

And some where behind in the mist, the R class lumbering along.

It is no secret the Japanese are waiting for them.
Good. There has been enough one sided fights in this war.
John looks about him at the ships beginning to shake themselves into formation.
Lets see the barsteds take on this lot..........

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/15/2016 7:03:35 AM   
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Lt Jackson knocks quietly on Admiral Halsey's door.
"Enter"
"Ships status report sir.........all ships ready to sail"

The Admiral takes the report, looks it over
"What do you think Jackson?"
"Sir?"
"About the op?"

Jackson hesitates. A tough question. A tougher answer. Admirals do not, usually, ask for
Lieutenants opinions.
"Its a real risk sir, Enterprise, 2 Brit carriers verses maybe the whole KB, its......"
"Its?"
"Its a pity that Sara and Lex are not still available."

The Admiral almost scowls. After all, it is he who sent them home.
"Jackson, this is the hottest potato I could ever be given, take the Aussies straight south, straight
to Australia, you know, if it costs us Enterprise, so be it........
Unspoken, of course, is the elephant in the corner.

What happens to the Aussies then?



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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/18/2016 8:59:20 AM   
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(a turn at last)

It is not a good day. The allies are still poking around the islands near Ndendi.
Today, 4 DMS investigate the bay.
They find no mines, no sign of troops ashore (not that they have time for
a good look)
Battleships Hyuga and Ise find them.

A painful loss, with a whole war still to be fought.

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/19/2016 4:12:54 AM   
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The day is nothing like Jack ford ever imagined a fighter pilots would be like.
It begins early, almost before dawn.
There are 30 odd Wirriways operating from this same strip. They depart first.
Then, its the charge down the strip, the climb to no more than 500 feet, a thousand
some times. Frantic getting the gear up, and then, then into the attack.

The Japanese 2nd tank regiment is spread across the desert no more than 10 miles from the end of the strip,
dozens of little black beetles, resolutely driving north east, determined, it seems,
to out flank Kalgoorlie.
They are damned difficult to hit.
The wirriways have literally dropped a hundred bombs on them, and missed a hundred times.

But from a hundred feet, 50 feet, damn well nearly 20 feet, the strafing Kittyhawks
are getting into the game.

Jack gets the gear up, banks, banks, picks his target......this little buggar has a flag.
Dives, weaves, the ground flashing underneath, the beetle growing, tracer hammering, the
bullets ploughing the desert, striking, flashing, the tank literally disintegrating
under the blows, the guns hissing empty, hauling back, zooming up, breathing again, and joining the cue
to land again.

Half an hour later, Jack takes to the air again, to do it all again, and again, and again.......


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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/19/2016 4:21:27 AM   
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from
General Blamey
to
Prime Minister

Sir, in light of situation here, have established a new 2nd Australian Army HQ, to work
under the new South West pacific Command. I am charging it with defence of
the East coast, specifically the Americans.
Eastern Command is moving to the defence of Port Moresby


We have given the Japs a problem to solve here. They have only today realised what they are against,
near Kalgoorlie, and east of it, and are managing to get two tank regiments into deep
you know what.
Albany fell to the Imperial guard today.
Western Army is nicely camped in his rear, plentifully supplied, I estimate it will take
at least 2 full divisions to tackle it, leaving only 2 for Kalgoorlie.

We have intel, 48th division to land at Port Kembla. I believe the Americans will be able to deal
with that!
The big question is, of course, is Winston really going to give us back 1st Corp, and,
how will it get here, via the cape?, or fought through?

The later fills me with the willies..........


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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/19/2016 4:28:22 AM   
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From
CINCPAC

TO
Operation Ndendi

Invasion cancelled
All forces allocated to return to Suva at max speed.

CARDIV 5 sighted by coast watchers Tulgia.



From
Commander Southwest Pacific
to
CINCPAC

This command now operational.

Send immediately reinforcements.

General MacArthur



Prime Minister Fords office

"What in the hell do you mean I don't have enough political influence to get rid of
that arrogant son of a bitch!"


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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/19/2016 1:44:34 PM   
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"What in the hell do you mean I don't have enough political influence to get rid of
that arrogant son of a bitch!"


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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/20/2016 6:48:04 AM   
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A man emerges from deep jungle, and moves cautiously down to the edge of the golden sand beach.
He is careful to remain in the shadows of the trees, and he quickly takes shelter
behind some rocks at the waters edge.
This is a great risk, to emerge from the shelter of the Jungle. As far as he knows, the Japanese
don't even know he is on this island, him and his radio carefully hidden 100 yards away
in a small cave.
But Tulgia is a small island, and there are at least 1000 japs on it now, it would not take long for them to
hunt him down.
If they see him.
But he has to take this risk. He needs to see, needs to confirm what ship is anchored out there.

He raises his glasses, scans the warship. He can see every detail, the men on her bridge, the planes on her
on her deck.

He only needs one look.
Satisfied, Coastwatcher Roberts slips back into the jungle.
The message sent is short, sharp.
It will ripple across the Pacific, and reach eventually even the Northern Indian Ocean.

CV Shokakua anchored Tulgia.



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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/20/2016 6:52:41 AM   
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75th squadron hammers at the 2nd tank regiment, destroying 9 more tanks today.
The Maltilda's have them cut off, tomorrow, they will tackle them.

1st Corp sails.

Months ago the British swung nearly all of their transports to the Pacific theatre.
Today, a great many of them also sail, bellies full of armour, planes, men.
The allied Command has decided.
There are 4 Japanese divisions in Australia.
None must be allowed to get home.

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/20/2016 1:11:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 1275psi

The allied Command has decided.
There are 4 Japanese divisions in Australia.
None must be allowed to get home.







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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/20/2016 3:03:57 PM   
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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/20/2016 4:01:36 PM   
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I just love following the AAR's of 1275psi.

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/20/2016 6:47:18 PM   
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As a none WitPAE player,I have no idea and I do not want to hijack this thread. Can Oz fall?

I just love following the AAR's of 1275psi.


Don't have a reply for you, but this must be the greatest compliment to 1275psi

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/20/2016 9:07:27 PM   
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As a none WitPAE player,I have no idea and I do not want to hijack this thread. Can Oz fall?

I just love following the AAR's of 1275psi.

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It is rare for Oz to fall but it has been done by a couple of players. Castor Troy said he had done it twice. I think John III may have done it once. Maybe Captain Cruft.
But all those were several years ago when the game was new enough that the Allied players did not believe that Oz was in danger and directed their troops elsewhere. Since then, every Allied player seems to be ready to direct troops to India or Oz depending where the main Japanese thrust is. In most games, northern and NW Oz are easily taken by the Japanese and the Allies are nearly unaffected - they just take the area back in late 1942 - mid 1943.

If Japan loses naval supremacy, Oz can be a tar-baby: their troops in Oz are trapped because shipping cannot get in to evacuate nor resupply them. Cap Mandrake and Sprior pulled off the prisoner-of-war-camp Oz a couple of years ago. Then they steamrolled through the DEI, Borneo and beyond because the IJA did not have enough troops to defend them.

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/21/2016 3:14:50 AM   
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April 17th

Bridge
CV Enterprise

Admiral Halsey stands alone on the wing of the bridge.
Some 6 or so feet, his staff stand behind him, and wait.

On his shoulders, and his alone, must the decision be made.
Do the first Corp, the tank regiment, the 3 extra British brigades, travel direct
south to Australia, or do they go via the Cape, then risk the long arctic circle route to Melbourne?


Lt Jackson stands amongst them, waiting as well.
He knows the facts as well as any of them.

Zuikaku, Shokakua, shoho, at Tulgia. 4 battleships in the solomons, the attack
against Port Moresby gaining momentum

Leaving 4 heavy, 3 or 4 light carriers un accounted for, but some definitely waiting near
Christmas island.

Our carrier, 2 brits, a third brit in 10 days.

Not enough, surely.

But to actually damage several, even while being sunk themselves???, if the convoy gets through,
a chance to kill a great, great many Japs.

Halsey turns away from the sweeping vista of the ships about them.

"There is some sort of decision about to be made at some place called Kalgoorlie, wherever that is.
If the Aussies prevail, all the better.. If not, well......
We are going to wait for the third Brit carrier, then its south, straight through for us.
I want to bend those yellow barsteds over, and give them one where the sun does not shine...."

he points towards Jackson "Fuel requirements to get us to Carnovan, northern Australia"

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/21/2016 3:25:28 AM   
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General Blamey


Enemy have started campaign against Port Moresby in earnest.
Bombarded by 2 Battleships last night, destroyer Dent lost, 2 jap DDs heavily damaged.
Airfield moderately damaged.

Supply situation still acceptable, moral good.
Awaiting reinforcements



From
General Blamey
to Prime Minister

A great deal later than expected, battle for Port Moresby has begun
It is imperative that the fighting remains concentrated on this point until such time s
the Americans arrive east coast.

General Mac should be ordered to Port Moresby immediately. If PM survives until arrival
of American reinforcements, then I will advocate to fight for the place...
EVEN AT THE COST OF WHATEVER IS SENT.

EVERY DAY that invasion of our east coast can be delayed, is a day closer to re claiming the west
You must be reconciled that troops PNG, may well be lost.
This will not be in vain, if an invasion can be delayed.

I hope you understand the reality of this.
4 divisions lost to Japan is too good a prize to pass up.

Yours
Blamey.

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RE: Letters from a Prime Minister - 2/21/2016 3:33:53 AM   
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The Jap tank regiments slip away from engagement for another day, one now 40 miles
north of Kalgoorlie, another way south east of it, just realising that it faces more than just scattered troops

75th do not fly today, they rest

From flying that is.
As the mechanics work on much, much needed maintenance of the birds, every man spare on
the squadron takes up a shovel, or a pick, and digs

Kalgoorlie is a mining town. Already laced with a thousand tunnels, thousands more waste
tailings, where every citizen scratches in the dirt for recreation (when not drinking), it
is not hard to fortify this place.

Japans Paras were meant to take this place by coup de main.
Now 2 divisions, 2 understrength regiments, 6 support units dig.
An entire Army Corp is steadily sinking into the earth, vanishing out of sight, and danger.

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