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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/2/2016 9:44:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zhenka

In addition, I think that then you can expand the map to the south and a little east.
Then you can create new great scenario - Battle of Leningrad.


I also thought about this

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/3/2016 7:06:42 AM   
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http://www.285sd.ru/images/stories/285sd/liniya-fronta-iyul-1942.jpg

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/5/2016 6:06:32 PM   
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Here is a more detail map of the Mannerheim line regiments.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/7/2016 9:05:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Guys, I think you need to do armored trains for Finnish Army also.
Finnish armored trains have participated in Winter War.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/9/2016 4:51:14 PM   
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perhaps you will be interested in this

Bebro did an excellent model of the Tu-2
http://slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=30004&start=540

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/10/2016 8:19:28 PM   
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Assault of the Mannerheim Line (260x180)


< Message edited by Karaganov -- 3/12/2016 7:48:48 PM >

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/12/2016 7:49:19 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/12/2016 7:50:12 PM   
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< Message edited by Karaganov -- 3/12/2016 7:56:08 PM >

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/12/2016 7:53:10 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/12/2016 7:54:00 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/12/2016 7:54:56 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/12/2016 8:54:21 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/14/2016 7:25:46 PM   
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Link: http://my-files.ru/nsv5iv

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/14/2016 7:34:00 PM   
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Impressive work! If you need the assembled Finnish battle cards let me know.


Thanks for the kind words
If you have good maps, then you can post these maps in the topic.
Of course it can help us.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 12:13:27 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 12:41:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see that it is great map! Fantastic!
But I think it would be good if you will expand map and if you add the following cities Volkhov, Novaya Ladoga, Narva, Kingisepp, Volosovo, Krasnogvardeisk, Siversky, Enso.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 5:53:33 PM   
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Please, do not torment me
I can not wait to play it

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 8:51:42 PM   
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I think you misunderstood me. I asked if you need the Finnish units. I have assembled the renders into cards and could send them if you need them.


Sorry, you are right. I was too lazy to read, and I used Google.

Do you have a complete list of finished units for Finland?
I am not sure but it seems that we are missing a few units:
finnish engineers
finnish bicycles (or cavalry)
staff car
coastal artillery system (naval gun)
heavy howitzer ( eg 152 mm French Howitzer Model 1915 or 152 mm French Howitzer Model 1917)

Also I think it would be good to implement battalions of volunteer from other countries (the Swedes, Estonians and others) in the Finnish army. But this does not necessarily.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 8:55:09 PM   
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I see that it is great map! Fantastic!
But I think it would be good if you will expand map and if you add the following cities Volkhov, Novaya Ladoga, Narva, Kingisepp, Volosovo, Krasnogvardeisk, Siversky, Enso.


When I will work on map for scenario Leningrad 1941, then I will expand map to the South and to the East. Now it is not actual.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 9:00:15 PM   
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It's cool guys!
Please, do not torment me
I can not wait to play it


I'm afraid that I will not have enough free time to do this scenario quickly. Also I do not like is strictly historical scenarios. But I think that H.Balck will be glad make a good historical scenario. I think I need a couple more weeks to finalize the this map.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 9:32:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Karaganov
Do you have a complete list of finished units for Finland?

I`ll send you a link.

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I am not sure but it seems that we are missing a few units:
finnish engineers
finnish bicycles (or cavalry)
staff car
coastal artillery system (naval gun)
heavy howitzer ( eg 152 mm French Howitzer Model 1915 or 152 mm French Howitzer Model 1917)


Currently we don`t have any of those.

Also, I would rather have both bicycle infantry and horse mounted cavalry. Based on your list and my own ideas I think we should aim for something like this:

Renault FT 17 - about 20 of them were still in use (did not see combat though) until February 1940
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/TANKS1.htm
20 ItK/30 and 20 ItK/38 (BSW, Gustloff) - 30 guns delivered just days before Winter War. Another 20 delivered covertly in early days of December 1939
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AA_GUNS1.htm
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/20ItK30_1.jpg
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/20ItK38_2.jpg
Italian made Pavesi tractor (for the 152mm guns)
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY6.htm

staff cars:
Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car

Aircraft:
Bristol Bulldog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Bulldog#Operational_history


Other heavy artillery to consider would be the following:

these three were used during the Winter War, but in very small numbers:
150 H/06 (150 mm howitzer model 1906) - 12 guns
150 H/14j (150 mm howitzer model 1914, Japanese) - 12 guns
152 H/10 (152 mm howitzer model 1910) - 8 guns used during the Winter War

These two were present in more significant numbers, but arrived after the Winter War:
155 H/15 (Canon de 155 C, mle 1915) - 24 howitzers bought from France during Winter War, but they arrived too late to see action in that war.
150 H/40 (15 cm sFH 18) - 48 howitzers bought from Germany late 1940 so not used during the Winter War

Source:
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY6.htm




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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 9:57:13 PM   
Karaganov

 

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Good list. I will be happy if H.Balck will make all of these units.

But Canon de 155 C did more 5000 shots fired in Winter War
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY6.htm
But it is not fundamentally, I think that would be enough of any heavy howitzer from your list.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/15/2016 10:08:47 PM   
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But Canon de 155 C did more 5000 shots fired in Winter War
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY6.htm

Ah, well, if we count the shots of these 12 guns than we get into the thousands. Ok, I`ll add this gun to the list. Should be easy to make since H.Balck already made it for the French.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/16/2016 9:18:05 AM   
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staff car - you should suggest something here



Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car


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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/17/2016 2:18:20 PM   
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Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car

If you have any links that show them in Finnish service it would be useful to have them so that H.Balck knows what to make exactly.

I`ve edited the list above to take out what has already been done and I added the Bristol Bulldog on the aircraft list. Even though only a dozen were operational, it was there since the start of the Winter War and for a big map like Karaganov`s, diversity is important.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/17/2016 4:21:22 PM   
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I`ll send you a link.


And what about us ? We want to please also have a link

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Sorry, for my bad school english...

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/18/2016 12:31:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: R35
I`ll send you a link.


And what about us ? We want to please also have a link



Yes, it is true! I also hope to get the link!

BTW
What is the situation with new soviet units?

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/18/2016 9:17:42 PM   
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Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car

If you have any links that show them in Finnish service it would be useful to have them so that H.Balck knows what to make exactly.



Winter War. Finnish cars and trucks.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=115369

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/20/2016 1:22:23 PM   
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Fiat 626 Radio Truck
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
Steyr 1500 Kfz. 17 Radio Car

If you have any links that show them in Finnish service it would be useful to have them so that H.Balck knows what to make exactly.



Captured Finnish Cars
Vidal G 1200 Tempo
http://trofmash.ru/gallery/tempo-g1200-6-seater-1936/

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 3/24/2016 9:36:00 PM   
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http://bogdanclub.info/showthread.php/5200-Автотранспорт?s=fac2ef02a2a25857fa2f379e30bde42d

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