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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:24:19 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:25:36 PM   
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Yes. The Polish SCS activate.


Good choice.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:28:47 PM   
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With throws of 6 and 7 there is no combat in the Baltic

Does anyone want to bring air support into the North Sea?

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:34:31 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:36:26 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:38:12 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:45:47 PM   
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With roles of 3 and 10 the Allies are more successful in the North Sea.

What sea box sections do the CW want to include? The aircraft are in 2 and the ships in 4.




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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:47:28 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:49:22 PM   
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Just the 4 box, please.
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And you have 6 surprise points. What is your choice?

Edit: I will choose to increase damage x1, and decrease own damage x 2, on behalf of the CW. This gives no loss to the CW but should still seal the fate of the Blucher.




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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 8:57:17 PM   
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I will choose to increase damage x1, and decrease own damage x 2, on behalf of the CW

Good call.

Although I thought that CW would get more surprise points.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:01:04 PM   
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I will choose to increase damage x1, and decrease own damage x 2, on behalf of the CW

Good call.

Although I thought that CW would get more surprise points.
warspite1

Well that was disappointing.....




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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:02:55 PM   
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I am, however, wondering why the German ships did not suffer from the surprise effects?!

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:03:13 PM   
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Okay what do peeps want to do?




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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:04:44 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:04:45 PM   
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Yes. It was.

I am, however, wondering why the German ships did not suffer from the surprise effects?!


Maybe Polish ships causes that. That ship was already in war with Germany.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:04:54 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:05:16 PM   
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Yes. It was.

I am, however, wondering why the German ships did not suffer from the surprise effects?!


Maybe Polish ships causes that. That ship was already in war with Germany.

The Polish ship was not included in the combat.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:05:49 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:05:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		But it was in the sea area when search rolls were made. Is it enough?

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:07:48 PM   
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Yes. It was.

I am, however, wondering why the German ships did not suffer from the surprise effects?!


Maybe Polish ships causes that. That ship was already in war with Germany.

The Polish ship was not included in the combat.
warspite1

CW, any aircraft support? Also, Axis where does Blucher want to go?


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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:09:14 PM   
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Kiel is good for damaged ship.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:09:18 PM   
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But it was in the sea area when search rolls were made. Is it enough?

No.

RAC: 15.1 Surprise effects
Naval units
If a port attack or a naval combat at sea only involves units controlled by major powers declaring war, and
the major powers they are declaring war on, the surprised units always get 0 surprise points. The attacking major
powers get the normal number (this will increase the number of net surprise points the attacker can spend, if there is
any combat).

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:10:02 PM   
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CW, any aircraft support?

No air support.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:13:59 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:18:49 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:21:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay so is the surprise situation right?




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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:23:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think someone need tell that us before we continue. This looks like a massacre, but if Polish ships should not effect to surprise points it goes wrong big time.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:26:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm wondering whether it comes down to this from RAC.

Major powers and minor countries are surprised when a major power declares war on them, even if they are already at war with someone else. However, they are not surprised by a major power or minor country they are currently at war with.

Possibly it's the inclusion of the Poles to initiate the combat that has done this.



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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:33:20 PM   
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I'm wondering whether it comes down to this from RAC.

Major powers and minor countries are surprised when a major power declares war on them, even if they are already at war with someone else. However, they are not surprised by a major power or minor country they are currently at war with.

Possibly it's the inclusion of the Poles to initiate the combat that has done this.



You may be correct that is the cause. But, if so, my reading of the rules classify that as a bug for the first combat.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 4/14/2016 9:36:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay I am going to leave it there tonight. The Blucher result being wrong (which it seems it was) was bad enough but this could be far worse and so we need to ensure the rules are correct.

Maybe one of the grogs can add their view overnight?

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