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RE: Manila Falls - 5/2/2016 5:51:54 PM   
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RE: Manila Falls - 5/2/2016 5:55:36 PM   
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RE: Manila Falls - 5/2/2016 5:58:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

We can't look at the moonlight when you crop the photo that much!





My bad.

It was in the first version of the map...




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RE: Manila Falls - 5/2/2016 6:11:18 PM   
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Japan is in excellent shape as she sets out to her grand adventure. My only question is: why leave a sizeable force at Chittagong and not use it to add further strength to the invasion? What was your thinking?


Some reasons I will keep to myself, but I will say that all of the Indian adventures were & are a distraction and misinformation.

I wanted to sell an invasion of India, and to do that I needed it to be big enough to worry Jocke. On the other hand, it had to be small enough for Jocke to really buy into a chance at an overland counter punch here and allocate forces to India/Burma. That is I wanted his ships, planes, and troops here.

I wanted Jocke looking at the opportunity in India...looking at the map, thinking if I had this American division here I could do this. Why, look at that, Japan is overextended, etc., etc., etc.

I also wanted to get a flavor of how Jocke moves his troops on the ground. His force compositions, his style.

I have drawn down the area from what it was two months ago, but not all of it was detailed in the AAR.

Time will tell if I made a mistake in not allocating 3 more divisions to the West Coast. I don't think so, especially with stacking limits, and I am comfortable with the forces allocated.

More on this when my plan is revealed.









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RE: Manila Falls - 5/2/2016 6:34:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is where I thought I would nail another big ship.

None of these excellent runways are built up. He could be flying float planes from them, but you need land based air to really get good anti-ASW in place.






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RE: Manila Falls - 5/2/2016 7:16:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Got the turn finished...and I am trying something different at Chittagong.

There might be some really good fireworks there tonight, or at Cox's or at Akyab.

I don't think I finished the turn in time for Jocke to flip another tonight, but we shall see.

I have 5-6 basically small task forces stopping one hex short of Chittagong with range set to 1, normal, normal routing, and home base Akyab. With so many task forces I can't LRCAP them, but rather have set the range of the CAP at Akyab to one short of Chittagong.

In addition I have one Nell, one Betty and one Val squadron all set to attack with very good escorts from three different bases.

My hope is the Allies run in and bombard Chittagong, hitting a mine along the way would be nice. After the bombardment, then comes a whole host of reactions hopefully draining the second half of the ships ops points limiting their retreat from the bombardments. In addition, hopefully the Japanese can really launch their torpedoes in the low moonlight environment.

The last two task forces have cruisers in them.

Then after many combats, the Allied ships only retreat a few hexes and the three aerial squadrons get a shot at attacking them.

Well, that is the plan, we shall see if the Allies play ball.



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RE: Manila Falls - 5/3/2016 5:16:28 PM   
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Poor Allies won't be happy, again. This is a great area to have Iboats, but I usually only move them in when there is low moonlight now, and the rest of the time move them away. It is easy for the Allies to get good aerial ASW up here.




Especially since he missed on a CL of Japan's.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/3/2016 5:18:52 PM   
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RE: Manila Falls - 5/3/2016 5:20:07 PM   
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Well, less now.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/3/2016 5:27:10 PM   
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Japanese artillery does well again.




All my multiple small ship task forces of between 2-6 ships are spotted but one at Akyab, most with a 10/10 DL.

Allied Carriers are hugging the coast near Cuttack judging by DLs on my subs in the area.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/3/2016 10:09:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Allied detection is too good now in Burma. Good DL's on Magwe and Mandalay...so I moved out the bombers & transports and restocked with fighters. Abandoned Akyab, at least temporarily for now of ships and planes. A little search there.

First squadron of Tonies are flying over Mandalay at 20K. They might give a rude surprise to sweepers although generally speaking I never had good luck with the 61-Ia (perhaps they will do better with the altitude restrictions). 200 Fighters and FBs at Magwe stacked from 10K to 20K. 1 Nate flying night CAP. 5-6 AA units there now, too.

Extra fighters training or protecting the coast line...will be able to swap them in and out if the Allies start a big Magwe campaign.

All ships back to Rangoon area or Ramree; except of course subs.

Egads, I have a lot of ships at sea right now!!! I wander if I have lit up the Allies sigint like a Christmas tree? Surely. There have been so many breeches of security on the website, especially in the Opp Wanted section...Jocke has to know the West Coast is coming doesn't he?

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 2:45:34 PM   
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Lots of Allied bombers here, in India! And that is a good thing!




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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 2:56:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I wasn't doing the West Coast operation, I would have crushed the British Navy by now. Jocke is very predictable and likes patterns of behavior.

He can be funneled by restricting naval search.

Good things to know.

Heavy volume of radio traffic at Sydney and Karachi.




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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 2:59:48 PM   
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Egads, I have a lot of ships at sea right now!!! I wander if I have lit up the Allies sigint like a Christmas tree? Surely. There have been so many breeches of security on the website, especially in the Opp Wanted section...Jocke has to know the West Coast is coming doesn't he?


I don't hang around the Ops Wanted section, so I haven't seen what you're talking about. But I hope there haven't been any OpSec violations. A big move like yours brings the most entertainment possible. We readers need to be awfully careful not to meddle accidentally be revealing things.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 3:04:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I returned for a second day here, but there simply is nothing left.

Recon always shows 1-2 repaired, even when they are rubbled it seems. Also it takes a day for the recon to catch up with the damage.






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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 3:05:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I returned for a second day here, but there simply is nothing left.

Recon always shows 2 repaired, even when they are rubbled it seems. Also it takes a day for the recon to catch up with the damage.







I can confirm you will not be able to reduce any of those to 0. It always seems to hang at 2 although they are phantom points.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 3:11:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some sobering information...those last two armored units are restricted white. Nasty, stuff what?

3-4 Division are in India. Hoping some more are in Oz and NZ.

United States Ground Forces on the West Coast

41-Dec: 6 Divisions, plus 4 division-equivalents of separate infantry, marine and cavalry regiments
42-Jan: 7 Divisions, plus 4 division-equivalents
42-Feb: 9 Divisions, plus 4 division-equivalents (an armor division arrives)
42-Mar: 9 Divisions, plus 4.33 division-equivalents
42-Apr: 10 Divisions, plus 5 division-equivalents
42-May: 11 Divisions, plus 6.67 division-equivalents
42-Jun: 11 Divisions, plus 6.67 division-equivalents
42-Jul: 11 Divisions, plus 7.33 division-equivalents
42-Aug: 13 Divisions, plus 7.33 division-equivalents
42-Sep: 13 Divisions, plus 7.33 division-equivalents
42-Oct: 15 Divisions, plus 7.33 division-equivalents (two more armor divisions arrive)



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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 3:47:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the last 20 days, my Frank A r&d factories have repaired 17 units. Some facilities are over 2/3rds repaired.

This huge investment in the Frank A, is my answer to the air reinforcements I will trigger with the West Coast Invasion.

In addition, I have come to the conclusion that the Frank A, followed closely by the Sam, are the two most important planes to r&d by far. By far. Especially true in a pdu off game.


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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 4:33:42 PM   
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Trying another sub trap in the Bay of Bengal. Concentrating my Iboats 6 hexes from Akyab, two hexes away from a 3 ship TF of AM's.

Goosed search in that hex, and set a squadron of Vals to naval strike range 6 with Oscar Escorts at Akyab. My hope is the subs can draw the AMs into range of the Vals.

Here is hoping for aggressive Allied ship Captains!

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 5:12:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

First week of Dec, 1942

Lots of Allied bombers here, in India! And that is a good thing!





At minimum, 10 groups.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 5:13:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wargmr


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I returned for a second day here, but there simply is nothing left.

Recon always shows 2 repaired, even when they are rubbled it seems. Also it takes a day for the recon to catch up with the damage.







I can confirm you will not be able to reduce any of those to 0. It always seems to hang at 2 although they are phantom points.


For me, you can get them down to "1". The 1 is a phantom - it seems to be an artifact of the code that is necessary for targeting or something. Just subtract 1 from the "repaired" total and that's what is actually there.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 5:34:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Wargamr and Lok! I have gotten some down to 1 I believe and the recon always shows 1 more than in reality.

CR: There have been several posts, usually by newer or low post count players, saying they want a historical match and not a silly west coast invasion and words like that. Nothing specific saying I am doing it, but then there was at least one reference to a current AAR and west coast invasion and how broken the game was. Not all in Opps Wanted, and the one mention was by somebody that posts occassionally but is often ignored.

I am hoping Jocke has a life and isn't as highly attuned to it as me!

Well, it will be entertaining no matter what!

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 6:20:36 PM   
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Well, I hope he doesn't pick up on anything. There's a fair chance that kinda stuff wouldn't clue him in, since he could take it as a reference to some other game that he isnt' following (and therefore assumes might involve West Coast shenanigans).

As to players who think the game is broken, what the heck? The fun is in the wildness turns the game can take. I underwent a pretty severe West Coast attack engineered by Panzerjaager Hortlund five years ago. It's was mindstretching and nerve wracking. He ended up backing down, but it's the most immense fun imagineable to play as the Allies against a radical and weird Japanese strategy.

So, best of luck to you (and to Jocke too, as I'm an equal opportunity follower of your fun match).

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 6:55:40 PM   
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One year of war.

Allied subs are going to be tough in a month.




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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 6:59:28 PM   
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Allies lose 10 bombers, here and at Chittagong. Japan loses less than a handful of fighters. A good trade. Oscars are simply not great anti-bomber planes.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 7:08:21 PM   
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Ha, ha! I guess I got Jocke to commit to the India campaign.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 7:39:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		In just thinking out loud, I suspect this is Jocke's big move to avoid auto victory in 1943. I haven't pushed for
AV, I think we are around 3.3 to 1...but I suspect he is in position for a huge amphibious invasion to trap the Indian/Burma Army...or at the least to capture Chittagong and hopefully snowball the troops down the dirt road to Cox.

In planning the game, I heeded Alfred's sage advice on the 1944 auto victory and have tried to position myself for that.

One reason I didn't want to push really hard for the 1943 AV, is that would force Jocke to be wildly aggressive to avoid AV, and I would much rather have his forces here than say invading the SRA.

Hmm., I have land based air to counter. There are 15 destroyers and 2 CA and 2 CL still here, plus the minelaying subs and in general lots of other subs. I could possibly bring back the battleships, but why? I am planning on losing Burma oil in 1943, and oil isn't as huge in this game as in others -- generous scen 2 fuel, and no supply from refining.

I don't think I will counter with the cruisers, but rather strictly destroyers. Especially with the moonlight approaching 0 percent.

There is a division at Cox, half a division at Akyab, and a division digging forts on the road east of Akyab (forts 3). Ramree is lightly held, just dropped off most of a base force, 1/3rd of RTA division and a construction unit.

So, his forces are 7 hexes from Akyab and points to the north.

I wonder what he will do?






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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 7:57:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

As to players who think the game is broken, what the heck? The fun is in the wildness turns the game can take. I underwent a pretty severe West Coast attack engineered by Panzerjaager Hortlund five years ago. It's was mindstretching and nerve wracking. He ended up backing down, but it's the most immense fun imagineable to play as the Allies against a radical and weird Japanese strategy.



This is a scenario 2 game...lots of goodies for Japan to experiment. But it is a game crikeys not a simulation. Supposed to be fun for both sides, right?

Massive operations at both ends of the map! I knew it.

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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 8:04:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		A decent attack here. I have 6 infantry divisions, some decent artillery and armor backed up here. They will make for Chungking once the road block is gone...assuming I have Chengtu by then.

I have no idea where these Chinese troops will retreat to? In which case, it will take many more attacks before they surrender I suspect.

For you AFBs....I think if you can setup positions like this you can prolong China's survival. I am not sure how you go about doing it, but there you have it.






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RE: Manila Falls - 5/4/2016 8:13:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the last 14 days I have thrown off 115,000 excess supplies. 230,000 a month. Perhaps close to 3,000,000 excess supply for a year...I don't think a lot of the supply is currently at risk. Olorin increased LI at games start...it was tough, but I should reap the rewards for the rest of the game.

I have no huge economic expansion plans on the chalkboard, at least until 3rd qtr 43 and that will be ramping up the end war fighters...the 46 fighters. Engines production is very strong...perhaps 300,000 more supply in 43 will be spent.

So, I have a chance of starting 1944 with over 7 million supply if I can play well.

Won't be easy, but it is doable. Plus, there is a chance if things go swimmingly, that I will be able to save much more in supply since the Chinese bombing campaign will wind down.

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