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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

You'll learn more about the game, the interface, and the report screens if you dig in and see if it's even possible to rebuild Dutch units. If so, how much? Where?

You'll probably get helpful answers below my post, but you should try it yourself and see how it goes. It's how you learn this monster.

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I'm not sure there's a cost for trying, as you won't use any resources that would be spent otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: rustysi

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I'm not sure there's a cost for trying, as you won't use any resources that would be spent otherwise.

You'll be spending PP's and from my experience there always seems to be more demand for these than is available.

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

Most of the North Oz bases can be converted to ABDA for low PP cost, then Dutch airgroups can transfer to them. Patrol planes can be supported by naval auxiliaries, but you'll also need to buy out some KNIL air-support LCUs to ABDA, in order to load them on to ships. There are some few minor Dutch base-forces dispersed around the DEI that can be re-combined into substantial air-support groups, just be sure that the sub-units' destinations will match together for the re-combine.

One can save a substantial portion of the Dutch airforce & air-support w/ this method, for < 500 PP cost. But it depends on one's commitment defending Darwin. I've had bulk success using this strategy against the IJ AI. In a PBEM game, it's a judgement call.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: jmalter

Most of the North Oz bases can be converted to ABDA for low PP cost, then Dutch airgroups can transfer to them. Patrol planes can be supported by naval auxiliaries, but you'll also need to buy out some KNIL air-support LCUs to ABDA, in order to load them on to ships. There are some few minor Dutch base-forces dispersed around the DEI that can be re-combined into substantial air-support groups, just be sure that the sub-units' destinations will match together for the re-combine.

One can save a substantial portion of the Dutch airforce & air-support w/ this method, for < 500 PP cost. But it depends on one's commitment defending Darwin. I've had bulk success using this strategy against the IJ AI. In a PBEM game, it's a judgement call.

To each his own, but your PP numbers are off. Darwin alone is 600 PP. The other north coast bases are 200-400 each. To get some outdated aircraft out and for what? To see the Japanese coming? You don't have anything there to stop landings, so what's the point?

600-1000 PP are precious in that era. A big chunk of a bought-out US Army ID. If one plays with paying PP to cross borders 1000 PP mean getting some Chinese out to Burma, or some Indian forces into Burma. Lots of other, better uses. The Dutch AF is a one-shot asset pretty much. No pilot backstopping either.

My comments are for PBEM. In my non-Ironman AI games the AI never tried to land in Oz, anywhere.

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ORIGINAL: Revthought


Don't some of these reform as RAF units anyway? I thought this was the case, which has largely informed my strategy with the RNAF. I treat them as disposable and disband them when I run out of supplied bases.

The only thing that strikes me as useful/worth saving from the DEI are the HQ units and the engineers for their support values--both naval and air--which are kind of hard to come by for the allies in 1942.

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

Also, Dutch air gets new fighters and bombers. Not a lot of them so you have to be careful about how you use them though....GP

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Revthought


Don't some of these reform as RAF units anyway? I thought this was the case, which has largely informed my strategy with the RNAF. I treat them as disposable and disband them when I run out of supplied bases.

The only thing that strikes me as useful/worth saving from the DEI are the HQ units and the engineers for their support values--both naval and air--which are kind of hard to come by for the allies in 1942.

About a dozen do, in dribs all the way to 1945. All over the place, from Canberra to Ceylon. Most of the airframes are junk. It's just a matter of scale. Too many Allied players have played the first year over and over. By 1943, and especially 1944/45, the Dutch anything don't amount to germs on the fleas on the dog. They're just irrelevant.

Early game PPs are not irrelevant, however.

The LCUs are a mixed bag of white and non-white restricted. Some of the yellow restricted are pretty cheap to buy out at circa 15 PP. But you then have to transport them. In my PBEM experience it's a poor Japan player that lets transport TFs operate deep in the DEI where a lot of the Dutch land forces begin, after the first two weeks, if not sooner. And the LCUs worth having, of course, aren't 15 PP. They're a significant hit to the old PP bank, and take multiple ships to lift out, plus the load time when the TF is exposed to the IJN. And even if you do get them out, the replacement pools are basically non-existent. They're one-shot assets.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: jmalter
Most of the North Oz bases can be converted to ABDA for low PP cost, then Dutch airgroups can transfer to them.

To each his own, but your PP numbers are off. Darwin alone is 600 PP. The other north coast bases are 200-400 each.
My comments are for PBEM. In my non-Ironman AI games the AI never tried to land in Oz, anywhere.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

Also, Dutch air gets new fighters and bombers. Not a lot of them so you have to be careful about how you use them though....GP

Not a lot is an understatement.