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ORIGINAL: vicberg

And I've answered the Automatic Attack question as well as the SEAD patrol launching everything. Under WRA, I can specify how much is launched.

However, I've done UI design for a long long time. The WRA page lists every weapon individually and there's 100 different weapons in this scenario, 4 options per weapon per target type (and up to 20+ target types per weapon). You've got to find a way to filter this down and allow for global changes. For this single mission, if I don't want a unit firing it's entire salvo, I've got to do thousands of clicks.

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ORIGINAL: vicberg

1) Patrols and Support should have the same escort options, since often I want to escort a SEAD Patrol or Early Warning Support. Yes I can put CAP in the same spot for Early Warning and make sure that they don't investigate other contacts, but I'd rather simply put planes on Escort for Patrols, etc., and call it good. For Patrols, this implies the ability to assign extra planes such that there always escorts in the air.

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2) CAP requires the same type of nautical radius that you allow for escorts of a strike. In other words, investigate up to X number of miles. Having to click on investigate and then unclick on investigate when they get too far away is a challenge in large scenarios. In addition, the CAP runs off to investigate and suddenly more CAP is back up, so I run out of CAP. For large scenarios, especially with many objects being tracked both friendly and not, it's a challenge to even find where your CAP ran off to to determine if they need to be brought back.

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3) I had SEAD patrol set up with investigate contacts set and they didn't go after a known SAM mobile. Is this WAD? CAP will run off at a moments notice, so I found this surprising. The SAM contact was hostile.

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4) I manually moved the SEAD Patrol, with a couple of Growlers (HARMS) and F-18s (Anti-Radiation) towards the known SAM battery and the patrol launched virtually EVERYTHING at 3 radars and a SAM Battery. I lost count of the # of missiles launched. I haven't found anything under patrol in terms of limiting what it launches. I've seen A2A missles launched one at a time, but this was surprising to see everything launched once it got into range.

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4) I tried an automatic attack from a DDG against an airbase and it launched all 72 cruise missiles! I was hoping it would be a bit smarter on automatic.

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My experience so far is that the game in some ways is very smart and enables me to simply put my assets in the right locations at the right time, so I feel like I'm in charge of an operation. Then the game gets not so smart and I'm having to get involved in manual control of many little aspects.

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

I would suggest staying away from large scenarios until you learn the game's basic mechanics like prosecution zones, missions, etc. Stick to smaller scenarios or tutorials.

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

My suggestion is because you obviously aren't really learning the game. Prosecution areas are a basic component of missions. Try learning a little. There are a ton of resources around. If you start small and learn the basics, you might get a little more credibility by showing your not just duffing around asking obvious questions.

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ORIGINAL: vicberg

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

My suggestion is because you obviously aren't really learning the game. Prosecution areas are a basic component of missions. Try learning a little. There are a ton of resources around. If you start small and learn the basics, you might get a little more credibility by showing your not just duffing around asking obvious questions.

The developers and this company want all dumb or obvious questions asked and answered in a open forum. They want people engaged in the game and not getting frustrated because they didn't find it in the manual. The answer "shut up and go read a manual" doesn't exactly promote this game, especially when someone can usually get a very quick answer from the forum rather than spending hours reading a manual, especially since Matrix search engine isn't the most robust.

Same goes for technology. I can find answers in seconds, the same answers for the same questions asked hundreds of times in which people are ALWAYS ready to answer. Or I can spend hours reading through programming manuals.

It's a good thing and shows it's a very good game, something I'd suggest to you that you don't try to squelch.

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

Can you please, please, please, please put a save game up. You are making it very, very hard to help you.

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

I suspect, you haven't set something in the ROE section. I highlighted where you might be screwed up.

From the Manual addendum:

• New patrol option: Prosecution Area. You can now define an exact area you want units to pursue contacts during a patrol. Units assigned to it will not pursue contacts outside the area. To use: add and select the necessary reference points, press the prosecution area button and add/remove reference points as you would with the patrol area function. If no prosecution area is added the mission works as it traditionally did in that there is no threshold.
Prosecution Areas (PAs) serve two purposes:
a) They act much like a forbidden zone in that contacts appearing within them are marked for interception, but they also restrict the extent at which interceptions will happen. So if you want your fighters to e.g. be triggered only by bandits within 200nm of a protected HVU instead of "waking up" to contacts thousands of miles away, PAs are the solution.
b) They act as a "leash" for assets on a patrol; they effectively determine the extent to which the patrol assets can give chase to receding targets. If the bandit moves out of the PA, the defender is forbidden to follow (though it can still engage with weapons if feasible). This solves the problem of patrol assets over-extending themselves during interception, quite often falling victims to feints/traps.
PAs are supported in the UI by modifications to the Mission Editor UI, and are populated by reference points in the same way as existing patrol areas. They are empty by default, and in this case the AI behavior is the same as before (intercept bandits far away etc.), to facilitate existing scenarios.
Units that are assigned to a patrol with a prosecution area will target & engage only contacts that are within this area (or their patrol area). If they are not on patrol or their patrol does not have a prosecution area, the existing AI rules apply.
This makes it possible to create SAM ambushes (shoot at far less than max range), divide areas of responsibility for multiple patrol forces etc.
PAs work as intented only when the "Investigate targets outside contact area" option is enabled. Also, the "engage targets of opportunity" doctrine option overrides the prosecution area restriction.

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ORIGINAL: vicberg
Na... I always choose the largest scenario available. My best approach for learning all aspects of the game, including how to manage it.

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ORIGINAL: vicberg
Sure thing, but I'll need to set it up again. After changing my patrol zone from single spot to the persecution zone, I went back and changed it back to a single spot and received this. So I'll need to start the scenario over.

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

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ORIGINAL: vicberg
The developers and this company want all dumb or obvious questions asked and answered in a open forum. They want people engaged in the game and not getting frustrated because they didn't find it in the manual. The answer "shut up and go read a manual" doesn't exactly promote this game, especially when someone can usually get a very quick answer from the forum rather than spending hours reading a manual, especially since Matrix search engine isn't the most robust.

Same goes for technology. I can find answers in seconds, the same answers for the same questions asked hundreds of times in which people are ALWAYS ready to answer. Or I can spend hours reading through programming manuals.

It's a good thing and shows it's a very good game, something I'd suggest to you that you don't try to squelch.

Actually experience has helped us develop a good sense about the intent of posters. Most want help, some like to chat and a few are just posting in to show the forum how smart they think they are. The critical thing is focusing on what and who is important.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: Sunburn

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

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ORIGINAL: vicberg
The developers and this company want all dumb or obvious questions asked and answered in a open forum. They want people engaged in the game and not getting frustrated because they didn't find it in the manual. The answer "shut up and go read a manual" doesn't exactly promote this game, especially when someone can usually get a very quick answer from the forum rather than spending hours reading a manual, especially since Matrix search engine isn't the most robust.

Same goes for technology. I can find answers in seconds, the same answers for the same questions asked hundreds of times in which people are ALWAYS ready to answer. Or I can spend hours reading through programming manuals.

It's a good thing and shows it's a very good game, something I'd suggest to you that you don't try to squelch.

Actually experience has helped us develop a good sense about the intent of posters. Most want help, some like to chat and a few are just posting in to show the forum how smart they think they are. The critical thing is focusing on what and who is important.

Mike

I would pay great attention to Mike's points. He's here to help any way possible, but he's also a straight-shooter who won't shy from pointing outright flaws in your method.

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ORIGINAL: vicberg

And a bit more. Within this same game I just posted, I changed patrol zone to persecution zone, CAP responded to MIG-21s, then responded to Flagons (northeast). I change patrol zone back to single reference and CAP didn't respond to identified (not bogey) Flagons within persecution zone. I change patrol zone back to persecution zone reference points and CAP responded again. So there's definitely something going on with the persecution zone logic.

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ORIGINAL: vicberg
My experience so far is that the game in some ways is very smart and enables me to simply put my assets in the right locations at the right time, so I feel like I'm in charge of an operation. Then the game gets not so smart and I'm having to get involved in manual control of many little aspects.

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