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RE: Canada and India invaded! - 6/7/2016 6:04:10 PM   
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RE: Canada and India invaded! - 6/8/2016 8:14:33 AM   
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RE: Canada and India invaded! - 6/8/2016 8:34:45 PM   
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But a quick update! Activity on the WC!

2 Japanese TFs spotted almost due west of Coal Harbor! Possibly moving SE towards Astoria and/or Victoria! A 10/10 DL on a picket sub SW of San Diego!

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RE: Canada and India invaded! - 6/8/2016 9:13:44 PM   
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RE: Canada and India invaded! - 6/8/2016 9:51:15 PM   
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RE: Canada and India invaded! - 6/8/2016 11:52:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Had to prioritize getting the turn to Jeff rather then updating.

But a quick update! Activity on the WC!

2 Japanese TFs spotted almost due west of Coal Harbor! Possibly moving SE towards Astoria and/or Victoria! A 10/10 DL on a picket sub SW of San Diego!

I enjoy watching KB's carrier elite getting shredded attacking inappropriate targets like industry and huge LBAirfields...





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Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 6:47:25 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 7:00:08 PM   
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I´m 95% sure this is the real deal. Basically this is the only place on the map worth the staggering investments which the Japanese have poured into NORPAC/PH lately. I bet the target is LA and its 482 AC factories. In fact I am so sure this is real I already moved a big portion of the mobile reserve toward the area last turn when I got the 10/10 DL on the sub. 2 divisions and 2 tank BTLs are already at March field moving for San Diego. The rest of the reserve will follow today moving for Los Angeles.

3 armored division and the 3rd Marines will arrive in LA tomorrow. Forts are at 9 both in SD and LA. Nothing else is built up or will be defended. We will hole up in these two locations and then await the emergency reinforcements together with reinforcements from NORPAC. When they arrive we will counter attack and drive the Japanese back to the sea.

I am confident in the allied ability to defend the WC.

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Allied Forces on the WC
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-7th Motorized, 25th, 35th, 37th, 40th, 41st, 43rd, 44th, 91st and 104th Infantry divisions.
-5th, 6th and 13th Armored divisions.
-3rd Marine division
-14 Regiments/BDEs
-5 Tank Battalions

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Emergency Reinforcements
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II USA Armored Corps
II USA Corps
2nd Armored Division
4th Motorized Division
8th Motorized Division
36th Infantry Division
Provisional Tank Brigade
2nd Army Tank Brigade
Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Salt Lake City

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Total in case of Invasion
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14 Infantry divisions
4 Armored divisions
1 USMC division

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 7:03:28 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 7:04:23 PM   
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Are your CONUS white restricted IDs still in 1941 devices?


Nope!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 7:21:06 PM   
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Allied fighters massing at SF.




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 7:25:52 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 7:39:08 PM   
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Off to bed.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 8:04:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if he will land a small force on one of the islands. He might want to use it for PA recon/Naval search. That would trigger the WC reinforcements at that point.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 8:25:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Allied response
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I´m 95% sure this is the real deal. Basically this is the only place on the map worth the staggering investments which the Japanese have poured into NORPAC/PH lately. I bet the target is LA and its 482 AC factories. In fact I am so sure this is real I already moved a big portion of the mobile reserve toward the area last turn when I got the 10/10 DL on the sub. 2 divisions and 2 tank BTLs are already at March field moving for San Diego. The rest of the reserve will follow today moving for Los Angeles.

3 armored division and the 3rd Marines will arrive in LA tomorrow. Forts are at 9 both in SD and LA. Nothing else is built up or will be defended. We will hole up in these two locations and then await the emergency reinforcements together with reinforcements from NORPAC. When they arrive we will counter attack and drive the Japanese back to the sea.

I am confident in the allied ability to defend the WC.

------------------------
Allied Forces on the WC
------------------------
-7th Motorized, 25th, 35th, 37th, 40th, 41st, 43rd, 44th, 91st and 104th Infantry divisions.
-5th, 6th and 13th Armored divisions.
-3rd Marine division
-14 Regiments/BDEs
-5 Tank Battalions

------------------------
Emergency Reinforcements
------------------------
II USA Armored Corps
II USA Corps
2nd Armored Division
4th Motorized Division
8th Motorized Division
36th Infantry Division
Provisional Tank Brigade
2nd Army Tank Brigade
Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Salt Lake City

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Total in case of Invasion
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14 Infantry divisions
4 Armored divisions
1 USMC division


I agree with this being the main event, I am just suspicious of sneaky people who might use a massive main thrust to pull all the defences to one area and send a smaller invasion to Seattle area. Better have pickets up there in the Gulf of Alaska/Canadian Coast.


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 8:50:51 PM   
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Beware of critical mass! I heard if you gather enough fighters in one place, they turn into a big furball.

And anyone who has had furballs knows that they beget hairballs!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 9:11:57 PM   
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Invasion!!!
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Here they come...








If that is a bluff that is one Hell of a bluff.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 9:20:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		It goes without saying that flipping Los Angeles is a massive point swing..both in victory points and strategic damage points. It also goes without saying that Japan pretty much loses the game if it fails after a protracted campaign.

Santa Ana and Port Hueneme are more logical landing sites to achieve a port and an AF.

Most likely a landing on the Channel Islands for an air and naval base. When is this?

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 9:24:23 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 9:25:42 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 9:41:29 PM   
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Be wary about massing airpower on coastal hexes, plenty of bases available 1 hex inland.



Yes. All you need is Kirishima and friends to show up.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 10:11:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		You got your 48 hour warning, and then some before the ground troops arrive. What sort of minelaying and PT reception can you give? What are the port and airfield levels for the bases you left undefended?

This has got to be a smash and burn operation given the insane length of his lines of communication. The problem is a quick capture of the only sensible targets ain't happening due to maxed out forts. So a siege would be necessary to capture either Los Angeles or San Diego. Isolating Los Angeles doesn't seem very practical, whereas isolating San Diego is not very challenging. Seems pretty evident that San Diego must be the Japanese primary objective.



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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 10:53:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		San Diego is much easier to take as it is a Clear hex. Good victory points too but not the stratospheric levels of strategic damage points available in LA. SD has quite a bit of USA B-24 production

Santa Ana and Camp Pendleton have level 2 AF at a minimum.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 11:17:55 PM   
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San Diego is much easier to take as it is a Clear hex. Good victory points too but not the stratospheric levels of strategic damage points available in LA. SD has quite a bit of USA B-24 production

Santa Ana and Camp Pendleton have level 2 AF at a minimum.


You dint get strat VPs for taking a base, nor do you get them (i don't think, anyway) for destroying industry due to flipping a base. That said, A/C factories go away and any ships set to arrive there are destroyed giving full VPs.

I can't recall, but do any / many ships come in the smaller bases? Taking SD or LA (or Seattle, Portland, Tacoma, SF, etc for a day will give him a lot of ship VPs. Enough to push it to 4:1? Not sure. How does China look? Does the VP screen you showed the other day include the capture of chungking? If not, a successful west coast grab along with chungking could put him over the top.
He may not be able to stay, but he may be able to cause some trouble.
I think your forts will buy you enough time to get reinforcements in place...just make sure you don't fall for a feint and have them in the wrong place.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 11:21:06 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 11:45:20 PM   
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San Diego is much easier to take as it is a Clear hex. Good victory points too but not the stratospheric levels of strategic damage points available in LA. SD has quite a bit of USA B-24 production

Santa Ana and Camp Pendleton have level 2 AF at a minimum.
The Japanese are not going to capture either of Los Angeles or San Diego without reducing the forts enough to get the attack odds above the fort level. Factor in the x2 terrain for L.A. and it would take a multi-month siege to capture L.A. That isn't happening since the Allies will have air supremacy in short order.

Capturing San Diego will be tough enough. Joc mentioned 2 divisions and 2 armor battalions being sent to augment the defenses at S.D. That is at least 700 unadjusted AV of additional defense. The Japanese would need at least 7,500 of adjusted AV to have a chance of capturing S.D. at fort level 9. I can't see them getting to 7,500, nor can I see the Allies only getting to 750 of adjusted AV.

I think this is a glorious exercise in futility by the Japanese. It's too bad the players can't charge for admission because this would be worth it for the entertainment value.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/9/2016 11:55:22 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/10/2016 12:16:51 AM   
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San Diego is much easier to take as it is a Clear hex. Good victory points too but not the stratospheric levels of strategic damage points available in LA. SD has quite a bit of USA B-24 production

Santa Ana and Camp Pendleton have level 2 AF at a minimum.


You dint get strat VPs for taking a base, nor do you get them (i don't think, anyway) for destroying industry due to flipping a base. That said, A/C factories go away and any ships set to arrive there are destroyed giving full VPs.

I can't recall, but do any / many ships come in the smaller bases? Taking SD or LA (or Seattle, Portland, Tacoma, SF, etc for a day will give him a lot of ship VPs. Enough to push it to 4:1? Not sure. How does China look? Does the VP screen you showed the other day include the capture of chungking? If not, a successful west coast grab along with chungking could put him over the top.
He may not be able to stay, but he may be able to cause some trouble.
I think your forts will buy you enough time to get reinforcements in place...just make sure you don't fall for a feint and have them in the wrong place.



You may be right about strat VP's simply for flipping. In our game we gave up about 300 Strat VP's when Brisbane fell. Perhaps from damaged or destroyed shipyard or heavy industry?

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/10/2016 12:26:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I looked it up. LA produces 19 DD's, 12 DE, 7 AV/AR/AS, 100+ AP/APA's, 100-200 Liberty ships

If you really get VP's for all of those that must be 2500+ pts.

LA is also a major source of P-51's of all models.

San Diego produces 7 CVE's

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/10/2016 3:30:30 AM   
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You got your 48 hour warning, and then some before the ground troops arrive. What sort of minelaying and PT reception can you give? What are the port and airfield levels for the bases you left undefended?

This has got to be a smash and burn operation given the insane length of his lines of communication. The problem is a quick capture of the only sensible targets ain't happening due to maxed out forts. So a siege would be necessary to capture either Los Angeles or San Diego. Isolating Los Angeles doesn't seem very practical, whereas isolating San Diego is not very challenging. Seems pretty evident that San Diego must be the Japanese primary objective.



Nah - he'll avoid San Diego - too risky. The Mexican cartels will be all over him!

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