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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/15/2016 8:48:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The best landing site in early 1943 at the "Santa Ana" hex would likely be the Balboa Peninsula as it would probably not come under fire from Battery 155 in Bosla Chica (South of Huntington Beach). Northern Newport Beach beaches and Huntington Beach would be observed from Battery 155 (two 155's on Panama mounts with protected magazines).

Beaches further South would have significant difficulties with the exits and favorable defensive positions.




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/15/2016 8:50:46 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/15/2016 8:55:35 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/15/2016 9:17:58 PM   
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http://www.huntingtonbeachca.gov/files/users/library/complete/070811-1.pdf

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/15/2016 9:41:45 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/15/2016 10:59:12 PM   
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and what about the battery in Ned Beatty's front yard?



Seems like that has to be Pacific Pallisades or perhaps Malibu...probably in the Los Angeles hex.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 12:00:52 AM   
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Coastal defense batteries at San Pedro (Los Angeles) and south.
this site never ceases to amaze me. BTW, I read the full PDF

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 1:39:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		A few years ago I drove north across the Golden Gate bridge to Marin county to visit the park on the headlands. Lo and behold there were several sites there that once held coastal batteries - really big ones! At least 14", possibly 16". Fantastic elevated view of the ocean and any targets that might come their way! I'm sure there were batteries on the other side of the bridge, in The Presidio military camp area, but they didn't get the cliff view.
When I look at the SFO Harbour Defences in game it helps to have seen the site they were on.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 2:22:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just dunno what advantage your opponent seeks to seize here - other than the slim possibility of an auto-victory. Surely he knows that every LCU that lands, the majority of his hefty transports, many of his airplanes & a significant portion of his naval combat power are gonna be destroyed?
The lack of Allied SigInt of this invasion says that the IJ LCU aren't prepped for their invasion or follow-on targets. If that's the case, the IJ invaders are gonna be extremely vulnerable (bulk disruption after landing) to immediate counter-attack.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 2:43:40 AM   
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A few years ago I drove north across the Golden Gate bridge to Marin county to visit the park on the headlands. Lo and behold there were several sites there that once held coastal batteries - really big ones! At least 14", possibly 16". Fantastic elevated view of the ocean and any targets that might come their way! I'm sure there were batteries on the other side of the bridge, in The Presidio military camp area, but they didn't get the cliff view.
When I look at the SFO Harbour Defences in game it helps to have seen the site they were on.

NTM the well-tended 'controlled minefields', AA defenses & artillery observation towers. The Golden Gate was wired up pretty tight!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:00:23 PM   
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I can´t update everything in one go and I wont be able to do everything tonight. But Japanese have landed at 3 location around Los Angeles! This has been done under horrendous losses as the landings havn´t been prepared. I estimate almost 1000 Japanese AV disabled in the first wave for no Allied losses.

I´m looking at the possibility of an Allied armored counterattack to throw the invaders back into the sea. Need to go through everything which will take time because...

..."WC invaded! Counter invasion forces released."

I´ll try updating things as I go through the turn. Looking quickly at the air reinforcements its a big letdown. Most bombers arrive as empty shells and all arrive with abysmal pilots. On the bright side I now have 75 P47s on the EC.

Troops arriving looks decent tho. Nothing spectacular but the Armored units will be certainly come in handy.

Interesting times ahead. But I remain firm in my belief that this is mission impossible for the Japanese.




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:06:01 PM   
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Amphibious Assault at Santa Ana (226,76)

TF 118 troops unloading over beach at Santa Ana, 226,76

Japanese ground losses:
2088 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 229 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 55 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 43 (1 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (0 destroyed, 24 disabled)

20 troops of a IJA Hy Inf Sqd 41 lost in surf during unload of 12th Div /6
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 14th Div /2
10cm T91 Howitzer lost from landing craft during unload of 14th Div /5
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad accidentally lost during unload of 14th Div /10


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Amphibious Assault at Santa Ana (226,76)

TF 119 troops unloading over beach at Santa Ana, 226,76

Japanese ground losses:
1400 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 171 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (0 destroyed, 11 disabled)

17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th Div /5
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost in surf during unload of 4th Div /10


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Amphibious Assault at Santa Barbara (223,76)

TF 124 troops unloading over beach at Santa Barbara, 223,76

Japanese ground losses:
1184 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 137 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (0 destroyed, 8 disabled)

17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad accidentally lost during unload of 6th Guards Div /3
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 6th Guards Div /8
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad accidentally lost during unload of 6th Guards Div /13

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:07:43 PM   
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WC invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
SC PC-1079 arrives at Los Angeles
TK A.C. Rubel arrives at Portland
VC-26 arrives at Seattle
VC-28 arrives at Los Angeles
VT-5 arrives at San Francisco
VF-71 arrives at San Francisco
VS-71 arrives at San Francisco
VB-72 arrives at San Francisco
VMF-114 arrives at Santa Ana
VMF-115 arrives at Santa Barbara
VMSB-133 arrives at Santa Ana
VMSB-134 arrives at Santa Barbara
VMF-212 arrives at San Diego
VMF-217 arrives at March Field
VMF-218 arrives at Mojave
VMF-224 arrives at Santa Ana
VMTB-242 arrives at March Field
VMSB-245 arrives at Santa Ana
VMJ-353 arrives at San Diego
VMJ-952 arrives at Eastern USA
Scout Bombing Det 1 is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
VP-22 arrives at San Francisco
VP-34 arrives at San Diego
VP-45 arrives at Seattle
VP-52 arrives at San Diego
VB-102 is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
VB-104 is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
VB-106 arrives at San Diego
VB-108 arrives at San Diego
VB-137 arrives at Alameda
VB-138 arrives at Oak Harbor
VB-139 arrives at Oak Harbor
VB-140 arrives at Alameda
VB-142 arrives at Oak Harbor
VB-144 arrives at Alameda
VS-61 arrives at Perth
VS-64 arrives at Efate
VS-65 is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
VS-66 arrives at Funafuti
VS-66 Det arrives at Wallis Island
VS-67 arrives at Alameda
VS-68 arrives at Alameda
VS-69 is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
VS-70 is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
VS-70 Det 1 is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
VS-70 Det 2 is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
VS-71 arrives at Alameda
VD-3 arrives at San Diego
No.163 Sqn RCAF arrives at Vancouver
18th PMS Det arrives at Eastern USA
21st PS arrives at Aden
312th BG/386th BS arrives at Eastern USA
312th BG/387th BS arrives at Eastern USA
312th BG/388th BS arrives at Eastern USA
312th BG/389th BS arrives at Eastern USA
345th BG/498th BS arrives at Eastern USA
345th BG/499th BS arrives at Eastern USA
345th BG/500th BS arrives at Eastern USA
345th BG/501st BS arrives at Eastern USA
380th BG/528th BS arrives at Eastern USA
380th BG/529th BS arrives at Eastern USA
380th BG/530th BS arrives at Eastern USA
380th BG/531st BS arrives at Eastern USA
407th BG/632nd BS arrives at Eastern USA
407th BG/633rd BS arrives at Eastern USA
407th BG/635th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/822nd BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/823rd BS arrives at Eastern USA
80th FG/88th FS arrives at Cape Town
80th FG/89th FS arrives at Cape Town
80th FG/90th FS arrives at Cape Town
348th FG/340th FS arrives at Eastern USA
348th FG/341st FS arrives at Eastern USA
348th FG/342nd FS arrives at Eastern USA
475th FG/431st FS arrives at Charters Towers
475th FG/432nd FS arrives at Charters Towers
475th FG/433rd FS arrives at Charters Towers
X Sqn arrives at Kweilin
55th FG/343rd FS arrives at Tacoma
328th FG/444th FS arrives at San Francisco
443rd TCG/1st TCS arrives at Aden
443rd TCG/2nd TCS arrives at Aden
375th TCG/55th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
375th TCG/56th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
375th TCG/57th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
375th TCG/58th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
403rd TCG/66th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
22nd FeG/77th FeS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
22nd FeG/78th FeS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
22nd FeG/88th FeS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
28th TG/96th TS arrives at Tezpur
28th TG/98th TS arrives at Tezpur
29th TG/99th TS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
29th TG/100th TS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
29th TG/301st TS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
30th TG/302nd TS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
30th TG/303rd TS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
30th TG/304th TS is delayed to arrive at San Francisco
II USA Armored Corps arrives at San Luis Obispo
II USA Corps arrives at Salt Lake City
2nd Armored Division arrives at Salt Lake City
4th Motorized Division arrives at Salt Lake City
8th Motorized Division arrives at Salt Lake City
36th Infantry Division arrives at Salt Lake City
Provisional Tank Brigade arrives at Mojave
2nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Canada
Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Salt Lake City

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:16:14 PM   
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Basically they are pretty much useless besides the 75 P47s. Most arrive as empty shells which I have no use for. Some of the USMC groups arrive with planes though including one with 9 Corsairs. But they instead have completely ****e pilots. 30 EXP/10 skill pilots.

To be honest I would probably been happier without them. 90% of the squadrons will just be sent to the EC as training squadrons. I have absolutely no use for them. Only useful squadrons are the 3xP47s, one 17 plane P38G squadron and the 9 plane USMC Corsair squadron. Rest I have either no planes for or the ones with planes I don´t have pilots for.

But the 75 P47s alone will be worth 500 P40s.


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:21:11 PM   
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Nice armored units. Bad news for the Japanese I think.




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:24:09 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:24:23 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:32:09 PM   
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Also, don't you get a few supply convoys with things like planes and tanks for the pools?

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:41:52 PM   
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Too bad they're mostly white restricted, huh? But maybe you can disband them later for devices in the pools?


Also, don't you get a few supply convoys with things like planes and tanks for the pools?


No planes in them sadly...

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:52:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		A 1943 invasion of the West Coast is a highly unusual event in the history of WitP and AE, Jocke, so you know your readers will be salivating over details. We're all interested in seeing how it turns out. It kinda seems like an "all or nothing affair." One side or the other is going to emerge staggering and bloody. Since you attended so well to fort building, I suspect it will be your opponent.

There have been a few other West Coast invasions. I think the most renowned might be Mogami's "Beer Made Me Do It," early in the WitP days. I don't think that turned out well for him.

I think there are ways to configure a successful (perhaps even lethal) West Coast offensive for Japan. But I think timing is everything and the Japanese player has to begin the war with that strategy in place. Generally speaking, a good Japanese player would be targeting American industry or auto victory or both.

If I took on a meticulous, aggressive, elite Japanese player, I'd sweat out a West Coast offensive in 1942. But I think it would be very difficult in '43 unless the Allies player hadn't attended to things at home. If he stripped North America of everything to ship it to the front or to India, things might get pretty tight.

Good luck!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 7:59:07 PM   
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Change them!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 8:23:39 PM   
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A few years ago I drove north across the Golden Gate bridge to Marin county to visit the park on the headlands. Lo and behold there were several sites there that once held coastal batteries - really big ones! At least 14", possibly 16". Fantastic elevated view of the ocean and any targets that might come their way! I'm sure there were batteries on the other side of the bridge, in The Presidio military camp area, but they didn't get the cliff view.
When I look at the SFO Harbour Defences in game it helps to have seen the site they were on.



In my neck of the woods is one of the many coastal forts the Navy squandered their funding on during the Spanish/American War....Fort DeSoto:

http://fortdesoto.com/

Wasting their money on forts like this is one of the main reasons the Navy didn't have sufficient shipping to be able to send the Rough Rider's horses along with the troops to Cuba.

Used to love it as a kid when my parents would take the family to the park for a day at the beach.

It's located at the southern tip of the Pinellas Peninsula that forms Tampa Bay.





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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 8:37:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		2nd Armored Div is going to be murder on his Ronsons. 18 Shermans, 30 x 57 mm ATG. Tons of heavy infantry weapons. If you get that into LA he will never take it.

The level of disruption of his landing force is indeed shocking.

LA looks like the target.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/16/2016 10:18:24 PM   
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Nice armored units. Bad news for the Japanese I think.





This Canadian one will need PP buyout. ;) due to yours HR.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/17/2016 7:34:15 AM   
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Finally sorted out all the air groups arriving and its pretty much as I feared. The complete lack of attention to the WC reinforcements are obvious.

USAAF groups arrive with mediocre pilots (50/50) but with a few exceptions (3x25 P47s) they arrive without planes. Mostly 2 planes not seldom of models that havn´t even begun production. Some arrive with A-36s or P41Ns for example. The few bomber groups that arrive are devoid of both planes and pilots with the exception of 4 groups of 2Es that arrive with planes and pilots. You do get a ****load of transport groups with planes though. Because that is what you really need...

USN/USMC groups arrive with planes. Except the fighter squadrons (because reasons ). Problem is that (and any allied player will know this) is that they arrive without pilots and USN and especially USMC pilots are chronically short in supply.

To sum it up in a short sentence. The air reinforcement (with the exception of 3 P47 squadrons and a half strength P38G squadron) are completely and utterly useless. They will certainly help with training in the future but outside that there is no use for them. All I could do was to move them to the EC as training squadrons. All in all I estimate the total of aircraft arriving (not counting transports) are probably no more then 200 planes.

To be honest I had expected more useful stuff. You don´t even get any extra planes to bolster the pools. A real disappointment.




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/17/2016 8:02:15 AM   
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It's really enjoyable to follow this, AND the other part in Lowpe's AAR as well. Thank you


I also wanted to say though, I don't like how a few posts in here have been dismissive of this operations, calling it foolish or doomed or pointless.

I don't know how this will turn out, and it may be that Lowpe will crash and burn. I would have probably not done this in his place, I'm more of a cautious sort.
But I enjoy reading these 2 AAR, and I can attest he worked hard to prepare this operation. And from a reader's standpoint it's a very nice deviation from the norm

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/17/2016 8:06:54 AM   
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Here is a screen of the defenses at LA and SD. As can be seen LA is far beyond Japanese capabilities to overcome. I would have liked another division at SD but there wasn´t time. If I hadn´t acted on the sub DL I would only have had 2 IDs there...

Don´t know if the target is SD, LA or both. No prepp on either city. I have a command HQ and Corp HQ prepping for both although prepp is low. Troops have various prepp. Some on the city but some have offensive prepp for targets in Alaska. Ever the optimist I decided to not change the offensive prepp. Once the evil empire is thrown back into the sea I want to counter attack quickly.

I still feel extremely confident in my ability to deal with this. SD is a slight worry depending on what Jeff does. But in order to isolate SD he has to divide his forces into two and defend a clear hex without forts.

A Japanese paradrop at Corvallis failed miserably but threw some units off stratmode. There is what looks like a invasion TF west of Astoria. I still have 3 divisions in the North covering Seattle, Tacoma and Portland. Forts are at 9 at all those locations. If the south turns out to be an elaborate feint I should have plenty of time to shift back to the North. 1 division are acting reserve in SF in stratmode. Besides that the ER will need 2-3 days to shift to stratmode and can be diverted north if needed.






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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/17/2016 8:36:19 AM   
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We are still gathering strength and repairing aircraft. I´m also waiting for the Japanese to capture their first base. This will allow me to sweep hopefully crippling the KB airwings in the first crucial days. If I can succeed with that I have a real good chance of achieving air superiority.

I have LBA naval strike craft ready but lack of pilots means I get only one shot at attacking shipping. Not going to risk that against the KB while crippling my on Fighters to escort duty. Attacking KB itself is a complete waste of time. If I can´t punch through the KB cap in 44 with 2000 planes I wont be able to do it with 80 planes.

It will be a struggle for air supremacy here and the key will be KB. Without it I think Jeff will have a hard time. The places he landed at isn´t built up and will only give him a level 0, level 1 and level 2 airfield. I have 60 4Es ready and another 24 on their way. It should be enough to suppress a smaller airfield.

I have 300 Fighters of the Seventh AirForce ready to begin sweeping. They are spread out between bases North of LA. 75 of them are P40Ks. In 3-4 days 50 P38s will be ready and in 6-7 days the P47s will be ready. I stripped the squadrons in India of the best pilots. They will fly the P47s.

The real allied counterattack will be an armored push. I think Jeff made a few mistakes in his operation that I intend to try and take advantage of. More on this in 2-3 days then the Armored division have detrained.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/17/2016 8:37:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Holy carruthers that's going to be tough to beat, even if you only picked up a paper air force. Kudos to Lowpe for giving this a go and entertaining the peanut gallery. I can see forum comments five years from now: "Remember when Lowpe went all in on a CONUS invasion against Joc?"

One thing that doesn't seem right is those reinforcements (expect Canadian) are perma-restricted. I think you earned the right to land those on Honshu in the future.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 6/17/2016 3:15:43 PM   
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USN/USMC groups arrive with planes. Except the fighter squadrons (because reasons ). Problem is that (and any allied player will know this) is that they arrive without pilots and USN and especially USMC pilots are chronically short in supply.



You have carriers packed with pilots. Which is more important right now? Just saying . . .

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