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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 5:25:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow..JJ is going to get booted out of LA. They will have to evacuate from Santa Barbara under duress which means somebody is going to get left behind.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 6:04:22 PM   
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Wow..JJ is going to get booted out of LA. They will have to evacuate from Santa Barbara under duress which means somebody is going to get left behind.


I sure hope so.


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 6:18:02 PM   
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Forgot to take a screen of the lone Japanese unit at SD. Its a lone unit but no numbers. I was thinking about counter attacking but I don´t dare take any risks here.

At least one unit have started to move back from the SD push...that is good news for us. Also looks like Jeff is moving more units into LA. Also good news as it is clear that the attacks have started to draw more Japanese units into LA. I don´t need to win at LA. I only need to tie down enough Japanese forces to make it impossible for him to take SD. If I manage that I have won.






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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 6:52:26 PM   
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I don´t need to win at LA. I only need to tie down enough Japanese forces to make it impossible for him to take SD.


+1 to this. IMHO you want a Stalingrad sort of strategy here (on the Soviet side!) which is to say that you draw the enemy forces in to an area they can't completely control and that will leave them highly vulnerable to being cut off and, eventually, destroyed.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 7:15:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just realized the IJA must have taken the I-5 from Santa Ana to get to LA. This means if they are driven back toward Santa Ana you will be able to concentrate on the forces South of LA, including the two clear hexes.

You need to knock on the back door before they take San Diego and pretty much ignore Santa Barbara.


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 8:40:23 PM   
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Forgot to take a screen of the lone Japanese unit at SD. Its a lone unit but no numbers. I was thinking about counter attacking but I don´t dare take any risks here.



Doubt it matters based on hexside control, but that one unit turns off your LI production at SD. In stock that's 160 LI.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 8:45:58 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 8:54:31 PM   
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Forgot to take a screen of the lone Japanese unit at SD. Its a lone unit but no numbers. I was thinking about counter attacking but I don´t dare take any risks here.



Doubt it matters based on hexside control, but that one unit turns off your LI production at SD. In stock that's 160 LI.


Isn't it just the resources that are disabled, while the LI continues to run with what's already there until they run out?

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 8:56:24 PM   
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Forgot to take a screen of the lone Japanese unit at SD. Its a lone unit but no numbers. I was thinking about counter attacking but I don´t dare take any risks here.



Doubt it matters based on hexside control, but that one unit turns off your LI production at SD. In stock that's 160 LI.


I have forgotten more about this game than I remember but I thought that by having a unit enter a base hex it stopped resource generation but the LI & HI would continue to run (theoretically because they were inside the city?) until the resource reserves ran out.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/5/2016 10:25:35 PM   
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Forgot to take a screen of the lone Japanese unit at SD. Its a lone unit but no numbers. I was thinking about counter attacking but I don´t dare take any risks here.



Doubt it matters based on hexside control, but that one unit turns off your LI production at SD. In stock that's 160 LI.


I have forgotten more about this game than I remember but I thought that by having a unit enter a base hex it stopped resource generation but the LI & HI would continue to run (theoretically because they were inside the city?) until the resource reserves ran out.

That agrees with my memory on it too, but I am not 100% certain.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/6/2016 5:40:19 AM   
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A bloody day in the air. Or naval strikes failed horribly. But if you disregard the naval strike losses we did very well.

Tomorrow its P47 time!




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/6/2016 3:58:36 PM   
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Forgot to take a screen of the lone Japanese unit at SD. Its a lone unit but no numbers. I was thinking about counter attacking but I don´t dare take any risks here.



Doubt it matters based on hexside control, but that one unit turns off your LI production at SD. In stock that's 160 LI.


I have forgotten more about this game than I remember but I thought that by having a unit enter a base hex it stopped resource generation but the LI & HI would continue to run (theoretically because they were inside the city?) until the resource reserves ran out.

That agrees with my memory on it too, but I am not 100% certain.


The way memory can flip on you . . .

I brought this up way back in my first PBEM (the AARed one) and started a thread in Tech.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3247334

Interesting thread. Basically, the manual talks to Oil and Resources, but not supply or fuel production in a dual-occupied hex. Around patch 5 or 6 an undocumented change was made to turn LI and HI off. This is the one I saw in my game and brought up. Michael lists the then current code checks in that thread. A discussion ensued with many participants (including witpqs) about whether the change should have been made. Michael eventually changed it back, but with limits on HI production.

"20/01/13: 1123 - Restored original code that allowed LI,REF to produce when enemy LCU in hex
Partially restore original code that allowed HI to produce, but only if no enemy LCU or for port >3, no enemy TF in hex "

Summary: San Diego LI will continue so long as Resources are stockpiled there.

Sorry for the memory fart.


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 3:49:15 AM   
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A bloody day in the air.


Interesting -- you still found a use for the Airacobras in 1943.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 4:52:31 AM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 7:10:05 AM   
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I use them for low altitude CAP/LRCAP. I´ll be flying some squadrons until late 43 and even into 44!

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 7:11:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Got the replay (absolutely nothing happened as sweeps rained in). No turn yet though. Thought I would have it this morning but no luck.

Hopefully I´ll get it during the afternoon.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 7:31:29 AM   
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In one of my pbems I have 4 Ki-43-Ia Oscars still flying escort in China in march 1943! Simply because there is no need to have IIa or IIb or Tojo there :D Once they got shot down or crash they will get replaced by something else. But till then, they will be flying :D

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 5:23:41 PM   
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I didn´t order any attacks at LA this turn. Wanted to let the troops rest a little bit. Tomorrow we attack with full strength. 4000 AV. Fingers crossed...

Sweeps rained in with thunderstorms over Santa Ana. New try today.

Subs got in among the sheep and sank two ships.






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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 5:25:19 PM   
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Tuna goes bonanza and even surfaces to nail the AKV.






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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 5:27:38 PM   
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Lets see if Jeff got more reinforcements in place....




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 5:34:14 PM   
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Critical day tomorrow...I don´t expect too much Japanese resistance but surely he will do something. D day -2. I really have too little CV support but a huge Surface fleet. I´m hoping it can make up for the lack of airpower.




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 5:49:34 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 5:51:50 PM   
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This is going to be very interesting - I hope this is part of a larger move against Malaya / Sabang / etc.


Its just the first phase. Don´t worry. Didn´t have enough lift to do both at the same time.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 5:52:40 PM   
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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 6:07:56 PM   
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Somewhat of a milestone in the war the first recon flight returns with intel from the Japanese stronghold in SOPAC. As expected there is very little here. I expect most of SOPAC to be more or less empty.

If Jeff doesn´t make AV soon he will be in big problems. Although I´m not sure he can make AV even if he manages to capture SD and the troop VPs from Chungking.

VP ratio is hovering around 3,1:1 as it has been for the last year or so. If allied VPs freeze at the current level he needs 10051 VPs for AV.

I don´t think that is possible.




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 6:39:35 PM   
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Lets see what happens. Mostly worried about Pencil tbh.

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 7:04:55 PM   
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Anyone curious how P47s do when available in 1/43?

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Morning Air attack on Santa Ana , at 226,76

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 29
E13A1 Jake x 1
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 30

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses


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Morning Air attack on Santa Ana , at 226,76

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 20
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 2
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses


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Morning Air attack on Santa Ana , at 226,76

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 7
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses




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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 7:06:27 PM   
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Invasion Day 8
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Anyone curious how P47s do when available in 1/43?

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Morning Air attack on Santa Ana , at 226,76

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 29
E13A1 Jake x 1
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 30

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses


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Morning Air attack on Santa Ana , at 226,76

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 20
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 2
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses


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Morning Air attack on Santa Ana , at 226,76

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 7
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses





oh ****

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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 7:09:13 PM   
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Not stellar. But not too bad either. I just need to keep grinding! Looking at earlier attacks I either got a bad roll on this attack or the previous two was good ones.

Hoping the former....

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Ground combat at Los Angeles (225,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 62571 troops, 1189 guns, 2894 vehicles, Assault Value = 3814

Defending force 36412 troops, 450 guns, 576 vehicles, Assault Value = 1003

Allied adjusted assault: 1416

Japanese adjusted defense: 2409

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2341 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 130 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Guns lost 52 (7 destroyed, 45 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (5 destroyed, 26 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1975 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 150 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 34 disabled
Guns lost 116 (3 destroyed, 113 disabled)
Vehicles lost 119 (17 destroyed, 102 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Motorized Division
2nd Armored Division
41st Infantry Division
8th Motorized Division
5th Armoured Division
13th Armoured Division
6th Armoured Division
7th Motorized Division
LA Harbor Defense
40th Infantry Division
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
3rd Marine Division
Provisional Tank Brigade
503rd Coast AA Regiment
183rd Field Artillery Battalion
352nd Construction Regiment
Los Angeles USN Base Force
204th Coast AA Regiment
165th Field Artillery Battalion
I US Corps
214th Coast AA Regiment
37th US Naval Construction Battalion
19th Base Maint Engineer Battalion
511th Coast AA Regiment
603rd Coast AA Regiment
24th MAG
188th Field Artillery Battalion
21st US Naval Construction Battalion
II USA Corps

Defending units:
1st Division
9th Division
2nd Tank Division
2nd Air Defense AA Regiment
22nd Fld AA Gun Co
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
3rd Air Defense AA Regiment
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment


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RE: Invasion West Coast! - 7/7/2016 7:42:07 PM   
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No attacks on any of the TFs. Happy days!

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