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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn13 - 8/4/2016 11:19:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Finally the Supply situation south of Moscow:

The Pz Corps North East of Kursk is fine due to HQBU, and because I captured a lot of fuel from overrun airbases.
Some extra fuel is flown in for good measure (on the HQ) as the pocket needs to sealed next turn and I expect to have to fight for it.








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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn13 - 8/4/2016 11:55:30 PM   
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What map is that..it doesnt look like a Jison?

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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn13 - 8/5/2016 12:18:35 AM   
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Kinda of weird how Chaos is better then most at Russia and yet sucks as Germany?

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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn13 - 8/5/2016 1:37:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Germany is all about sticking the opening- the first 3-4 turns as Germany are the most critical IMO...the way this game works you know if you still have a chance or not as Germany very early.

If the Soviet player can buy just a couple turns extra in the early game they can just about seal a win in the opening of 1941 IMO.

In all honesty in this game ive been very confused by what the Soviet player is doing/his grand strategy.


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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn13 - 8/5/2016 2:51:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ice

Only 2nd game?....you are going to gamer to be feared.
What map is that..it doesnt look like a Jison?


It's the Redmarkus place name map mod. Even though I recognize the skill of Jison's work, I dislike his maps and the counters even more. Was the same for John Tiller games.

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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn13 - 8/5/2016 9:33:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chaos45

Germany is all about sticking the opening- the first 3-4 turns as Germany are the most critical IMO...the way this game works you know if you still have a chance or not as Germany very early.

If the Soviet player can buy just a couple turns extra in the early game they can just about seal a win in the opening of 1941 IMO.

In all honesty in this game ive been very confused by what the Soviet player is doing/his grand strategy.




I don't play Soviets so I cannot really comment, but Darbymcd has basically evacced all his industry successfully (apart from Leningrad and a small number of HI/Arms points). He wanted to try this strategy and I think it has merit as he as very few industry losses.

You saw how much I am delayed in the South...

But, and the but is big, he underestimated how fast I could make his central sector crumble, and from very early on he was way behind the curve in front of Moscow. Also, not putting some sort of cheap speedbump at Leningrad was a mistake. Instead of defending the Luga with what he had, it would have been better to abandon that and put more stuff inside the city and to protect Janis/Sviritsa to at least delay me.

With some tweaking and more prudent play, I think delaying the Axis player in the South like Darbymcd is focusing, can make for a very acceptable 1941 for Soviets?



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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn13 - 8/5/2016 1:24:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aditia- The Problem is if he loses Moscow he prolly loses the game....not to mention losing leningrad that fast is a massive hit to his army strength in the early game....leningrad is like 1 Soviet division per turn in manpower in the early game...so the longer you hold it the better.

Also the South is an axis playground in 1942...so its more key to hold the bad ground in north/center where the terrain+ your crappy Soviet units can actually stop the Axis in 1942...in the south the clear ground will be taken by the axis period. So even if you hold the south in 1941 you will lose it in 1942....and in all honesty if you lose moscow in 1941 then the south in 1942 you lose the game.


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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn14 - 8/5/2016 8:23:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Noted Chaos. For my next game I would like to try Soviets really, I have always liked defending more than attacking.

1 turn before I go drinking:

Turn 14. Very eventful..

In the North I easily start rolling up his line. I over committed here, but the upside is that it looks like I will have very short lines when that is done.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn14 - 8/5/2016 8:26:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The big event is at Moscow.
The HQBU'ed PzCorps that must have looked as to start a direct assault, finds the Northern flank held by only 1 flimsy hex and can go all the way around to link up with Manstein's short southern thrust. In the process I cruise through the 10,000 square mile aerodrome east of Moscow, finding fuel all over:






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn14 - 8/5/2016 8:28:06 PM   
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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn14 - 8/5/2016 8:29:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		At Kursk I close the pocket and it seems I was able to get most of the threatened units trapped:






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn14 - 8/5/2016 8:36:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the south I think I lied about doing HQBU last turn. I remember now, I did not do it south (as I should have), but that meant I could do the Corps at Moscow which has resulted in cutting off the city. So, lucky mistake I guess :)

In the south I now have the AP to do the HQBU and I position the Corps 'inconspicuously' for a strike south to dislodge the Red Army at Z-town. He should know the signs by now. If Panzers only do so much in a turn, chances are good that HQBU has taken place. At Poltava the 2 Pz Div.'s that arrive on turn13 have unloaded their machines at the railhead. After it was clear that I had sufficient strength at Moscow, I have been railing all reinforcements south.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn14 - 8/5/2016 8:39:35 PM   
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An FBD should finish the first loop south of Mogilev next turn, with help of the Const. Bn.'s of one of the RHG commands.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn14 - 8/5/2016 10:53:38 PM   
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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn14 - 8/6/2016 2:14:44 AM   
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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn15 - 8/6/2016 10:19:29 PM   
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Turn 15

3 more turns of good weather.

In the north I hope to complete rolling up his line and establish a short front before mud hits. All armor is still committed at Moscow though, so it is a job for the infantry.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn15 - 8/6/2016 10:21:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Moscow should be secured next turn. No need to assault now, when I can do it next turn against an isolated garrison.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn15 - 8/6/2016 10:23:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Kursk pocket gets opened by 2 deliberate attacks against a motorised regiment.

The units wont survive, but this buys a crucial turn for the defence of Voronezh






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn15 - 8/6/2016 10:26:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Darbymcd did not evacuate his forces on the Dnepr bend. He had some good units defending his northern flank, but the timely arrival of the 2 fresh Pz Div.'s ensures doom for those troops as well:






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn15 - 8/6/2016 10:30:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		The attacks down south did come at a hefty price; even though I always manually select airgroups for bombing (and supply) missions, twice the selected fighter groups did not sortie and I lost most of the Stukas of VIII Flieger Corps (I moved VIII flieger corps south at turn 3 to help with the mass of Red Army there):

Since Stuka production is quite pitiful, this hurts. Much more than the scores of Ju-88's that have been shot down over the summer.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn15 - 8/6/2016 10:32:54 PM   
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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn15 - 8/6/2016 10:33:42 PM   
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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn15 - 8/6/2016 10:35:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Finally, the supply situation south of Moscow.

I cannot push further east of Moscow as I moved the FBD there when it reached Rhzev






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn16 - 8/6/2016 10:43:21 PM   
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2 more turns of good weather.

In the North I launch the southern attack to clear the Red Army west of Yaroslav. This will not be completed before mud hits which is a pain, but well worth it imho considering how short my lines will be, giving me room to put together an assault army and put it in strategic or at least opertational reserve for the winter.

Edit: An important piece of advice for new players.

Look at the highlight at the bottom left. I had 3 units stacked in Rhzev, which prevented auto repair Bn.'s to go there..
Try to avoid stacking units on damaged rail, even though it can look neat/historical to have units in cities as to not impede your auto rail repair.

For me, this loss of a turn is rather important as I needed the autorepair to continue north of Rhzev to help supply.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn16 - 8/6/2016 10:46:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Moscow easily falls. I do the assaults with overkill; more or less a celebratory overkill assault to reward the landsers for all their efforts. Not so good for efficiency, but my mission on this front is accomplished for the summer anyway.

I highlight Gorky in the north east as it has a lot of industry.

I did want to create 1 or 2 small pockets to destroy on the last turn of summer, but instead I create some guard units as I get some unexpected holds.








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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn16 - 8/6/2016 10:49:26 PM   
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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn16 - 8/6/2016 10:53:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		East of Kharkov, I form one more pocket in the south. I could have succeeded in getting 6 more divisions, crippling his sector here, but that would have been impossible to make secure, providing the prospect of complications during mud. I want something that I can simply destroy on turn 17 and go for the smaller pocket.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn16 - 8/6/2016 10:57:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the sea of Azov, I close the door on the group of forces that have been on the Dnepr bend since the start of game, no point in letting them rejoin the main force. They will have port/beachhead supply though, so they may be there a while. There are some strong units in there, so am glad I cut them off.

Just like in the far north, I start another operation that will run into mud. I feel making a play for the 3 Stalino cities has to be tried to deny my opponent an anchor in the south that can be strengthened over the mud period.






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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn16 - 8/6/2016 11:01:28 PM   
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RE: Aditia vs. Darbymcd Turn16 - 8/6/2016 11:03:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have started to use the Rumanian Air Force to attack the Red Airforce in the Crimean.

No real strategic purpose, just to give them experience and inflict losses.






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