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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 8/24/2016 6:54:04 PM

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1/11/42

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Malaya
He seems to be waiting for something. A lot of units at JB, but no movement on Singers just yet.

India
He lands 2 divisions (that were on Java at one time) at Trincomalee. I had nothing but the fort there so he easily took the base. I doubt I'll get the troops off Ceylon, but maybe I can delay him.
KB raids along the western coast finding little.
6th Australian arrives in a few days. The Queen is waiting, but I'll need to make sure the KB is gone before I try to push them in.

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1) Curious and curiosity.

You are playing Dababes with stacking limit restrictions / extra penalties (??)

So what have you got in Singers ? What kind of supply are you eating through ?

Essentially is he simply convinced its easier to wait you out till you have no water i.e. real life surrender of Singers.

2) Wow..

I am under the impression/ personal opinion that a Ceylon invasion requires some back stream base support for long term IJN success and is best not completed 'early because its possible'

That back stream support primarily being; (1) Port Blair and (2) Akylab / Cox Bazar for example. Supply lines and retreat lines. AF bases for squadron transfers.

I could of course be completely wrong.

Your opinion ?

What is your situ specifically at Port Blair / Akylab

Argh...post eaten.

Short answer, I think he is using the troops he needs for singers elsewhere. I have about 65k supply, not sure of the burn rate. Forts approaching 4.

Port Blair is his. Akyab is mine, but unoccupied.

He just landed at the 2 bases halfway between Madras and Calcutta with 2 rgt, at madrass with 2 div, and the second base from the southern tip on the west side with 1 div (from Ceylon)
Still working on what I think of it all.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 8/24/2016 8:58:29 PM

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Hmmm ...

2 Division at Madras / 2 Regiments on the coastal roads of India / 2 more Divisions and support in Ceylon / 1 Regiment and support Port Blair occupied AND the IJN KB patrolling the west coast of India trying to sink merchants and troop transport ships.

Troops in Malaya sitting in bases close to rail lines into Burma.

No troops on the doorstep at Singers.

Just speculation on my part but I might hazard a guess on an all Japan / China / India greater prosperity sphere.

If he is waiting you out in Singers counting on supply burn rate - and the KB and other vessels are in the Indian Ocean - you should be able to sneak some low value xAKs / TK into port. Combine whatever brigades / divisions you have / supply up / counter attack to lessen his momentum in India.

You must have opportunity at Canton / Baker / Tarawa / Malleope and or Guadalcanal / Shortlands / Rabul ?

Maybe even Wake / Guam ? Albeit these are an uncomfortable stretch.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 8/29/2016 7:24:30 PM

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Hmmm ...

2 Division at Madras / 2 Regiments on the coastal roads of India / 2 more Divisions and support in Ceylon / 1 Regiment and support Port Blair occupied AND the IJN KB patrolling the west coast of India trying to sink merchants and troop transport ships.

Troops in Malaya sitting in bases close to rail lines into Burma.

No troops on the doorstep at Singers.

Just speculation on my part but I might hazard a guess on an all Japan / China / India greater prosperity sphere.

If he is waiting you out in Singers counting on supply burn rate - and the KB and other vessels are in the Indian Ocean - you should be able to sneak some low value xAKs / TK into port. Combine whatever brigades / divisions you have / supply up / counter attack to lessen his momentum in India.

You must have opportunity at Canton / Baker / Tarawa / Malleope and or Guadalcanal / Shortlands / Rabul ?

Maybe even Wake / Guam ? Albeit these are an uncomfortable stretch.

Rabaul is still mine... though he has just dropped troops there. It will be close, but may not be enough. The first attack failed to drop down the puny size 2 forts.

I have just raided the marshalls with my CVs - managed to sink a couple of xAKLs. Though on their way back they managed a CL and a pair of DDs. I ran them hard though and they need a few weeks of upkeep. Sara and Lex are enroute to Pearl now to take over.

Australian cruisers have taken up residence around Rabaul. One TF managed to beat up a few DDs (none will sink, but probably a mission kill) for one DD mission killed on my side.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/1/2016 1:38:45 AM

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1/11/42

West Coast
Convoys forming up to send gas and supplies to Pearl. About 100k just arrived, and another 100k gas just left LA.

Pacific
Yorktown and Saratoga hit the Marshal Islands managing to sink a couple of unlucky xAKLs off Jaluit. A moment of terror on the way home as a RO sub launches 6 fish at Yorktown, but we get away clean.
I attempted to strike Johnston enroute back to Pearl and got way more adventure than bargained for. First the CVs run into a lone CL. The cruiser escorts manage to pound him down for no hits to me. Later in the day SBDs manage to put him down for good along with a pair of DDs that were "dead in the water". Curious. Is he out of gas in the area? And why can't my SBDs barely hit what is in effect nothing more than a target barge?

California is nearly finished with its system damage. I'll have to move her to a proper shipyard soon. Arizona is a few months away. Maryland is 4 or 5 days out of Balboa... and suffers another flooding causality. She is the most stressful boat. Every few days she goes up 10 points of minor flood damage, then slowly repairs it - followed by another 10 point causality. Just a few more days. Fingers crossed. West Virginia is a few days behind Maryland (8 days out, I think).

Philippines
The paratroopers that took Laoag have been evicted. Otherwise nothing.

Malaya
Still nothing.

DEI
Same

China
He is pushing toward Lanchow from both the east and south. Tienshui falls. Lanchow is moderately defended. They won't win, but maybe will destroy some of the oil.

Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukuoka were all hit causing light damage to the facilities and some minor shipping from B17s flying from Wenchow. He finally tired of this and sent some Betties over. The don't do much... the real shame is the AGV was already enroute here, but got there a day late. The next day he does massive sweeps. The AVG goes a bit better than 1:1 shooting down nearly 20 zeros, but losing just shy of that number themselves. Only 2 pilots lost on the day (and I don't know if either were AVG), so not too bad.
For now, I need to abandon Wenchow until I can get some AA there. I am disturbed to find that I can't airlift Chinese guns from the Changsha area (size is fine, I can't even select the unit), so they have to walk. I am also sending in a British AA unit that I can airlift from India. I am also toying with sending one from the PI via PBYs, but haven't even looked to see if that is possible yet.

India
His India adventure puzzles me. After taking Trincomalee and Jaffna on Ceylon, he is moving very cautiously toward Colombo. I haven't been able to get anything off the island yet, so Colombo is reasonably well defended.

On the subcontinent he has landed at Madras, Goa, and the 2 bases between Madras and Calcutta. So far no movement that I've seen on Calcutta. He has mostly cut off the southern tip, but I don't have much of anything down there - I'm not concerned.
He has used paratroopers to land on the many unoccupied bases north of Madras, creating a long thin line of bases connected by rail. This is the part that confuses me the most. Why do this? Sure it creates a rail head deep in India, but it is vulnerable from both flanks. To that end, I've already started sending forces to the bases behind his bow wave. Warangal is the first to be reached, and will be attacked this turn.
I'll try to get a picture up in the next day or so.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/7/2016 4:37:05 PM

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Sitrep in India
Attached is a map of India along with my best guess as to who is where.
Not showen is about 1000 AV at Bombay including the British 18th (with a womping 42 experience!) and the 2 large armor brigades that are still rebuilding. Also not showen is his forces that landed at Chittagong and are moving roughly to Calcutta.

Basically, Calcutta has been written off. There is a defense there that will hopefully tear up some of the industry. But I won't be able to hold it, and I don't want to risk sending any additional forces.

Up at Allahabad, the 6th Australian is assembling (one bde just arrived and should be unpacked tomorrow) as well as the 48th Gurkhas. These are most of my experienced forces in theater.
In this area the bulk of the Japanese 42nd Regiment has chased a small Bn into Allahabad. My hope is that he continues to pursue and runs smack into a dug in reinforced division. Should this come to pass, I will counter attack to smash the regiment before railing off. I have no issues letting him have the plains (good counter attack country when I get some more forces!), but it would be nice to smash his nose in a bit first.

Back over by Bombay, the 4th Division just took Poona, and now appears to be heading east. To the east my other experienced troops of the 7th Armor Bde just ambushed his 1st Tank Rgt and sent them reeling back into the rough. I am pursing for now hoping to smash them good. I'll go as far as the junction of the major rail line with the yellow road, where they will dig in and wait the 4th Division to do something. Hopefully, I can get some of forces currently in Allahabad up here to support. At any rate a nearly full TO&E and some actual experience in x3 terrain should make a rough go for him if I can get there.

In the middle, the rail line from Bezwada to Jubbulpore has been taken by small fragments of a SNLF. I have since pushed back with a rag tag group of "armored units" headlined by the 43rd Cavalry and their now impressive 6 (6!) experience. The rail has been cut in several places, which should slow supplies moving north. He will need to clean this area back out before he can reliably push further north. Nothing I have here can give him any trouble once he brings some guns to bear, but he will have to bring them, and hopefully keep them, as I dodge in and off the rail line.

At sea, the KB currently has taken up residence off Oman preventing any reinforcement from Aden or Abadan. Previously, he came up with a CL and pair of DDs. They got an empty xAP West Point retiring from bring in the 6th Australian and damaged a few others. However a prowling cruiser squadron of mine found him and put the CL down. The Indomitable, also providing over watch for the move, joined in and got 1 of the DDs. Knowing the KB would return soon, we then scattered like cockroaches back to Aden and Abadan, which is where we sit now. I need to get the ships at Abadan over to Aden to move the 7th Australian when they arrive in a week or so, but right now I can't risk it.

In other news
He has finally tired of my antics from Wenchow. Now he is sweeping and bombing every day, and even sending in a pair of BBs a few times a week for good measure. I guess there is no kill like overkill! Most of my A/C have been flown out, though there are still about half a dozen B17Ds I'd still like to get out. I'm always happy when the empire is forced to use BBs.

The remaining B17s flew off to Singapore where they have been set to LowN bombing (we agreed it is acceptable in this game). So far they have managed to put down a loaded tanker and an xAK or 3. Shame I can't buy out the Dutch Heffalumps and send them there. They will die in Borneo.

Off Luzon, Boise along with 3 Dutch CLs get into a scrap with some Japanese cruisers. They trade inconsequential hits and move on. He has started sweeping central Luzon. An air battle yesterday goes 2:1 in his favor - the first true engagement in the air here. He has also taken a pair of northern bases with paras. Needing to release the stacking limit around Clark, I send a division up here to investigate. I haven't seen any ships bringing in reinforcements yet, so I'd like to dis-establish this beach head if possible.

At Rabaul, a pair of commonwealth cruiser squadrons managed to get some licks in on a Japanese one. One even got in among some transports, but somehow they escaped with minimal damaged (after dropping off reinforcements! Damn bonus, 1 phase lands a whole Rgt). The reinforcements were enough to put him over the top and take the base. Now that he has uncontested air cover, I'll have to pull back and let him have the upper Solomon�s.

Sara and Lex are one day from their jump off position, so far unspotted...

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/8/2016 6:38:15 PM

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In a game I had to shelve back in 2013 njp72 did exactly the same thing .. I huddled in Karachi .. I did get the reinforcements from Aden in ..
But things never really developed to the mid game due to my commitments ....

A demonstration elsewhere while the KB is committed to prevent reinforcement will move the KB away ..but you know this :)

This strategy does preclude a Burma invasion but .. it leaves the rest of the world wide open ..

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/8/2016 7:05:12 PM

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This strategy does preclude a Burma invasion but .. it leaves the rest of the world wide open ..

You certainly echo my thoughts Ser Crackaces.

I am unfamiliar with many AARs this committed to an Imperial Co-prosperity sphere in the orient (other than an Auto-victory where everything went bad).

I would 'think' that such an overarching strategy requires two critical components (??)

1) Still needs Singapore.

Perhaps even more so to protect the southern flank.

2) A shallow Pacific Line of defense must be incredibly strong / interlocked.

Does India produce enough HI LI and Oil Fuel supplies to supplement the HI if the southern flank is exposed ? Don't you need Calcutta / Chittatong / et al in an all in India plan ?

To allow the Allies to hold the Pacific i.e. Rabul into 1942 or through 1942 gives an Allied command incredible flexibility at attack at points. Its sets up very forward sub bases as the Allied subs get stronger and better. It sets up allowing the Allied player to get into the Mariana's 'too early' i.e. within strategic bombing range or strong Carrier base range to the HI is incredibly dangerous. Or it sets up attacking through DEI to have bases to decimate oil / supply shipping to the HI.

An all out India may be a nice prize from a "tactical victory point' of view but... at what cost to the Pacific ring of defense ?

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/8/2016 8:55:07 PM

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Problem is, this doesn't seem to be an India only gambit. njp has a very good understanding of the allied OOB. He is attacking in areas that the allies simply can't defend - and doing it quickly. The only 2 places the allies can put up any kind of a fight this early would be Singapore and Luzon - and he is not wasting time or resources on them. He knows he can just starve them out. I got some supply into both, but nothing he can't wait out.

India appears to be his big "phase 2" objective, but:
I've only spotted 3 divisions plus about 2 more worth of regiments... is he planning something else? I dare not strip the west coast or Pearl just in case.
He has taken all the DEI except Singapore and Luzon. He also has taken northern Oz and just got Rabaul. He still owns Johnston. He also has Amchitka up in the Aleutians.
So it is hard to see what he is ignoring. Sure he is slow rolling New Guinea and the Solomon�s... but with Rabaul lost he can afford to take his time here. There are no airbases I can use (except PM), so I can't protect surface forces. Even if I did have bases, I have no fighter force to speak of any way. And it is too far from everything to sustain any kind of forces until I can set up a logistics chain.
Gilberts are moving slow, but same issue there. Plus he has Canton, Baker, and Johnston to early observe my movements.

So what does this cost him? Nothing if I can't make him pay. And making him pay is very difficult. Without air cover, I can't support naval forces. Without naval forces, I can't prevent landings.

Of course, it doesn't come without costs to him. India has plenty of industry, but no gas. He can't get to the ME, so he will have to ship it from the DEI. Any supply produced will have to then be shipped back to the empire. This would be less efficient than shipping gas directly from the DEI to the HI. He is also using a lot of gas for his navy operating off Karachi.

He has also has a large front in India to cover. This can make him vulnerable to a concentrated counterattack once I can get some forces in theater.

And if he doesn't build up in the Solomon�s, Gilberts, Wake, etc, he can end up in real trouble in '43.

Sadly, my gambit to bomb Truk comes to nothing as my CVs are spotted 1 day out (in the PM phase!). The really sad part was that had I planned the logistics better, I could have done a full length speed run and hit it this past turn, but I simply don't have the gas to do that. I'll pull back for now and try again once the tankers arrive (in about a week).

As for other ways to make him pay, some options I'm considering (assuming the KB stays near India):
Move on the Gilberts in March, back fill to Baker and Canton
CV raid on Hokkaido
Kurile adventure in spring

Any thoughts?

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/14/2016 5:01:41 PM

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As for other ways to make him pay, some options I'm considering (assuming the KB stays near India):

Move on the Gilberts in March, back fill to Baker and Canton

Sounds like a very good idea.

The IJN holding Johnston Island cuts off direct SLOC to Tarawa, Aielingling (spelling??) and every good island in between >> to/from Pearl Harbor.

However if you are able to grab them, hold them, supply them, and get your Hawaiian / Marine air-forces in operation you in turn have cut off Johnson and any deep run into the south east Pacific. Further your supply task forces to Australia from the West Coast get 'just that little bit easier'. Base Forces / USAAF Base forces / Defense Battalions / and some Inf / Arm should be available to get 3-4 of the better islands ? i.e. the ones with 30000 stacking limits.

While he is taking his time in New Guinea - you probably have Port Moesby and Milne Bay locked up? Rabul can be a fortress but those bases make a Coral Sea advance easier on 'both sides' i.e. Buna/Lae and Guadalcanal/Shortlands...

Nicely written by the way - nice to see your new game perspective.

Please drop me a PM if I am "too busy" in you AAR.

Warm regards

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/14/2016 8:19:32 PM

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The IJN holding Johnston Island cuts off direct SLOC to Tarawa, Aielingling (spelling??) and every good island in between >> to/from Pearl Harbor.

Johnston is only 6k stacking, and (assuming his CVs stay away), will be assaulted shortly after Lex and Sara get back from bombing Truk.

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However if you are able to grab them, hold them, supply them, and get your Hawaiian / Marine air-forces in operation you in turn have cut off Johnson and any deep run into the south east Pacific. Further your supply task forces to Australia from the West Coast get 'just that little bit easier'. Base Forces / USAAF Base forces / Defense Battalions / and some Inf / Arm should be available to get 3-4 of the better islands ? i.e. the ones with 30000 stacking limits.

It's still only Feb. I still don't have forts big enough yet to scrounge up too much without risking a move on Hawaii or the west coast. I have started prepping units for some operations though. I hope to start moving some stuff out in a month or so.

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While he is taking his time in New Guinea - you probably have Port Moesby and Milne Bay locked up? Rabul can be a fortress but those bases make a Coral Sea advance easier on 'both sides' i.e. Buna/Lae and Guadalcanal/Shortlands...

Problem is there is nothing there. I bought out the 2nd Australian division to occupy Noumea. I would love to get something further north to establish an air base to provide figther cover to some good Australian / British naval units in the area, but alas, I have no fighters yet. And I'm hesitant to put something small and exposed that he can take.

No, SOPAC is going to be slow. I'm still in the process of setting up my logistics, so it will be a while. I'm going to occupy Noumea and build it up into a fort. Fiji will be next. In the mean time I will clean up the eastern Pacific, and if possible, occupy the sourthern Gilberts.
But this is secondary. Unless the situition changes, my move will be north. I'll occupy one or two Kurile islands, then withdraw all but a token garrison plus some engineers and av support. CVs will wait in the wings if he chooses to resist with BBs. Should he send over CVs, he can have it all back (but it will buy me time in the IO).
If he lets me build, I get a base to strike Hokkaido and get some VPs. If he goes in with just surface forces, CVs should be able to extract a toll. If he brings his CVs back to contend, I can reclaim the IO and help releave the pressure in India.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/14/2016 8:34:35 PM

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Early Allied strategy, hit them where they ain't and stay out of the way of the KB.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/15/2016 4:56:15 PM

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For the last several days, a naval battle has been raging off Legaspi. Boise and 3 Dutch CLs have been taking on multiple IJN surface TFs (including BB Mutsu, 2 CAs, and a few CLs) and at least 2 invasion forces. The fighting opened with B17s landing 2 hits on Shoho, though it appears only causing light damage. The cruiser force moved in and engaged multiple IJN surface forces for a few days, but couldn't break through to the landing forces. Tonight thy manage to get into the landing beaches and rough up a few transports - but nowhere near enough. B17s manage to hit another, but alas, he gets 4 units ashore (plus the paras that took the base a few days ago to provide CAP for the landing).
Now though, I've spent my surface force. Boise and Tromp each have about 50 sys, plenty of flood and some engine damage (and Boise is still on fire), though should be able to make wherever they need to go so long as they don't get hit again. The other 2 Dutch CLs have life left (but no ammo). I'd like to save these ships if at all possible as they have skyrocketed experience, but I can't figure out where to go.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/15/2016 8:16:41 PM

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Don't plan on repairing damage until you get far away. I would try Balikpapan for fuel, then Melbourne or Sydney.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/15/2016 9:11:31 PM

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Don't plan on repairing damage until you get far away. I would try Balikpapan for fuel, then Melbourne or Sydney.

Luzon is an island of green in a sea of red. No friendly land until Townsville or Cape Town. My plan was to fight them until spent - I'd written them off long ago. Boise is spent. I'm just hoping for just a bit more magic from her.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/15/2016 9:22:48 PM

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Don't plan on repairing damage until you get far away. I would try Balikpapan for fuel, then Melbourne or Sydney.

Luzon is an island of green in a sea of red. No friendly land until Townsville or Cape Town. My plan was to fight them until spent - I'd written them off long ago. Boise is spent. I'm just hoping for just a bit more magic from her.

I don't think the game models purposeful ramming - you can only accidentally ram your own side's vessels!

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/16/2016 5:06:51 AM

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I don't think the game models purposeful ramming - you can only accidentally ram your own side's vessels!

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/22/2016 2:07:25 PM

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Great AAR, as an Allied player I guess you're doing an excellent job vs. a very competent player. In any case you're getting the first Allied goal: don't get discouraged

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/22/2016 4:41:03 PM

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I would try to run all the supply and any other surprises you can into the Phil and Singapore while he is tilting at windmills elsewhere. Sooner or later he MUST double back and clear these out. One great surprise is to sneak some Banshees or for that matter SBDs back into the Phil. There are many places you can dance them around to and they can cause a lot of damage. It also goes without saying that your CVs should be causing lots of mid or north Pacific distraction if you know KB safely out of your hair elsewhere. I have burned down several northern Japanese cities with old battleships in Feb '42 where KB off arrogantly playing elsewhere. Loko?? did a VERY successful carrier raid in same time frame against northern Japan.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/22/2016 6:23:58 PM

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Great AAR, as an Allied player I guess you're doing an excellent job vs. a very competent player. In any case you're getting the first Allied goal: don't get discouraged

Thanks, but I'm not so sure about that. He landed at Surat, now loosely surrounding Bombay. And I also see recon of Karachi now. I don't think I have enough AV there if he brings the house.

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I would try to run all the supply and any other surprises you can into the Phil and Singapore while he is tilting at windmills elsewhere. Sooner or later he MUST double back and clear these out. One great surprise is to sneak some Banshees or for that matter SBDs back into the Phil. There are many places you can dance them around to and they can cause a lot of damage. It also goes without saying that your CVs should be causing lots of mid or north Pacific distraction if you know KB safely out of your hair elsewhere. I have burned down several northern Japanese cities with old battleships in Feb '42 where KB off arrogantly playing elsewhere. Loko?? did a VERY successful carrier raid in same time frame against northern Japan.

Already done in the PI, but it is nearly impossible to get anything more in. Just too many bases to pass. The Banshees did get a few transports, including an LST. But he is now well established at Legaspi. I caused some problems, but it is now time to turtle up. I do have level 5 forts at Clark, so that should help some. As for singers... if I can get the 2 surviving dutch DDs over to it (from the PI), I'll raid P-bang when I see tankers there.

At this point, I think it is a Norpac Easter. Though the 27th has a little more in mind than a CV raid. I need to pull the KB from squatting off Karachi. I have the reinforcements waiting in Aden and the surface forces to force them through. I just don't have anything approaching adequate aircover if the KB is nearby.
I nearly got them through a few days ago while he was at Surat, but alas, I chickened out at the last minute when he took the base (freeing his CVs). Good thing I did.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/22/2016 7:44:18 PM

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Already done in the PI, but it is nearly impossible to get anything more in. Just too many bases to pass. The Banshees did get a few transports, including an LST. But he is now well established at Legaspi. I caused some problems, but it is now time to turtle up. I do have level 5 forts at Clark, so that should help some. As for singers... if I can get the 2 surviving dutch DDs over to it (from the PI), I'll raid P-bang when I see tankers there.

Well, I don't want to go in depth for I'm reading njp72 AAR too, but I'd be careful with reinforcing areas that are lost in long terms. Banshee are OK because they will be withdrawn anyway IIRC but if you're not playing with Auto victory you could hold on saving the all important B-17, P-38 etc. and training pilots. My guess is you're playing with the old map so Aden and Abadan are connected are you?

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/22/2016 9:14:34 PM

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I'm a contrarian to Adsoul's views. Tell me what you have for forts/supply/AV in Sing & Clark? (I always make my stand in Manila).

If heading north start your scouting early on. There are a couple quick patrol boats with good endurance on west coast/Alaska that I use. Frankly, 8/10 they can scout within 6 hexes of Sendai without ever being spotted. My experience is that most Japanese players neglect search assets in this part of world early on. In the one game I sent 2 CVS along for air cover only for the BBs who did all the damage. I loaded CVs with only fighters. In the end all TFs got in and got out without ever being spotted. In the Loko?? raid I recall that his carrier planes sank a lot of shipping...all I did was burn cities down. If it doesn't bring KB home do it again!!

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/22/2016 9:56:02 PM

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Well, I don't want to go in depth for I'm reading njp72 AAR too, but I'd be careful with reinforcing areas that are lost in long terms. Banshee are OK because they will be withdrawn anyway IIRC but if you're not playing with Auto victory you could hold on saving the all important B-17, P-38 etc. and training pilots. My guess is you're playing with the old map so Aden and Abadan are connected are you?

New map, so they are not connected. Would be easier if they were. The KB sits off the Arabian coast waiting for me to blunder into him.

I was talking more about supply, not units that matter. I did put in a few good pilots for some CAP traps into the PI, but otherwise everything there was restricted and started there or withdraws. I just want him to take as long as possible.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/22/2016 10:12:17 PM

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I'm a contrarian to Adsoul's views. Tell me what you have for forts/supply/AV in Sing & Clark? (I always make my stand in Manila). If heading north start your scouting early on. There are a couple quick patrol boats with good endurance on west coast/Alaska that I use. Frankly, 8/10 they can scout within 6 hexes of Sendai without ever being spotted. My experience is that most Japanese players neglect search assets in this part of world early on. In the one game I sent 2 CVS along for air cover only for the BBs who did all the damage. I loaded CVs with only fighters. In the end all TFs got in and got out without ever being spotted. In the Loko?? raid I recall that his carrier planes sank a lot of shipping...all I did was burn cities down. If it doesn't bring KB home do it again!!

I don't think the 2 views are mutually exclusive. There is a lot of stuff in the PI that either withdraws or is restricted there. You can build a significant defense without reinforcing. IRL they held out until May despite all the success of the IJA elsewhere.

Clark - Forts 5 (x3 terrain), about 30k troops (stacking limit is 40k) - 712 AV.
Manila - Forts 3.42 with 127 engineers building to 4 (x2 terrain). 23k troops - 703 AV.
Bataan - Forts 3 (x3 terrain), 25k troops (SL 45k) - 166 AV
Supply is a bit north of 25k between the 3 bases and about 2k around the north (small garrisons to prevent his damn paradrops)... so not much to mess around with.

My challenge is to make him pay at Manila, but not have the retreat overstack me at clark.

Thinking aloud here, perhaps I can pull back from Clark, then rotate them in from Bataan once he takes Manila.

As for up north, I don't want him to start suspecting anything. I have a few subs looking for search planes. I don't want to send surface ships because I think that would tip him off. At any rate, it won't matter... he either reinforced quickly early on (no sigint on that having happened) or he hasn't. If he hasn't, I'll gain a foot hold in the Kuriles. At that point he can either come home, or face 4Es over Hokkaido. Just need to wait for the PPs to buy out the necessary units.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/23/2016 2:23:53 PM

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Limited counter attacks may be possible in the Philippines as a possibility ?

I suppose that it depends upon which hex (s) he has stacked up.

In the PI the longer you hold out a few more reinforcements arrive. I recall GMC armored units (or some such thing). A vet of the board can correct me here on OOB.

However if the seeming strategy is to wait you out to burn supply there may be a few hexes where you can attack / make Japan retreat / and inevitably get some little supply from the hex and the added benefit of no over stacking penalties.

At least in the PI you have 3 perhaps 4 hex directions to counter attack in as opposed to Singers where it is literally "one direction" only.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 9/25/2016 12:08:28 AM

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You do have big gonads!!....I like!!....the plan that is. I would bet you a good bottle of scotch that it's safe to do a surface scout. Send a couple other places also so he thinks part of general lunacy versus any real planeg Wake/Kwajalein etc. I just don't find that subs scouting tell you much about naval search...tells you whether he has ASW at patrols.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 10/3/2016 8:55:48 PM

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3/24/42

Bad news first. India is still a mess. I need to get the Aussie 7th there, as well as their support units (plus fighters, recon A/C, some bombers would be nice, etc). I tried to move in a week ago, but he hid the KB up off Oman. He hit a pair of British BBs. They need work, but will be ok. The transports we a day behind and were never even spotted.
I did finally get a British cat squadron. They landed safely at Socotra a few days ago and are assembling now. I am desperate for naval search in this area.

Good news, operation Pin Wheel has commenced. Johnston Island has been retaken. Currently all assault and surface combat shipping is returning to Pearl. In the days leading up, I have noted several instances of heavy radio traffic at Truk and Kwajalein. I suspect a mini KB or similar is at one of these 2 places. To that end, Enterprise and Yorktown have taken station west of Johnston in case he rushes in. Hornet will join them in about a week. Next up is Canton. Baker and Tarawa have troops prepared as well, but those are on hold for now.

Planning for Operation Wheatgrass is in full swing. Details to follow, but hoping for kickoff in about 2 weeks.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 10/3/2016 8:57:23 PM

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Limited counter attacks may be possible in the Philippines as a possibility ?

No... attacks use up too much supply. The only thing I want the Philippines to do is cost him time. Losses he can afford, so no point in making it quicker for him. Let him break down the forts.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 10/3/2016 9:07:28 PM

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You do have big gonads!!....I like!!....the plan that is. I would bet you a good bottle of scotch that it's safe to do a surface scout. Send a couple other places also so he thinks part of general lunacy versus any real planeg Wake/Kwajalein etc. I just don't find that subs scouting tell you much about naval search...tells you whether he has ASW at patrols.

They seem to do ok. They are giving me an idea where the KB is. Also, he appears to have good search in the South China Sea, Yellow Sea, and near southern Japan. Nothing yet up north. He probably has something, but not as much as he should.
I really don't want him to do anything there yet. The nearest AF (bigger than size 1 - which can't launch attacks) is Bihoro.

I want him to see nothing. Crickets. Until it is too late for him to do anything.

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 10/5/2016 5:22:53 AM

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Operation Wheatgrass:

Here is my current plan for Operation Wheatgrass. The objective is to seize 2 Kurile Islands in an effort to force him to respond. Once the islands are seized, most combat forces will be withdrawn. Once he gets serious about retaking them, what can be saved with subs and float planes will be.
In order to get the KB to respond, 2 CVs will remain in or near the op area. If he uses surface only forces, the CVs can move in. Should the mini KB show up, my CVs should be able to inflict significant damage to them. A 3rd CV will support the initial phases.
In addition, phase I will also occupy Attu, Adak, and Cold Bay to build up an air bridge to fly forces in from North America.
Phase II will liberate Amchitka. I'm not thrilled with this last part, but I need to kick the op off shortly, and the Amchitka force won't be ready for about a month.
Phase I will launch in about 6 days.

13 TFs will participate in the operation
TFs Rhino (Lex & Sara) and Badger (Hornet) will provide air cover for the Kurile and Aleutians
TF Tiger (2 CAs) will bombard Amchitka to suppress the air field.
SAG TFs Deathstalker (2 CAs) and Black Mamba (3 CLs) will cover the invasion / occupation forces
SAG Lion (DDs) will screen the Kurile forces

Fast Transport Beatle 1 will bring engineers to Attu in advance of Beatle 2 (Attu) and Honey Bee (Adak). Nothing special is planned for Cold Bay, just a base force to provide AV support for transiting A/C.

TF Spider will carry the Kurile forces where it will split into Tarantula (Assault Onnekotan), Black Widow (assault Shaukotan), Wolf Spider (followup forces for Onnekotan) and Redback (followup forces for Shaukotan).

Air support will be mostly from CVs. Each CV will have:
1 VF (27 A/C)
1 VMF (18 A/C)
1 VS (18 A/C)
1 VB (18 A/C)
1 VT (15 A/C)

A few Cat squadrons will be flown to Attu and supported by AVDs

P40s will be flown in once air fields are established.

Land forces include 2 regiments of the 27th Division, 53rd Sep Inf Rgt, and some defense Bns for muscle. Each base will get a base force with AV support and engineers. Onnekotan Jima will also get a CB Bn some costal guns and the 14th MAG.

Land forces are staging at Pearl and San Fran. The 2 forces will rendezvous NW of Midway Island and begin run in. They will split in the north Pacific about 200 nm west of Attu for their targets.

Any thoughts from the crowd?

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RE: tiemanj (A) vs njp72 (J) - Allied AAR - 10/5/2016 5:42:58 AM

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Do we know where the IJN CV TFs are? ...where and when we last knew.

Subject to above I like it. What can be done to push back in the India or SoPac time zone in conjunction with the above?

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