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Longevity - 10/8/2016 1:36:02 PM   
Cataphract88


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Status: offline 		What is the future of this game? Will it be supported, updated and developed further?

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RE: Longevity - 10/11/2016 11:38:02 PM   
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RE: Longevity - 10/12/2016 4:36:41 AM   
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RE: Longevity - 10/12/2016 4:40:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well you can see similar posts made 4 months ago (mine):

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4099563

and 2 months ago (Kirk23):

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4138493

There was effectively no response to either. Soooo, you can draw your own conclusions. :)

HOPEFULLY someone will take the time to stop by and provide some sort of update but honestly, this game has dropped pretty far off my radar at this point. There just isn't enough there to want to boot it up and try again (ie, there is an easy 'best' strategy that pretty much renders about 50% of the game irrelevant IMO).

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RE: Longevity - 10/12/2016 7:53:43 AM   
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I disagree. I have found myself rapt hours on end playing this game.

Just recently, I deftly used 2 Storm cards, one to break out of Brittany and combine the fleets there, then a 2nd to enter the Channel and force the navy there to retreat, all the while collecting prizes. Lucky rolls of the fleet "battle dice" were also a welcome surprise. Finally, I was able to send over about 17 troops to England, only the 2nd time I have done this. Further, the game did NOT end, as I was expecting it to. I was still at war with Ottoman, but I found the game stay alive many years for me to fell Spain, to prostrate Prussia, invade and conquer Russia, and of course, whack-a-mole to Austria, all without the nuisance of Britain's political points! The game ended after I knocked off Russia, but it was quite late in the game as I was sure the game would end when I did that. The first time I took out Britain, the game ended the next turn! (that was disappointing...)

I find the game enthralling and quite opportunistic with many surprises. It has a pleasantly-odd period feeling, and keeps me busy as much or more than Civilization V. My hearty hats-off to the developers for this gem of a game! I for one look forward to many add-on packs and goodies in the future for this game! I have not been this pleased since waayyy back in the year nineteen ninety-three with "High Command".

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RE: Longevity - 10/12/2016 4:04:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Sheist but understand where Uncle Joe is coming from. Like Sheist I'm still playing the game often and enjoying it. Like Uncle Joe claims there does seem to be a "easy 'best' strategy." But like Sheist I enjoy trying new strategies to see how they may work. Like Uncle Joe I wish Matrix would give the game some tinder loving care. A patch or two (improve the naval aspect, PBEM, etc.) and this solid game (agree with Sheist) could become a classic. Shoot ... the game system even has American Civil War and American Revolution possibilities.

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RE: Longevity - 10/13/2016 2:53:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh wow, I remember "High Command"! It was basically billed as REALLY Advanced Third Reich if I remember correctly. ;)

And don't get me wrong about V&G. I enjoyed it very much the first few games I played (and the first few after the 1.1 patch). But after that, not much feels different every game. Sure I CAN use a weaker strat and try and do things differently just to do, but I'd prefer if the game challenges me to change my strategy rather than relying on me to do something weaker.

I'm not talking about an AI exploit here or anything like that. Just using sound and very basic strategy within the game mechanics. This includes the battles which also became fairly rote after discovering how predictable the AI is there too.

Granted a LOT of this could be solved by adding MP capability and my understanding that that was something on the table at one point. But we really haven't seen much on this title since the 1.1 patch. The KS version of the boardgame has been updated to reflect the fact that due to game design flaws (my interpretation), they were going to move in a different direction with the mechanics rather than effectively porting over the PC game directly. But again, little or no details here since that time.

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RE: Longevity - 10/13/2016 2:56:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nimrod, interestingly, the game that V&G draws its ancestry from is Napoleon in Europe which was an evolution of the Glenn Drover's Civil War game "The American Civil War". The latter game was not well received but was a lot of fun if you polished the rough edges a bit. NiE was basically the same...a brilliant but somewhat underdeveloped game system.

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RE: Longevity - 10/13/2016 1:30:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just got the game a couple of weeks ago and am really enjoying it.

Having always been more of a WWII gamer, the Napoleonic Wars at a strategic level is not something I know much about so this game is nearly perfect for me. I certainly have not yet found that "best" strategy and I'm betting by the time I do I will have gotten my money's worth out of the game.

I'd love to see a Frederick the Great game using this system.

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RE: Longevity - 10/18/2016 1:28:41 PM   
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RE: Longevity - 10/26/2016 1:42:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did the board game version ever get released?

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RE: Longevity - 10/27/2016 5:15:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dorb

Did the board game version ever get released?


Nope it has been delayed to next year.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/635900857/victory-and-glory-napoleon/comments

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RE: Longevity - 12/8/2016 10:16:01 PM   
gdrover

 

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Status: offline 		Hi guys,
Sorry for the long silence. Life has been busy on multiple fronts, including several gaming projects.
One of these is the boardgame, which has made great progress (finally!), and is coming along very well.
We should have some cool stuff to show for our Kickstarter backers in the next week or so.

As for the planned British expansion for V&G: Napoleon (PC), it looks like it will be delayed indefinitely in favor of a new game in the series. I had a ton of design ideas and good feedback from players for changes to the naval sub-game that can go into it, but funding for that project just wasn't forthcoming right now. Economics sometimes trump passion. That isn't to say that we won't do it, just that it is not next on the docket.
We have been hard at work on the next game in the series for a few months now, and it looks like a ton of fun. It WILL be able to be played from both sides from day one.
Our expectation is that it will be ready for announcement and Beta testing in the Spring.

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RE: Longevity - 12/9/2016 6:37:33 AM   
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What kind of funding are we talking here? Just curious, but maybe not only.

Considering the mileage this game has given me, I would hate to see it abandoned. :(


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RE: Longevity - 12/14/2016 3:21:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bought this game and really enjoyed it. The game could be even better if there was continued support. Since gdrover's post indicates that it's unlikely, why would I but a new title from this team and risk the same thing? By the way an excellent game Germany at War: Barbarossa 1941, which is years older than this title, is still being supported.

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RE: Longevity - 12/15/2016 4:17:14 PM   
Cataphract88


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ORIGINAL: stormbringer3

I bought this game and really enjoyed it. The game could be even better if there was continued support. Since gdrover's post indicates that it's unlikely, why would I but a new title from this team and risk the same thing? By the way an excellent game Germany at War: Barbarossa 1941, which is years older than this title, is still being supported.


+1

Exactly what I was thinking!

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RE: Longevity - 12/17/2016 2:00:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Before this game was released I was really looking forward to playing it,and since its release I must say I have enjoyed playing it,but the news that its unlikely to be patch any further is very disappointing to say the least,one thing I would like to do with the game is mod it,but alas I don't as yet know what software programme opens the games data file that would allow me to tweak the game.

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RE: Longevity - 12/20/2016 1:28:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let me clarify:
The game will continue to have support, as in patches and improvements. (Which we have done already).
With regard to a full expansion that changes the way the game is meant to be played, we still want to do that, and very likely will. We just cannot give a date on it at this point.

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RE: Longevity - 12/20/2016 2:18:39 AM   
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Is there anyway to mod the game in the mean time? I would like to be able to tweak the Naval combat settings.

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RE: Longevity - 12/21/2016 1:12:57 AM   
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Is there anyway to mod the game in the mean time? I would like to be able to tweak the Naval combat settings.


In short: no, there is no way to perform such a mod.

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RE: Longevity - 1/17/2017 6:16:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Judging the update concerning the Kickstarter board game conversion, it looks like this design has more or less been scrapped. So I definitely would not hold my breath for any upcoming changes to the game.

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RE: Longevity - 1/19/2017 12:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Uncle_Joe

Judging the update concerning the Kickstarter board game conversion, it looks like this design has more or less been scrapped. So I definitely would not hold my breath for any upcoming changes to the game.


If this game is being superceded by a brand new version,and this game is now going to be totally abandoned ,then I see no reason why we can't be told what programme is required to open the data files so that modders like me can improve this little gem of a game,its truly a shame this game is being left on the shelve to wither and die when its a great game that needs only minor changes made.

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RE: Longevity - 1/19/2017 12:38:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		seems part and parcel of the times we live it atm, and the games we all love and like to play, lack of funding put another one on hold, then opens a door to another, such is life and the way it now seems to be, like it or lump it, it's something that happening more often than not in well all forms or life, so to carry on, we either support, or don't play, for me it's not an issue, as i see everything in the longer term, so what comes out now or later, if fine for me, as long as later isn't never at all.

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RE: Longevity - 1/20/2017 2:34:31 PM   
Cataphract88


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Status: offline 		Because of the way things are going, I hardly buy PC games now. Instead, I play my older games more often than I did, and have started buying board games again.

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RE: Longevity - 4/15/2017 8:49:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		They seem to be making good progress on the board game at least, so hopefully that will free up some time to look at patches to this game.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/635900857/victory-and-glory-napoleon/posts/1839954

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RE: Longevity - 4/15/2017 5:42:15 PM   
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