Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

If we can't get this to work - and frankly I am jiggered if I know how to get those 3 build points to France - then do we just reduce the Axis build points by the same number that the Allies cannot get (but are entitled to under the rules of the game)?

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

If you want, I'll try and have a go but will need some instruction for what has to go to certain destinations and what I can leave to the computer or myself to route anywhere that takes the resources.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

If we can't get this to work - and frankly I am jiggered if I know how to get those 3 build points to France - then do we just reduce the Axis build points by the same number that the Allies cannot get (but are entitled to under the rules of the game)?

I can get those BPs to France. But then I have to reduce the resources/BP to CW. Or I can use extra convoy points to get it all. Previously I have used the extra convoy point variant. But a few times this has cost CW by increasing the Axis chances to find. This time I do not see this as a alternative since CW/France are low on convoy points. I planned for US to aid with the convoy points but if I can not get the US convoy points to be used effectively then the whole CW strategy falls. And US spent US entry points on something completely useless.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Orm

By rerouting. The computer uses less than optimal convoy lines.

But the trouble is that the program often seems to revert to the less than optimal route when another resource is added to the transport net. So when I have freed up enough convoy points to transport another resource from USA to UK and I order it transported the program decides on a less than optimal route and thereby 'stealing' cps from another transported resource and that one either goes idle or 'steals' more convoy points. At several points I have decreased production by adding another resource that I have enough convoy points to transport.

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good news is MWiF's default routing was getting it pretty good.

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Rightly or wrongly, and for that someone more knowledgeable in the rules will have to comment, the problem (as far as I can tell after much trial and error) is MWiF isn't allowing the US CP's to transport the 3 US BP's lent to France. It is, however, allowing US CP's to participate in transporting CW or French resources.

Looking at the rules on trade agreements, this might well be correct, or at least what the programme is implementing.

SHIPMENT
Where possible, these resources (or build points) are transported by rail (see 13.6.1). If this isn’t possible, the recipient must provide the convoys required to receive them (exception: the joint Japan-USA convoy, see above). If the recipient cannot provide the convoys, they do not receive the resources (or build points).

That does seem to go against the wording for the Refute Naval War Zones US Entry Option, however.

32. U.S. Refutes Naval War Zones – The U.S.A. may use its own convoy points to ship any resources and/or builds points that the U.S.A. is lend-leasing to any allied major power. These convoy points may be attacked by Axis units even if they are not at war with the USA.

Which should take precedence?

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Okay Orm, I undid all the CP moves in the Atlantic region and started with making sure the 3 BP Trade Agreement was working. This meant using 3 CW and 1 French CP along the route. MWiF did the rest of the routing without a problem and used the best routes available.

I've got the 3 French BP's arriving and am up to 26/27 CW BP's. To get the final CW one I need to send the Northern Rhodesian resource to UK. This will take 4 CP's if the route goes through Cape St Vincent (and would trigger an Axis search opportunity) or 5 CP's sending it via Central Med. You currently have 7 CP's in reserve.


Do you want me to send out the US CP's on the East Coast to Faeroes run? That should allow you to recover the CW CP's back into your reserve.

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Rightly or wrongly, and for that someone more knowledgeable in the rules will have to comment, the problem (as far as I can tell after much trial and error) is MWiF isn't allowing the US CP's to transport the 3 US BP's lent to France. It is, however, allowing US CP's to participate in transporting CW or French resources.

Looking at the rules on trade agreements, this might well be correct, or at least what the programme is implementing.

SHIPMENT
Where possible, these resources (or build points) are transported by rail (see 13.6.1). If this isn’t possible, the recipient must provide the convoys required to receive them (exception: the joint Japan-USA convoy, see above). If the recipient cannot provide the convoys, they do not receive the resources (or build points).

That does seem to go against the wording for the Refute Naval War Zones US Entry Option, however.

32. U.S. Refutes Naval War Zones – The U.S.A. may use its own convoy points to ship any resources and/or builds points that the U.S.A. is lend-leasing to any allied major power. These convoy points may be attacked by Axis units even if they are not at war with the USA.

Which should take precedence?

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Rightly or wrongly, and for that someone more knowledgeable in the rules will have to comment, the problem (as far as I can tell after much trial and error) is MWiF isn't allowing the US CP's to transport the 3 US BP's lent to France. It is, however, allowing US CP's to participate in transporting CW or French resources.

Looking at the rules on trade agreements, this might well be correct, or at least what the programme is implementing.

SHIPMENT
Where possible, these resources (or build points) are transported by rail (see 13.6.1). If this isn’t possible, the recipient must provide the convoys required to receive them (exception: the joint Japan-USA convoy, see above). If the recipient cannot provide the convoys, they do not receive the resources (or build points).

That does seem to go against the wording for the Refute Naval War Zones US Entry Option, however.

32. U.S. Refutes Naval War Zones – The U.S.A. may use its own convoy points to ship any resources and/or builds points that the U.S.A. is lend-leasing to any allied major power. These convoy points may be attacked by Axis units even if they are not at war with the USA.

Which should take precedence?

Option 32 should take precedence. And unfortunately, that option has bugs in it. I've seen the same problems occuring. The US should be given the opportunity to say if they are using their convoy points for transporting any resources or build points which are send in trade agreements if this option is chosen, before any other allied convoy points will be used. That doesn't happen, I'm afraid.
So I would suggest that you put a gamesave in the tech forum (or in the beta section part of the game), since mine is very old already.