Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

22nd February -43
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We reached the 22nd. There have been absolutely nothing happening lately. We are still recovering from the last attack at Santa Ana. Arty and DD bombardmants are working over the defenders which has now reached almost parity in strength with the allied attackers.

We will this one though. It will be a slow grind though and I don´t mind that one bit.

While the war is quiet elsewhere it doesn´t mean the allies are idle. 80.000 Allied troops have just boarded their ships...stay tuned!

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
How is Ida doing? She was sick a while ago wasn't she?
It sounds like you have recovered from your illness.

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

My, er, "favourite" kid moment was my youngest being exorcist sick in the back of the car.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Got another turn done. Nothing to report. Very, very quiet.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Got another turn done. Nothing to report. Very, very quiet.

You could post a pretty picture of the disruption levels of the troops in Santa Anna or something ...

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Got another turn done. Nothing to report. Very, very quiet.

You could post a pretty picture of the disruption levels of the troops in Santa Anna or something ...

Disruption is pretty close to 0. FAT is still in the 20-30 range for some units. Going to attack again next turn and then start rotating units.

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Ground combat at Santa Ana (226,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 103785 troops, 1897 guns, 4294 vehicles, Assault Value = 3633

Defending force 121170 troops, 1513 guns, 1395 vehicles, Assault Value = 3091

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 1459

Japanese adjusted defense: 1253

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4958 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 172 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 98 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 157 (35 destroyed, 122 disabled)
Vehicles lost 72 (16 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4691 casualties reported
Squads: 90 destroyed, 404 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 106 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 65 disabled
Guns lost 185 (9 destroyed, 176 disabled)
Vehicles lost 110 (17 destroyed, 93 disabled)

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Liberation of Burma
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Tomorrow Allied forces will land at Cox Bazaar! This is a bit risky as the troops are only about 50% prepped. I hope a heavy Allied pre bombardment will soften up the defenders enough to lessen the impact of the landing troops.

Allied SIGINT have confirmed a RTA division, various support troops and a Japanese tank RGT. Barring catastrophic losses in the landing the base should be quickly secured. About 60 Allied ships are ready to ferry in the bulk of the allied army.

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Allied forces
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-1st Marine Division
-2nd, 18th British Division
-6th, 7th and 9th Australian Division
-9th, 17th and 25th Indian division.
-6th Chinese Corp
-7th, 254th and 255th armored Brigade.
-763rd Tank Battalion.

Normally this wouldn´t be nearly enough to liberate Burma. But only 3 Japanese divisions are identified in Burma right now. If the landing succeeds I have no doubt we can achieve the objective within 3 months.

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Objectives
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- To link up with Chinese forces and open up a supply route into the mountains where half the Chinese army is holding up.
- To liberate Rangoon before June 43.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

I disagree that Burma has no strategic value. I think it oozes strategic value.

I also don't understand why you would need Ramree in order to get good supply flow. I've done it easily enough without, or rather - taking it didn't ease my supply crunch in the slightest. The size of bases makes a great deal of difference.


FWIW, I'd never land my Marines at an enemy base with 50% prep. Ever. Ever.

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Japanese ground losses:
4958 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 172 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 98 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 157 (35 destroyed, 122 disabled)
Vehicles lost 72 (16 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4691 casualties reported
Squads: 90 destroyed, 404 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 106 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 65 disabled
Guns lost 185 (9 destroyed, 176 disabled)
Vehicles lost 110 (17 destroyed, 93 disabled)

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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

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Japanese ground losses:
4958 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 172 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 98 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 157 (35 destroyed, 122 disabled)
Vehicles lost 72 (16 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4691 casualties reported
Squads: 90 destroyed, 404 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 106 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 65 disabled
Guns lost 185 (9 destroyed, 176 disabled)
Vehicles lost 110 (17 destroyed, 93 disabled)

I have to say that seems more costly than it should be. What about bombardments?

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2nd RF Gun Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th RF Gun Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
22nd Fld AA Gun Co
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

The RF Gun units will not participate in bombardments - they're AT weapons only.

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Night Naval bombardment of Cox's Bazar at 54,43

Allied Ships
BB Resolution
BB Ramillies
BB Royal Sovereign
BB Revenge
DD Isis
DD Express
DD Nizam
DD Napier
DD Nestor
DD Nepal

Japanese ground losses:
544 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 2 disabled

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

It is quite possible to build up all the border dot bases to max and then stock pile supplies that will propagate toward the Irrawaddy Valley. I have done this twice with 2 AARs. The base build up simply increases the supplies that can be moved. Ramree Island although is really key to getting supplies to propogate with the minimal loss to the attrition algorithms..

I really like this line of attack in that once Rangoon falls.. it's Katy bar the door .. the plains of Thailand offer great ground for armor to thrust into Southeast Asia ..A combined DEI Burma offense is particularly stressful in DBB because of the supply situation ..

Late 1943 Early 1944 this could be over ..

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I also don't understand why you would need Ramree in order to get good supply flow. I've done it easily enough without, or rather - taking it didn't ease my supply crunch in the slightest. The size of bases makes a great deal of difference.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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I also don't understand why you would need Ramree in order to get good supply flow. I've done it easily enough without, or rather - taking it didn't ease my supply crunch in the slightest. The size of bases makes a great deal of difference.

One thing you pointed out size and position of the bases ..

First time I built up every dot base along the border and supply propagated into the Irrawaddy Valley enough to maintain my offense ..
Second time Burma .. I build up bases + took Ramree Island .. I noted my units getting the same amount of supply but less attrition from propagation and Rangoon had more supplies ..

So each situation might have to be taken in context with lots of minute details taken into consideration besides unit supply ..

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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I also don't understand why you would need Ramree in order to get good supply flow. I've done it easily enough without, or rather - taking it didn't ease my supply crunch in the slightest. The size of bases makes a great deal of difference.

One thing you pointed out size and position of the bases ..

First time I built up every dot base along the border and supply propagated into the Irrawaddy Valley enough to maintain my offense ..
Second time Burma .. I build up bases + took Ramree Island .. I noted my units getting the same amount of supply but less attrition from propagation and Rangoon had more supplies ..

So each situation might have to be taken in context with lots of minute details taken into consideration besides unit supply ..

My unsupported opinion is that the draw capability of the destination hex matters more than anything else. Once I took Rangoon in each of my Allied games, hundreds of thousands of supply flowed there from India in extremely short order. We're talking within a week or two. It came from India - namely Chittagong, Calcutta, and Madras (it's impossible to tell exactly where it came from, but it did come from overland as I shipped nothing in - most likely it came from a multitude of bases and the supply also spread out from Chittagong, etc.).

For units in the bushes, supply paths and proximity seem more important but it could also be an observation phenomenon: basically, if you're looking at your unit supply in the bushes you're more likely to be in combat situations (at least I am) whereas you may not be checking the supplies at bases after you've moved beyond them. But the supply movement algos don't change...

Mostly I'm trying to fight back against Forum Gospel that Ramree is the key to getting supply into Burma, because it's not.

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My unsupported opinion is that the draw capability of the destination hex matters more than anything else.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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My unsupported opinion is that the draw capability of the destination hex matters more than anything else.

I would agree that is key .. and how much starts propagating and how much is lost to the "Angels share" depends on how close the sources are and the ground covered to get there jungle vs road vs railroad.

I guess if you start with abundance and enough gets to the targets it really does not matter the efficiency of different methods to make that happen .

All I can say is when I first played this game the mantra was you can't support an invasion of Burma .. the AAR records how that happened ... plus attack Darwin overland ..