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Another starting (0) port issue? - 11/3/2016 7:03:05 PM   
gottagofish


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Status: offline 		In addition to a port that starts at (0) not recognizing naval support at an improved port, the port also seems to not preform ship upgrades. I have left a DD at a port 3(0) that has no required minimum shipyard size for an update. After several turns, the update has not taken place. I move the ship to a (1) port and it upgraded that very turn. Is there a limitation I am not aware of that the starting (0) port improved to a level 3 should not allow an upgrade to take place? Is there a supply minimum for upgrades?
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RE: Another starting (0) port issue? - 11/3/2016 7:33:03 PM   
Lokasenna


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Status: offline 		There is something (an equation, perhaps) about ship upgrades that don't require a shipyard of any particular size that says a port must still be big enough to handle the ship in some way. I think it is based on tonnage. For example - there are a few BB upgrades for the Allies that don't require a shipyard, but wouldn't enter upgrade at measly little Tabiteuea (port 4). They did enter upgrade when I sent them to a bigger port (Rabaul, Pearl, etc.). Simply being able to dock clearly isn't the requirement, as a size 4 port can easily dock a 30K-ton BB.

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RE: Another starting (0) port issue? - 11/3/2016 7:34:52 PM   
Lokasenna


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Status: offline 		Heh I actually had a thread on this a couple of years ago. Here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3656049&mpage=1&

With this linked answer from Alfred:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Don Bowen posted on 15 April 2010 that when a zero shipyard size is nominated, a ship can be upgraded at a port where

(port size cubed) is compared to (ship tonnage/100)


In a subseqent post on 8 June 2010, he expanded on his April post that the ability to do the upgrade was determined by the total accumulated capacity of the port. The accumulated capacity took into account

port size
shipyards
repair ships
appropriate tenders
naval support


According to Don Bowen in his June post, the exact formula as to how each of these components contribute to the overall capacity will not be disclosed. The only hint given by him was that a size 5 port with an AR could upgrade ships of up to 18,800 tons.

Alfred


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RE: Another starting (0) port issue? - 11/3/2016 10:40:29 PM   
BBfanboy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Heh I actually had a thread on this a couple of years ago. Here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3656049&mpage=1&

With this linked answer from Alfred:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Don Bowen posted on 15 April 2010 that when a zero shipyard size is nominated, a ship can be upgraded at a port where

(port size cubed) is compared to (ship tonnage/100)


In a subseqent post on 8 June 2010, he expanded on his April post that the ability to do the upgrade was determined by the total accumulated capacity of the port. The accumulated capacity took into account

port size
shipyards
repair ships
appropriate tenders
naval support


According to Don Bowen in his June post, the exact formula as to how each of these components contribute to the overall capacity will not be disclosed. The only hint given by him was that a size 5 port with an AR could upgrade ships of up to 18,800 tons.

Alfred



Awesome info - I always wondered how that went - really impressed at the thinking of the developers in coming up with these sorts of formulae.
So by this formula and with no other inputs, a 2000 ton DD can upgrade at a level 3 port (2000/100 =20; Pt. 3 cubed = 27).
Thanks for finding that thread again Lokasenna, and thanks to Alfred for researching for us.

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RE: Another starting (0) port issue? - 11/6/2016 5:47:31 PM   
gottagofish


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Status: offline 		Thanks for your help, Lokasenna. I will take this into consideration from now on!

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