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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2016 3:05:36 PM   
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Hungarian Mnt Infantry

I`m a bit fuzzy on their mountain infantry. Do you have any links to articles and pictures?

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Romanian OA vz. 30

One company with 3 OA vz. 27s and 9 OA vz.30s retreated to Romania in March 1939. There`s no evidence (that I know of) that they were ever used on the frontline and there are just some pictures with the aftermath of a bombing (I think american) towards the end of the war showing one of them destroyed near some industrial facility iirc. This may mean that they were used as guard vehicles inside the country or simply that they were parked there. I`m not against having it, but I`m not sure it`s worth the trouble.

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Romanian 120mm Mortar M1942 Resita

This is basically the copy of the Soviet 120 mm PM-38 mortar. I`m not sure if we have this already, but if we do it would not be hard to make.


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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2016 5:39:08 PM   
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Hungarian Mnt Infantry

I`m a bit fuzzy on their mountain infantry. Do you have any links to articles and pictures?




Hungarian mountain rangers
http://uniforma-army.ru/hungary-1926.php
Laszlo «A Magyar Kiralyi Honvedseg egyenruhai 1926-1945»













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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2016 5:55:05 PM   
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Romanian OA vz. 30

One company with 3 OA vz. 27s and 9 OA vz.30s retreated to Romania in March 1939. There`s no evidence (that I know of) that they were ever used on the frontline and there are just some pictures with the aftermath of a bombing (I think american) towards the end of the war showing one of them destroyed near some industrial facility iirc. This may mean that they were used as guard vehicles inside the country or simply that they were parked there. I`m not against having it, but I`m not sure it`s worth the trouble.




In this case, we can add for Romanian army - ADGZ or BA-20

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/28/2016 6:31:31 PM   
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In this case, we can add for Romanian army - ADGZ or BA-20

I`m actually curious where you pulled the ADGZ from. It is really unclear if Romania put any of the captured Soviet cars into service, how many if so and of what type. Generally it`s just speculation.

In terms of reconnaissance, up to Stalingrad you only have the R-1 tankette used by the recon units of the cavalry divisions. Then 10 SdKfz 222 were delivered in December 1942 and a few others were captured when Romania switched sides in august 1944. That`s about it in terms of armoured cars used on the frontline.

There`s also a discussion of about a dozen Italian made AB 41 which were taken into service after the Italian armistice, but that subject is controversial:
http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2864&hl=autoblinda#
It may very well be that confusion appeared from the fact that Romania named all its armoured cars AB (autoblindat=armoured car), without this having any connection to the Italian Autoblinda. To my knowledge there`s no photo showing them in Romanian service.

Bottom line, you either accept that scouting was done either by cavalry, R-1 and motorcyclists up to Stalingrad or you have to create some "what-if" units.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2016 7:33:35 AM   
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thank you, guys

at the moment we get the following

Italian Landing Craft
Romanian Landing Craft
Finnish Landing Craft

Polikarpov I-15BIS
Lavochkin La-5F
Lavochkin La-5FN
Yakovlev Yak-1B
Yakovlev Yak-3
Yakovlev Yak-7
Yakovlev Yak-9D
Yakovlev Yak-9U
Hurricane Mk.II
P-40 Kittyhawk
Spitfire Mk.V
Spitfire Mk.IX
P-47 Thunderbolt
Beriev MBR-2
Polikarpov R-Z
Iljushin Il-2M3 Shturmovik
Iljushin Il-10 Shturmovik
Petlyakov Pe-3
Tupolev Tu-2
B-25C Mitchell
A-20G Boston
Yermolayev Yer-2

Japanese Armoured Train
Soviet M16 MGMC (AA and AT mode)
Soviet KV-2 (Art and AT mode)
Soviet Anti-Tank Infantry
Soviet IS-3
Finnish Small Horse Transport
Finnish T-20 Komsomolets
Finnish Raupenschlepper Ost
Hungarian Mnt Infantry
Hungarian Medium Tank Turan II
Hungarian Motorcyclists
Hungarian 149mm Field Howitzer M14/39
Hungarian 20mm Flak 33.M Madsen
Hungarian Mule Transport
Romanian Infantry (green)
Romanian 120mm Mortar M1942 Resita
Romanian Kfz 15 Horch
Italian 508CM Coloniale (Staff Car)
Italian Dismounted Motorcyclists - Bersaglieri
Italian M43 da 105/25 (Art and AT mode)
Italian 90/53 m41C (AA and AT mode)
Italian Fiat 708C
Italian Breda 61

German Destroyer
German River Boat
German Armoured Boat
German Submarine
Soviet Battleship
Soviet Cruiser
Soviet Destroyer Leader
Soviet Destroyer
Soviet Guard Ship
Soviet Submarine
Romanian Destroyer
Romanian Armoured Boat
Romanian River Boat
Romanian Submarine
Finnish Coastal Defence Ship
Finnish Destroyer
Finnish Armoured Boat
Finnish River Boat
Finnish Submarine
Italian Destroyer
Italian Armoured Boat
Italian Submarine
Japan Light Cruiser
Japan Destroyer
Japan Armoured Boat
Japan River Boat
Japan Submarine

Italian MC.200 Saetta
Italian Re.2000
Italian Bf 109G
Italian Caproni Ca.311
Italian SM.81 Pipistrello
Italian Z.1007 Alcione
Italian Ju-87B

But, it is preliminary version
we have time to discuss this list

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2016 7:37:28 AM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/29/2016 10:36:39 PM   
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Italian Bf 109K

I was under the impression that up to the armistice the Italians only had the Bf 109G. Unless you have better sources for significant numbers of Italian Bf 109K you could drop this and free the space for something else.

For example an Italian Ju-87B (German camouflage with Italian markings)
http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/junkers_ju87/Ju87_Italy_1.jpg
http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n3/articles/stuka.html

Btw, what do the "Armoured Boats" from above represent? Could you give an example of a class or individual ship?


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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2016 10:28:48 AM   
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River Boats (cannon boats, gunboats, river monitors)

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2016 12:11:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, if H.Balck intends to make something that resemble actual ships here are some links that show both pictures and plans:

Romanian submarine (Delfinul was the only active one up to the spring of 1944):
http://romaniaforum.info/board3-marina-romana-romanian-navy/board140-marina-militara-romana-pina-la-1945-romanian-royal-navy-before-1945/board143-the-submarine-delfinul-and-the-sister-boats-quarnaro-di-fiume-1930-1957/1012-1928-1957-submarinul-delfinul-date-tehnice-si-biografie-quarnaro-fiume/

Romanian destroyer (R-class/Regele Ferdinand class - one of the two classes used in ww2):
http://romaniaforum.info/board3-marina-romana-romanian-navy/board140-marina-militara-romana-pina-la-1945-romanian-royal-navy-before-1945/board471-r-class-destroyers-regele-ferdinand-regina-maria-1928-and-later/129-1928-distrugator-regele-ferdinand-asul-de-cupa-cantieri-napoletani-c-e-t-t-pattison/

Romanian Gunboat (ex-Friponne class):
http://romaniaforum.info/board3-marina-romana-romanian-navy/board140-marina-militara-romana-pina-la-1945-romanian-royal-navy-before-1945/board138-aviso-cannon-boats-eugen-stihi-r-lepri-ghiculescu-dumitrescu-lorient-brest-arsenal-1916-1920/board597-ex-french-friponne-class-asw-gunboats-lt-cmd-stihi-eugen/718-1916-lt-cmd-stihi-eugen-ex-friponne-class-asw-gunboats-q-ship-bateau-pi%C3%A8ge/

Romanian River Monitor (Romania had 7 of these active on the Danube); Here`s the main, Brătianu-class:
http://romaniaforum.info/board3-marina-romana-romanian-navy/board140-marina-militara-romana-pina-la-1945-romanian-royal-navy-before-1945/board472-stt-monitors-ion-c-bratianu-class-1907-and-later/426-1907-ion-c-bratianu-class-river-monitors/



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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2016 8:34:19 PM   
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On the eastern front, acted MC.200 Saetta, MC.202 Folgore, Br.20 Cicogna, Caproni Ca.311 and, perhaps SM.81 Pipistrello

this will be enough, in my opinion

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2016 8:50:28 PM   
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You can add
Soviet 152-mm Hovitzer D-1 Model 1943

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 10/30/2016 10:18:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion, the Italian planes are important because the faction was left half done and some of the planes are still bebro`s and he has a very different style. Also, because not every scenario that will be made from these units should necessarily be located on the Eastern Front.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/1/2016 2:08:23 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/1/2016 2:09:53 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/1/2016 2:10:37 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/1/2016 2:11:21 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/1/2016 2:12:15 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/1/2016 5:57:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brazenman

BTW
You can add
Soviet 152-mm Hovitzer D-1 Model 1943



Please add BM-13-16 on chassis tractor STZ-5
http://www.dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?p=15353

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/1/2016 6:06:13 PM   
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I very much hope that someone of you will make a small list of units for the Polish divisions in the Red Army



Polish Staff Car
Polish Partizan
Polish Infantry
Polish MG Infantry
Polish Engineers
Polish T-34-76 M1943
Polish BA-64
Polish 45mm PTO-M1942
Polish 76.2mm M1939
Polish SU-76
Polish 37mm M1939
Polish Horse Transport
Polish Horse Wagon Transport
Polish GAZ AA
Polish ZiS-6

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/2/2016 10:23:00 AM   
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I think it would be nice if you can add a few units of Wehrmacht also
Flammpanzer III
Sd.Kfz.9 Famo 18t HT
35.5cm Haubitze M1 or 42cm Gamma Mörser

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/2/2016 10:37:00 PM   
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http://my-files.ru/1tmyf2

I added Italian units
I added few new german units
I added new packet romanian planes (thanks R-35)

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/6/2016 7:30:00 AM   
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1.19-FIX
http://my-files.ru/1tmyf2

I added Italian units
I added few new german units
I added new packet romanian planes (thanks R-35)



A small error in the folder of units
German_HQ-11.png.png
German_HQ-12.png.png

BTW
I think you need to add trait nopurchase for 8.8 cm FlaK 41, 12.8 cm FlaK 40

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/6/2016 4:15:05 PM   
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send me the old model tractor-Voroshilovets

The new model is slightly different in color from the rest of the Soviet units and it's a little annoying to me.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/6/2016 9:39:44 PM   
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http://my-files.ru/b4437s

Full package of files mod (includes 1.20-FIX)
http://my-files.ru/j06ukt

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/6/2016 9:43:46 PM   
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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/7/2016 8:35:35 AM   
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Cool! The new version of the Brest Fortress I like more!

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/9/2016 7:17:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kompolka


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ORIGINAL: Brazenman

BTW
You can add
Soviet 152-mm Hovitzer D-1 Model 1943



Please add BM-13-16 on chassis tractor STZ-5
http://www.dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?p=15353


Guys
I see that you forgot about sevrel Soviet units

T-80
http://pro-tank.ru/bronetehnika-sssr/legkie-tanki/93-t-80

T-44
http://pro-tank.ru/bronetehnika-sssr/srednie-tanki/111-t-44

SU-76I (at the base of the tank Panzer III)
http://pro-tank.ru/bronetehnika-sssr/samohodnie-ustanovki/100-su-76i

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/11/2016 7:35:49 AM   
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I need a full package of Soviet airplanes of Berbo
I want to use it for the creation of a large company - Operation Bagration (It will be a series of mini-scenarios for Karaganov map)

Could you send this to me

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/11/2016 9:42:39 AM   
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You need to open the folder of mod Karaganov's
Panzer Corps/UI/Bigunits/Desert/Bebro Soviet Planes
Panzer Corps/Graphics/Units/Desert/Bebro Soviet Planes

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 11/11/2016 10:47:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bebro has actually made a few more soviet planes for his Inferno mod (at the Slitherine), but without info cards:
I-153
La-5 42
La-5F
Pe-3
Su-2
Yak-9T
In any case, if you use his stuff in a public mod don`t forget to give credits to him.

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