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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/13/2016 12:24:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dysta

(Does not simulate PoH, or chance of interception by Blue side)


Of course not, it's an advertisement after all.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/13/2016 2:01:03 PM   
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:MR SAM: FM-3000 (HQ-17, PLA use tracked version vehicle like Tor)


The FM-3000 is rather comparable with the 9M96E (40km range as well), which is a medium range anti-ordnance missile for the S-400 complex, comparable with the ESSM.



Rumors say that the DK-10/VLS-launched PL-12 didnt win the PLAN contender for the VLS-quad-packed medium-range ESSM-equivalent, but the FM-3000 did. The TEL, in any case, shows that four cells can be packed quite close to each other.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/13/2016 8:09:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some surprising revelation about the MTOW of the JH-7A;

It seems that incremental upgrades over the years have brought the MTOW to 34,5 tons from 28,5 tons, and the payload to 10 tons from 7 tons.

This might be one of the reasons why the PLAN is still quite satisfied with the JH-7A, despite having the option of using J-16 or Su-30MKK/MK2 for that role.

Recent official figures;


Old Airshow figures for the export variant:


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/14/2016 2:36:28 PM   
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(unconfirmed) Report that Adm Kuznetsov may have lost one of her MiG-29's
http://www.combataircraft.net/2016/11/14/russian-navy-mig-29-in-mediterranean/



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/14/2016 3:31:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the Fox News coverage of the MiG-29. Don't know if this is confirmation or simply rebroadcast. Interesting photo, looks like the MiG's are burning coal!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/14/russian-fighter-jet-crashes-near-its-aircraft-carrier-in-mediterranean-us-officials-say.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/14/2016 3:36:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another report says it was a flight of 3.
1 crashed, 1 recovered, 1 diverted.
https://theaviationist.com/?p=40444


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/15/2016 12:29:58 PM   
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Two improved Ming-class SS for Bangladesh

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/16/2016 4:45:32 PM   
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also many photos :
http://milinfolive.livejournal.com/1211.html

interesting thing that according to "REN-TV" preparation of strike for Su-33 with 2xR-73 2xR-27ER and 2xFAB-500 take 40 min.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/16/2016 7:55:55 PM   
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Thanks for the post

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/16/2016 8:02:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not the bomb. The aircraft just received a new Gefest SVP-24 bombing systems which allows them to drop unguided munitions with greater precision. THe SU-33 has never been a bomber before so there is a lot of speculation of what the loadouts actually are. My sense is to be patient and we'll see in a couple days.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/16/2016 9:16:58 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/16/2016 9:32:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the clarification Mike. It gave me a chance to look into the Gefest SVP-24, its stated cost advantages and possible targeting issues.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/16/2016 10:27:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/16/2016 10:52:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gneckes

Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?


Yeah to some extent. This was a way of making a pure fighter into a relatively accurate bomber with unguided weapons.

The US mostly relies on precision weapons these days.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/16/2016 11:02:34 PM   
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Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?

I mean technically, the US has been doing INS deliveries of dumb weapons since the late 60's with the F-111 and F-4E. The SVP-24 isn't even that new to the Russians - it's been used on the FENCER series for a while. Source.

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The US mostly relies on precision weapons these days.

Because after Desert Storm the US discovered that even using GPS/INS aided delivery systems (F-16 and F/A-18), dumb bombs just can't match PGMs in terms of killing targets efficiently.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 1:17:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing I read is that the system is tied to the specific a/c so if that platform is put out of action all the dumb bombs in storage are back to square one. In low intensity combat that seems OK. But munition storage is less vulnerable than the platforms themselves since the a/c are technically operating in the threat zone. Oh, believing these weapons are sniper-like (Hellfire) with minimal collateral damage seems misguided (pun intended) and full of political consequences on the ground.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 1:24:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

The thing I read is that the system is tied to the specific a/c so if that platform is put out of action all the dumb bombs in storage are back to square one. In low intensity combat that seems OK. But munition storage is less vulnerable than the platforms themselves since the a/c are technically operating in the threat zone. Oh, believing these weapons are sniper-like (Hellfire) with minimal collateral damage seems misguided (pun intended) and full of political consequences on the ground.


I think its just a bombing computer. Bombs aren't really tied to anything.

Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way. They could get more bang for their buck with the AF.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 2:20:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, not physically tied, but tied with an operational expectation of the availability of their cache of dumb bombs having more precision.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 5:29:12 AM   
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Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way.


The have at least three embedded news camera teams on board, lots of great footage, I'm sure the real target is not in Syria.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 11:37:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

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Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way.


The have at least three embedded news camera teams on board, lots of great footage, I'm sure the real target is not in Syria.

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Agreed

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 12:07:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zaslon


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ORIGINAL: AlGrant

There is very little I can say about this that wouldn't sound like a rant!

http://www.janes.com/article/65445/uk-to-retire-gws60-harpoon-at-end-of-2018

"The retirement of Harpoon will leave RN warships without a heavyweight surface-to-surface guided weapon (SSGW), opening up a gap in over-the-horizon anti-surface warfare capability.
Furthermore, with the helicopter-launched Sea Skua missile going out of service (OSD) at the end of March 2017, the RN will be devoid of any anti-surface guided weapon for about two years pending the introduction of the Sea Venom/ANL lightweight anti-ship missile on the Wildcat HMA.2 helicopter in late 2020."



Oh my God!



Would some clever chaps please make scenarios to show how British Sea Power (a pop band, formerly the Royal Navy) take on the Chinese now that we have only 4.5 inch guns and aircraft carriers without aircraft. Actually, taking on Belgium might do.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 2:33:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: altipueri


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ORIGINAL: Zaslon


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ORIGINAL: AlGrant

There is very little I can say about this that wouldn't sound like a rant!

http://www.janes.com/article/65445/uk-to-retire-gws60-harpoon-at-end-of-2018

"The retirement of Harpoon will leave RN warships without a heavyweight surface-to-surface guided weapon (SSGW), opening up a gap in over-the-horizon anti-surface warfare capability.
Furthermore, with the helicopter-launched Sea Skua missile going out of service (OSD) at the end of March 2017, the RN will be devoid of any anti-surface guided weapon for about two years pending the introduction of the Sea Venom/ANL lightweight anti-ship missile on the Wildcat HMA.2 helicopter in late 2020."


Oh my God!



Would some clever chaps please make scenarios to show how British Sea Power (a pop band, formerly the Royal Navy) take on the Chinese now that we have only 4.5 inch guns and aircraft carriers without aircraft. Actually, taking on Belgium might do.



Well here's one solution
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/17/solution_to_navy_harpoon_missile_withdrawal_problem/?mt=1479396463310



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 2:57:50 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 4:27:22 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 4:46:57 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 5:21:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gneckes

Decision on what?


A replacement.Now that its out there and there is outrage it tends to get folks moving.
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/17/2016 5:36:51 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/18/2016 12:27:50 AM   
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Lt. Leslie Hubbell, who is the assistant public affairs officer for Commander Naval Air Forces, confirmed IRON99's identity is a Navy E-6B Mercury, created by Boeing at a cost of $141.7 million per unit.

The unit's overall mission is classified, Hubbell said, but did confirm the mission of the plane's class.

"The overall mission of the E-6B is command, control and communications abilities to direct and employ strategic resources," Hubbell said.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/18/2016 6:48:46 AM   
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http://tass.com/world/911375

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/18/2016 7:34:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AlGrant


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ORIGINAL: altipueri


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ORIGINAL: Zaslon


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ORIGINAL: AlGrant

There is very little I can say about this that wouldn't sound like a rant!

http://www.janes.com/article/65445/uk-to-retire-gws60-harpoon-at-end-of-2018

"The retirement of Harpoon will leave RN warships without a heavyweight surface-to-surface guided weapon (SSGW), opening up a gap in over-the-horizon anti-surface warfare capability.
Furthermore, with the helicopter-launched Sea Skua missile going out of service (OSD) at the end of March 2017, the RN will be devoid of any anti-surface guided weapon for about two years pending the introduction of the Sea Venom/ANL lightweight anti-ship missile on the Wildcat HMA.2 helicopter in late 2020."


Oh my God!



Would some clever chaps please make scenarios to show how British Sea Power (a pop band, formerly the Royal Navy) take on the Chinese now that we have only 4.5 inch guns and aircraft carriers without aircraft. Actually, taking on Belgium might do.



Well here's one solution
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/17/solution_to_navy_harpoon_missile_withdrawal_problem/?mt=1479396463310





well it's probably slow enough to disappear into the radar notch while flying front aspect so there's an advantage

who needs stealth? all you have to do is stand still relative to the defending platform and you're invisible :^)

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