Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

I 'thought' that dive bombers although they flew at whatever height was ordered - normally around 10K - actually bomb at a very low level - the clue is in the word dive, and their vulnerability is because of this - especially their pull up and climb after bombing. I find them very useful at hitting ground troops that are no longer supplied where the AA is minor but anecdotally I am sure the losses I had when using them against well supplied and dug in troops was not cost effective.

Roger

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ORIGINAL: LastBreath

I m very disappointed with these answers.
So that s could means
I finally leave the noob status (I hope one day) or I miss something (probably)

But ... 8 or 28 casualties is nuts , that won t pay the aircrafts costs

I consider that a good air raid must send around 250 , 300 soldiers to he Valhalla for each run. I dont know the allied side but it must be a counter part to my iron spear bombing group

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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

Hi Bill

I think those ones are level bombing....

< snip >

Roger

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

I 'thought' that dive bombers although they flew at whatever height was ordered - normally around 10K - actually bomb at a very low level - the clue is in the word dive, and their vulnerability is because of this - especially their pull up and climb after bombing. I find them very useful at hitting ground troops that are no longer supplied where the AA is minor but anecdotally I am sure the losses I had when using them against well supplied and dug in troops was not cost effective.

Roger

Yes, DBs descend to ~2500 feet in their dive, but in order to get them to dive bomb they must be in the 10,000 - 15,000 foot altitude range. Anything else is level bombing. There used to be a "glide bombing" attack at a certain altitude range but that was removed in one of the updates.

Alt         Type
---         ----
< 1K        Low-level attack
1-9   K     Level bomb
10-15 K     Dive bomb
16-19 K     Glide bomb
20+   K     Level bomb (less accurate)

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Mission: Bombing
A/c type: DB
(1) Group altitude: 10-15K
A/c are treated as if performing a diving attack
(2) Group altitude: 16-19K
A/c are treated as if performing a glide attack
(3) Group altitude: <1K
A/c are treated as if performing a low level attack
(4) Group altitude: 20+ or 1-9K
A/c are treated as if performing a normal horizontal attack
The attacks are based on altitude flown.
If I had to do it again, I would probably let the player pick an 'attack tactic' which would allow planes to approach target at the group alt but determine the attack alt and bombing type based on the 'attack tactic'.

Diving attacks have a better chance than gliding attacks to make a hit; pilots with good NAVAL_BOMB skills have a better chance. Exit altitude is 1000-4000'.
Glide attacks have a better chance than level bombing but not as good as diving attacks to make a hit, but; again better skilled pilots have a better chance. Exit altitude is 2000-5000'.

[Typo after all that - items 3 & 4]

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ORIGINAL: glyphoglossus

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

I 'thought' that dive bombers although they flew at whatever height was ordered - normally around 10K - actually bomb at a very low level - the clue is in the word dive, and their vulnerability is because of this - especially their pull up and climb after bombing. I find them very useful at hitting ground troops that are no longer supplied where the AA is minor but anecdotally I am sure the losses I had when using them against well supplied and dug in troops was not cost effective.

Roger

Yes, DBs descend to ~2500 feet in their dive, but in order to get them to dive bomb they must be in the 10,000 - 15,000 foot altitude range. Anything else is level bombing. There used to be a "glide bombing" attack at a certain altitude range but that was removed in one of the updates.

Hmm, so the following is no longer true (wrt to glide bombing)?

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2348471

Summary from the linked thread:

Alt         Type
---         ----
< 1K        Low-level attack
1-9   K     Level bomb
10-15 K     Dive bomb
16-19 K     Glide bomb
20+   K     Level bomb (less accurate)

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Mission: Bombing
A/c type: DB
(1) Group altitude: 10-15K
A/c are treated as if performing a diving attack
(2) Group altitude: 16-19K
A/c are treated as if performing a glide attack
(3) Group altitude: <1K
A/c are treated as if performing a low level attack
(4) Group altitude: 20+ or 1-9K
A/c are treated as if performing a normal horizontal attack
The attacks are based on altitude flown.
If I had to do it again, I would probably let the player pick an 'attack tactic' which would allow planes to approach target at the group alt but determine the attack alt and bombing type based on the 'attack tactic'.

Diving attacks have a better chance than gliding attacks to make a hit; pilots with good NAVAL_BOMB skills have a better chance. Exit altitude is 1000-4000'.
Glide attacks have a better chance than level bombing but not as good as diving attacks to make a hit, but; again better skilled pilots have a better chance. Exit altitude is 2000-5000'.

[Typo after all that - items 3 & 4]

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: glyphoglossus

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

I 'thought' that dive bombers although they flew at whatever height was ordered - normally around 10K - actually bomb at a very low level - the clue is in the word dive, and their vulnerability is because of this - especially their pull up and climb after bombing. I find them very useful at hitting ground troops that are no longer supplied where the AA is minor but anecdotally I am sure the losses I had when using them against well supplied and dug in troops was not cost effective.

Roger

Yes, DBs descend to ~2500 feet in their dive, but in order to get them to dive bomb they must be in the 10,000 - 15,000 foot altitude range. Anything else is level bombing. There used to be a "glide bombing" attack at a certain altitude range but that was removed in one of the updates.

Hmm, so the following is no longer true (wrt to glide bombing)?

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2348471

Summary from the linked thread:

Alt         Type
---         ----
< 1K        Low-level attack
1-9   K     Level bomb
10-15 K     Dive bomb
16-19 K     Glide bomb
20+   K     Level bomb (less accurate)

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Mission: Bombing
A/c type: DB
(1) Group altitude: 10-15K
A/c are treated as if performing a diving attack
(2) Group altitude: 16-19K
A/c are treated as if performing a glide attack
(3) Group altitude: <1K
A/c are treated as if performing a low level attack
(4) Group altitude: 20+ or 1-9K
A/c are treated as if performing a normal horizontal attack
The attacks are based on altitude flown.
If I had to do it again, I would probably let the player pick an 'attack tactic' which would allow planes to approach target at the group alt but determine the attack alt and bombing type based on the 'attack tactic'.

Diving attacks have a better chance than gliding attacks to make a hit; pilots with good NAVAL_BOMB skills have a better chance. Exit altitude is 1000-4000'.
Glide attacks have a better chance than level bombing but not as good as diving attacks to make a hit, but; again better skilled pilots have a better chance. Exit altitude is 2000-5000'.

[Typo after all that - items 3 & 4]

Yes - note that the link you posted was dated 2010, when the game first came out. At that time Level Bombing attacks below 5000 feet were also considered low level. During one of the updates the air model was streamlined a bit by eliminating the glide bombing attack and making 1000' the threshold for Low Level attack for all aircraft types. Flak will serve to keep LB from using the 2000-5000 foot level very much, although I like it for enemy that are out of ammo (and not in a base that has balloons).