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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/27/2016 3:47:51 PM

Rio Bravo

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February 13, 2016

Chinese Commanders are searching for a building in Chengtu and Chungking with a roof; El Lobo continues to bomb both cities into piles of rubble.

Japanese Submarine SS I-34 is one bad dude; even when it is forced to surface it continues to inflict damage on Allied transports.

El Lobo destroys the 88th Chinese Corps.

The Allies bombard Japanese located at Shwebo, Lashio, and the jungle just East of Ramree Island.

225 Allied Warhawks have flown into Burma in preparation to provide cover for Allied bombers that are setting up along the Imphal-Ledo line. The fighters are located at Kalemyo, Myitkynia, and Bhamo.

SS I-34 Submarine Attack Near Lahaina

Allied Destroyer and transports crunch Japanese submarine SS I-34 with 10 hits causing heavy damage.

However, SS I-34 fights back submerged and surfaced and hammers Allied Troop Transport Task Force:

Allied Ships
DD Smith
xAK City of Elwood
xAK Maine
xAK Maliko
xAK Port Orford, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Coast Farmer, Shell hits 1
xAK Potter, Shell hits 2
xAK Jeff Davis, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Intelligence advises that Davis sank.

SS I-14 Submarine Attack Near Lahaina

xAK Port Orford takes a torpedo and suffers fires with heavy damage.

Intelligence advises that Orford sank.

Allied ASW Attack Near Pearl Harbor

AMs hit SS I-17 twice.

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Nanyang

The 88th Chinese Corps takes over 1,800 casualties and is destroyed.

Allies Bombard Shwebo

53 Japanese casualties; 2 squads destroyed.

Allies Bombard Lashio

Only 11 Japanese casualties with only one squad disabled.

Allies Bombard Jungle East of Ramree Island

232 Japanese casualties with 2 squads destroyed and 13 squads disabled.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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-Bret (James Coburn); The Magnificent Seven

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/28/2016 4:06:17 PM

Rio Bravo

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February 14, 1943

Naturally, El Lobo bombed Chengtu and Chungking as he has just about every single day for several months.

The main news for the day involves numerous submarine combat actions.

The only ground combat today involved Allied shelling of Shwebo, Lashio and the jungle just East of Ramree Island.

Japanese Submarine Attack Near Bombay

Commander Haggard's AM Romney and AM Cromarty dent Japanese submarine SS I-171 twice.

Allied Submarine Attack Near Little Adaman

Commander Haggard's submarine SS KXIV puts a torpedo into Japanese xAK Maru inflicting heavy damage.

Japanese Submarine Attack Near Brisbane

Allied Destroyers DD Hammann and DD Mustin hits Japanese submarine SS I-172 five times.

Allied Submarine Attack Near Trincomalee

Commander Haggard's submarine SS KXV puts a torpedo into Japanese xAK Awajisan Maru inflicting heavy damage and causing 5 troop casualties.

Allied Artillery Bombard Shwebo

35 Japanese casualties; 3 squads disabled.

Allied Artillery Bombard Lashio

No Japanese casualties; the Allies had one vehicle destroyed and two vehicles disabled.

Allied Artillery Bombard Japanese in the Jungle East of Ramree Island

128 Japanese casualties; 1 squad destroyed and 3 squads disabled.

7 Allied casualties; 1 squad disabled.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/29/2016 3:40:35 PM

Rio Bravo

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February 15, 1943

El Lobo bombers pounded Chengtu and Chungking.

Allied artillery shelled Shwebo, Lashio and the jungle one hex East of Ramree Island inflicting minimal Japanese casualties at each location.

Dauntless Dive Bombers out of Pearl Harbor puts four hits on a Japanese submarine.

The Chindit Brigades reinforced by two U.S. Army Infantry Regiments have stopped El Lobo's push from China toward the Burma Border one hex West of Paoshan.

There wasn't any naval or ground battles.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/30/2016 3:13:02 AM

Rio Bravo

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February 16, 1943

Yes, El Lobo's bombers hammered Chengtu and Chungking and achieved modest results in terms of Chinese Casualties.

The Allied bombing campaign in Burma commenced.

For the second day in a row, Dauntless Dive Bombers out of Pearl Harbor hit a Japanese submarine twice.

Japanese deliberate attack destroyed the 70th Chinese Corps.

Allied artillery shelled Shwebo, Lashio, and the jungle one hex East of Ramree Island.

Allied Bombers Attack Lashio

3 Liberator Squadrons (36 aircraft) and 2 Fortress Squadrons (19 aircraft) at altitudes ranging from 9,000 feet to 13,000 feet dropped their payloads on Lashio.

48 Warhawks flying out of Bhamo provided LRCAP.

The bombers didn't inflict a single Japanese ground casualty.

The aircraft losses are as follows"

Japan Aircraft Losses

A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
KI-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
KI-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
KI-46-KAI Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied Aircraft Losses

P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
B-24D Liberator: 2 Destroyed, 8 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 5 damaged

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Chungking

The 70th Chinese Corps is destroyed.

Allied Bombardment of Shwebo, One Hex East of Ramree Island, and Lashio

Shwebo:

81 Japanese casualties, 2 squads destroyed and 8 squads disabled.

10 Allied casualties, 7 guns destroyed and 3 guns disabled.

Ramree Island

190 Japanese casualties, 2 squads destroyed and 16 squads disabled.

8 Allied casualties, 1 squad destroyed and 7 squads disabled.

Lashio

Zero casualties for either side.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/1/2016 1:00:01 PM

Rio Bravo

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February 17, 1943

The Valiant has 35 Systems damage and 88 Flotation damage and refuses to sink. It is now 44 days out of Cape Town and so far has cost over 700 Political Points. I wish it had been that tough during the surface engagement with a Japanese Surface Combat Task Force.

El Lobo bombed Chengtu and Chungking.

The Allies bombed Lashio.

The Allies shelled Shwebo, Lashio, and one hex East of Ramree Island.

There weren't any deliberate nor shock attacks today.

Japanese Bomb Chengtu

1 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally).

73 Allied casualties with 8 squads disabled.
8 hits (Airbase).
6 hits (Airbase Supply).
24 hits (Runway)

Japanese Bomb Chungking

1 destroyed and 3 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally).
1 damaged (Ki-49-Ic Helen).

1 destroyed and 10 damaged (P-66 Vanguard).
5 Allied casualties with 1 squad disabled.
13 hits (Airbase).
6 hits (Airbase Supply).
12 hits (Runway).

Allies Bomb Lashio

3 destroyed (A6M5 Zero).
5 Japanese casualties with 1 squad disabled.

4 destroyed and 10 damaged (B-17F Fortress).
1 destroyed and 1 damaged (B-24D Liberator).
1 destroyed (P-40K Warhawk).

Allies Shell Shwebo

81 Japanese casualties with 2 squads destroyed and 7 squads disabled.

2 Allied guns destroyed and 2 guns disabled.
1 Allied vehicle destroyed.

Allies Shell One Hex East of Ramree Island

144 Japanese casualties with 18 squads disabled.

1 Allied vehicle destroyed.

Allies Shell Lashio

13 Japanese casualties with one squad disabled.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/1/2016 4:25:11 PM

Bif1961

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You can always scuttled the ship and save the PPs and pay the VPs for the lost/sunk BB.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/1/2016 7:38:55 PM

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Typically a ship has to have 90+ damage in some category or fire level before the scuttle button activates.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/1/2016 11:56:24 PM

Bif1961

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Then you can run it at full speed until it gets to that level and then scuttle it.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 12:07:48 AM

Anachro

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I really hate how the pol point/withdrawal system works in regards to damaged ships...

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 12:18:43 AM

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I am sure it was designed in mind to make sure those forces which was sent back to the ETO were sent back or pay a huge penalty, not to punish players for using ships that might be withdrawn weeks or months later. That's why I don't consider it gamey to run heavily damaged vessels until I can scuttle them. I am still paying the VP sunk points and not being unrealistically dinged by compounding PPs.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 4:09:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

I am sure it was designed in mind to make sure those forces which was sent back to the ETO were sent back or pay a huge penalty, not to punish players for using ships that might be withdrawn weeks or months later. That's why I don't consider it gamey to run heavily damaged vessels until I can scuttle them. I am still paying the VP sunk points and not being unrealistically dinged by compounding PPs.

Running at FS seems like an excellent idea, especially if�as in this case�the ship is already traveling 1 hex per turn...

There has to be a different solution: perhaps the option to pay the sunk costs up front (even if it doesn't sink�you perhaps then have motivation to try and save it), plus a reasonable PP penalty, and then withdraw any other ship in it's class. Yeah, you may get a marginal deal on that end of it, but Atlantic command can't use the battered hulk even if it could withdraw.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 5:30:54 PM

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Just picked up on this discussion.

I will be a bit of a contrarian

Rather than ship to Capetown - I presume you could have disbanded in Columbo Ceylon and placed into shipyard repair mode ?

If placed in Columbo it would have taken the shipyard overlimit (likely), caused other issues such as prioritization troubles, etc.

If my memory is correct when a withdrawing ship is in shipyard repair mode - it is removed from the withdrawing ship lists and no further point penalties are incurred.... (??)

<<we might need a Game veteran to confirm that; but that was my impression>>

But travelling to Capetown was the Admirals choice. "Paying the cost" to ship to Capetown" rather than using the nearest best base.

Incidentally it could have been placed on lowest priority, and then when "repaired enough" activated and withdrawn all from Columbo...

So I would argue its the Admirals fault for placing a ship "urgently needed in another theater" in such grave danger so close to the date it was required and /or not using the base closest to meet the Admiralty orders ?

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 6:02:43 PM

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Actually, I think Bombay was closer.

If it is true what you say about shipyard mode & PP penalties, that is of such blockbuster import as never to be forgotten... though the "??" at the end of the statement gives me pause...

Speaking for myself, I confess I have experienced confusion as to what constitutes a "national base"... and now the question of the condition of the withdrawing ship looms.

< Message edited by CaptHaggard -- 12/2/2016 6:18:13 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 7:22:35 PM

Rio Bravo

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February 18, 1943

HMS Valiant reached 37 Systems, 94 Flotation, and 1 Engine damages and has been scuttled.

Japan bombed Chengtu and Chungking several times (each location).

The Allies Bombed Lashio several times.

Allied artillery shelled Shwebo, the hex just East of Ramree Island, and Lashio.

I am not happy about Allied aircraft losses over Lashio. Nor am I pleased about the minimal Japanese ground casualties inflicted from Allied bombing and bombardment of Lashio. However, a ways back in this AAR, I recall being advised to continue bombing and bombardment as it effects Japanese supply and prolongs the time it takes the Japanese to repair disabled squads.

There weren't any deliberate attacks nor any significant naval action this date.

Japan Bombs Chengtu

1 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally).

102 Allied casualties with 14 squads disabled.

Chungking

3 damaged (Ki-49-Ia Helen).
5 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally).

29 Allied casualties with with 4 squads disabled.
4 hits (Airbase).
4 hits (Airbase Supply).
25 hits (Runway).

Allies Bomb Lashio (*cringes*)

Not one damn Japanese aircraft destroyed nor damaged.
15 Japanese casualties with 2 squads disabled.

1 destroyed and 8 damaged (B-17E Fortress).
1 destroyed and 3 damaged (B-17F Fortress).
6 destroyed (P-40K Warhawk).

Allied Artillery Shells Shwebo

11 Japanese casualties with 1 gun destroyed and 3 squads disabled.

The Allies had 1 gun destroyed and 7 guns disabled and had 2 vehicles destroyed and 8 vehicles disabled.

Allied Artillery Shells the Hex Just East of Ramree Island

147 Japanese casualties with 1 vehicle destroyed, 1 squad destroyed, and 17 squads disabled.

5 Allied casualties with 1 squad disabled.

Allied Artillery Shells Lashio

Nada Japanese casualties.

Nada Allied casualties.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 8:01:10 PM

Rio Bravo

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Withdrawal

HMS Valiant

February 18, 1943

The HMS Valiant reached 37 Systems, 94 Flotation, and 1 Engine damages today which finally enabled the Allies to scuttle the Japanese shredded iron tub. The ship was overdue to be withdrawn and cost the Allies 780 Political Points (65 Political Points per day). 780 Political Points is approximately how many Political Points it costs the Allies to change the command of one U.S. Army Infantry Regiment.

BBfanboy-

I think you are correct as when the HMS Valiant reached 94 Flotation damage the "Scuttle" option was enabled.

bif1961-

I had previously been advised that running the HMS Valiant at "full speed" would speed up her damage so that hopefully she would sink sooner than running at "Cruise" speed.

She had been running at "Full" speed for approximately two months and though damages did increase, she just would not sink.

*chuckling*

Anachro-

I honestly don't have a problem with the game mechanics regarding automatic withdrawals of ships, aircraft, and ground forces. I understand the reasoning behind the mechanics.

I just hate being stupid three times. I have lost Political points for an aircraft squadron (worthless French kite); a submarine, and most recently the riddled HMS Valiant.

Macclan5-

I think that you are correct that the HMS Valiant could have been repaired and withdrawn at Colombo. However, at the time, Japanese forces shared occupation with the Allies at Colombo. Further, HMS Valiant was so badly damaged I estimated that it would take over three months to repair her to the point that she could be withdrawn. Accordingly, I selected the option to run her at "Full" speed with the hopes that she would sinker sooner than three months (which she eventually did).

I don't think that loss of Political Points is put on hold if a ship in is the shipyard. I am not positive of this, however, I seem to recall that my damaged submarine was in a shipyard and continued to cost Political Points while being repaired to the point that it could be withdrawn.

*hanging my head low* Yep, stupid Admiral Bravo should not have sent the HMS Valiant into a surface engagement approximately a month before it was due to head to the European Theater of War. Damn him!

*laughing*

Commander Haggard-

You're fired and have been reassigned to Latrine Detail at Attu Island.

I told you to order submarines to chase down the HMS Valiant and sink her!

*cracking up*

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 10:42:00 PM

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Gotcha, Chief!

Just let me know in plenty of time when these latrines are due for withdrawal.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/2/2016 11:33:56 PM

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I hope you don't damage them.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/3/2016 7:02:22 AM

Rio Bravo

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February 19, 1943

The Allied airwar in Burma sucks!

The Allies give the Japanese the boot at Colombo.

El Lobo bombs Chengtu and Chungking.

The Allies strafe Shwebo and bomb Lashio.

Allied artillery shells Shwebo, one hex East of Ramree Island, and Lashio.

Japanese Bomb Chengtu

1 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally).

77 Allied casualties with 2 squads destroyed and 9 squads disabled.
4 hits (Airbase).
4 hits (Airbase Supply).
27 hits (Runway).

Japanese Bomb Chungking

3 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally).

5 Allied casualties with 1 squad disabled.
8 hits (Airbase)
2 hits (Airbase Supply).
45 hits (Runway).

Allies Bomb Lashio

The Japanese did not lose a single aircraft nor did they have a single ground force casualty.

2 destroyed and 10 damaged (B-17E Fortress).
1 destroyed (B-17F Fortress).
3 damaged (B-24D Liberator).

Allies Strafe Shwebo

The Japanese did not have a single ground force casualty.
1 destroyed (A6M5 Zero).
1 destroyed (Ki-44-IIa Tojo).
1 destroyed (Ki-45-KAIc).

13 destroyed and 10 damaged (P-40K Warhawk).

Allied Artillery Shells Shwebo

56 Japanese casualties with 6 disabled squads.

The Allies suffered 2 guns destroyed and 1 gun disabled.

Allied Artillery Shells One Hex East of Ramree Island

95 Japanese casualties with 9 disabled squads.

Allied Artillery Shells Lashio

No Japanese casualties.

No Allied casualties.

Allied Deliberate Attack at Colombo

Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14996 troops, 146 guns, 136 vehicles, Assault Value = 411

Defending force 4829 troops, 48 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 168

Allied adjusted assault: 649

Japanese adjusted defense: 122

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1610 casualties reported
Squads: 29 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 33 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 15 (5 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
230 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
100th Indian Brigade
Colombo Fortress
99th Indian Brigade
98th Indian Brigade
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
23rd AA Bde
2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
Ceylon Base Force
22nd Light AA Regiment
Ceylon Command
222 Group RAF
13th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
5th Guards/C Division

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/3/2016 7:03:24 AM

Rio Bravo

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ORIGINAL: CaptHaggard

Gotcha, Chief!

Just let me know in plenty of time when these latrines are due for withdrawal.

Hag-

Sometime in '46.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/3/2016 7:04:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

I hope you don't damage them.

*laughing*

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/4/2016 8:13:48 AM

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February 20, 1943

A couple days ago the Allies booted the Japanese from Colombo. For over a month, El Lobo has been pulling his Japanese off of Ceylon. Recon flights indicate that El Lobo has two ground force units left on Ceylon. One unit (6,380 Troops, 48 Guns, and 8 AFVs) is the Japanese Regiment booted from Colombo which is now one hex Northeast of Colombo. The other unit (5,580 Troops, 36 Guns, and 10 AFVs) is at Koggala. The Allies haven't reinforced Ceylon. This date, the only Allied Infantry on Ceylon (the 98th, 99th, and 100th Indian Brigades) were given orders to march to Koggala.

El Lobo has dropped so many bombs on Chengtu and Chungking that my poor Chinese in these two cities are now all deaf.

Allied artillery shelled Shwebo, the jungle just East of Ramree Island, and Lashio.

Evil Emperor El Lobo Bombed Chengtu

1 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally).

The Allies suffered a total of 89 casualties with 13 disabled squads.
5 hits (Airbase).
3 hits (Airbase Supply).
20 hits (Runway).

The Chinese have a Level One Fort, 200 Supply, and 2,919 AV at Chengtu.

War Mongering Emperor El Lobo Bombed Chungking

2 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally).
1 damaged (Ki-49-Ia Helen).
1 damaged (Ki-51 Sonia).

The Allies suffered a total of 59 casualties with 7 squads disabled.
9 hits (Airbase).
5 hits (Airbase Supply).
46 hits (Runway).

The Chinese have a Level Five Fort, 420 Supply, and 5,704 AV at Chungking.

Allied Artillery Shells Shwebo

The Japanese suffered 141 casualties with 4 squads destroyed, 7 squads disabled, 1 gun destroyed, and one gun disabled.

The Allies suffered 4 guns destroyed and 4 guns disabled.

Allied Artillery Shelled the Jungle One Hex East of Ramree Island

The Japanese suffered 192 casualties, 1 squad destroyed and 21 squads disabled.

No Allied casualties.

Allied Artillery Shelled Lashio

No casualties on either side of the fence.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/4/2016 8:23:31 AM

Rio Bravo

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BURMA 111

February 20, 1943

Allied ground forces have circled their wagons around the Japanese, but I am not quite sure if the Japanese are trapped or if I have trapped the Allies.

El Lobo has a minimum of 111 Japanese Ground Force units in Burma (includes 5 units one hex West of Paoshan).

The Japanese have a minimum of 15 Infantry Divisions, 3 Infantry Regiments, Naval Guard Units, and intelligence indicates that 2 Infantry Regiments and 21 Infantry Brigades are loading for Rangoon.

A map of the Burma Conflict is below.

Where known, identified unit designations have been set forth as follows:

Shwebo (16 Units)

38 Bombers

43,040 Troops, 392 Guns, and 95 AFVs.

6th RTA Division
4th Guards Division
6th JNAF Coy
10th JNAF AF
15th JNAF AF
18th JNAF AF
46th JNAF AF
14th JAAF AF Coy
11th RF Gun Bn
2nd Ind Art Mortar Bn
15th Ind Art Mortar Bn
22nd Ind Mtn Gun Bn
23rd Medium FA Rgt
25th Air Defense AA Rgt
34th Field AA Bn
1st Mobile AA Bn

Mandalay (6 Units)

207th JAAF AF Bn
15th Ind Art Mortar Bn

One Hex East of Mandalay (3 Units)

Lashio (10 Units)

23,900 Troops, 166 Guns, and 0 AFVs.

7th RTA Division
114th Infantry Rgt
17th Ind Guards Rgt
1st JAAF AF Coy
2nd JAAF AF Coy
20th JAAF AF Bn
67th JAAF AF Coy
94th JAAF AF Bn
97th JAAF AF Bn
50th Field AA Bn

One Hex West of Paoshan (5 Units)

6th Division
22nd Division
39th Division
3rd Tank Division
7th Ind Tank Bde

Magwe (18 Units)

2nd Division
17th Division
12th JAAF BF
15th JAAF BF
55th Field AA Bn
1st Air Army

Meiktila (3 Units)

Ramree Island (7 Units)

7 Fighters
43 Bombers

2nd Army

One Hex East of Ramree Island (9 Units)

59,380 Troops, 561 Guns, and 809 AFVs.

4th Division
19th Division
56th Division
48th Naval Guard
Guards Tank Division
10th RF Gun Bn
1st Medium FA Rgt
8th Medium FA Rgt
21st AA Rgt

One Hex West of Taung Gyi (2 Units)

4 Taung Gyi (4 Units)

82nd JAAF AF Bn
209th JAAF Bn
55th Construction Co

One Hex NW of Prome (3 Units)

One Hex Northwest of Toungoo (1 Unit)

One Hex Northeast of Toungoo (2 Units)

56th Division

Prome (5 Units)

4th Division
19th Division
6th Java Militia Rgt
8th JAAF BF

Toungoo (13 Units)

33rd Division
5th Recon Rgt
43rd Naval Guard
19th Tank Rgt
11th RF Gun Bn
22nd Ind. Mtn Gun Rgt
23rd Medium FA Rgt
54th Construction Co

One Hex Southeast of Prome (1 Unit)

2nd Tank Rgt

One Hex Southwest of Toungoo (1 Unit)

Rangoon (1 Unit)

3/Guards Division

Mouliem (1 Unit)

40th JAAF AF Bn

Intelligence indicates the following Japanese troops are either loaded or loading on transports bound for Rangoon:

Yokosuka 1st SNLF
5/21 B Division
8/38/C Division
3/Guards Mixed Bde
5/Guards Mixed Bde
7/Guards Mixed Bde
8/Guards Mixed Bde
6/Guards Mixed Bde
9/Guards Mixed Bde
10/Guards Mixed Bde
11/Guards Mixed Bde
12/Guards Mixed Bde
13/Guards Mixed Bde
14/Guards Mixed Bde
16/Guards Mixed Bde
17/Guards Mixed Bde
19/Guards Mixed Bde
21/Guards Mixed Bde
20/Guards Mixed Bde
22/Guards Mixed Bde
25/Guards Mixed Bde
26/Guards Mixed Bde
27/Guards Mixed Bde
9/23 Mixed Ind Bde
13/5 Guards
2/38 JAAF AF Bn
� Ind Heavy Art Bn
14 Ind Art Mortar Bn
2/3 Ind Mtn Gun Rgt
22nd Air Flotilla

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/4/2016 3:46:23 PM

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Until you get strong tank forces you cannot beat that many Japanese in Burma. Let him come to you in India over long supply lines and beat him there before seeking to reconquer Burma.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/5/2016 5:29:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Until you get strong tank forces you cannot beat that many Japanese in Burma. Let him come to you in India over long supply lines and beat him there before seeking to reconquer Burma.

BBfanboy-

I have left behind in India a few Indian Infantry Divisions, four Chinese Corps, and some armor in case El Lobo should attempt to invade India in an attempt to cut supply flowing from India into Burma.

However, as I suspected from day one, and as El Lobo�s actions to date indicate, El Lobo prefers to modestly expand his Evil Empire. El Lobo chose to establish a tight, interlocking defense within which he has less turf to defend, more resources available to defend the turf that he chooses to defend, and within which his troops can more rapidly and more easily reinforce each other. He also has more engineers available to quickly build forts, ports, and airbases at those locations he intends to defend. Also, please note that for over a month, El Lobo has been pulling his forces out of Ceylon. Only two Japanese Infantry Regiments remain on Ceylon. My best guess is that El Lobo does not have any intent to set foot in India.

I have been patient in Burma because I do not merely want to boot El Lobo from India. I want to trap and destroy as many Japanese forces in Burma as possible so that I need not fight them elsewhere. Accordingly, I have spent a great deal of time in an effort to fully envelope the Japanese in Northern Burma. I want to choke El Lob�s supply paths and substantially hinder avenues of Japanese retreat. I had hoped that Allied artillery and Allied bombers would have a substantial effect on supply and on the health of El Lobo�s troops. Unfortunately, to date, Allied artillery and bombing results have been most dismal.

Upon the Allies entrance into Burma, I wanted to give El Lobo the impression that my primary initial targets were Shwebo and Ramree Island. However, my primary goal was to envelope his northern forces and my first base target has always been Lashio.

I chose Lashio for three main reasons. First, Lashio was and remains the most isolated Japanese base in Burma. Therefore, making it the easiest base for the Allies to deny supply and reinforcements. Second, I believed and still believe, it is critical to deny Japanese troops in China from reinforcing Burma. Third, Lashio will be the primary Burma base from which the Allies will invade China. I wanted to have as much time as possible to build-up the fort (for drawing supply) and airbase (from which to bomb China) at Lashio. Lashio has been fully surrounded by Allies for over two months. I suspect that supply is reaching a critical point for the Japanese trapped in Lashio?

At some point, and soon I would think, El Lobo will make his move to break the ever tightening stranglehold on his northern forces. I suspect that El Lobo will be able to manage breakthrough points. However, the Allies will have the benefit of terrain factors when he attacks. Further, the Allies have positioned themselves with the ability to easily reinforce each other and hopefully slow down his retreat so that as many as possible Japanese forces can be destroyed.

El Lobo has dedicated a substantial amount of Japanese ground forces to China and Burma. Additionally, El Lobo has wisely prosecuted his case in China and he has positioned his forces well in Burma. Further, once El Lobo chooses a course of action, he can be extremely stubborn about wavering from such course of action. I have known him for over 50 years and have played enough Chess games with him to know that he would make a formidable Japanese foe. I never expected anything less from El Lobo.

China and Burma have proven to be tough nuts to crack. However, I am fighting El Lobo where I wanted to fight him. And, I take some pleasure from knowing that the Allies have tied-up a great deal of El Lobo�s assets in Burma and China. Hopefully, this will prove to be fruitful when the Allies land Operation Sea Shark forces on Saipan, Tinian, Rota, and Guam on or about June 15, 1943.

My biggest fear is the effect that the Monsoon Season will have on Allied troops.

Will the Allied plan for Burma be successful?

Hell, I don�t know.

Laughing hard*

Best Regards,

-Terry

P.S. The Allies have substantial armor in Burma (most of which is probably not too effective yet), including but not limited too, 4 U.S. Army Tank Battalions and four U.S. Army Anti-tank Battalions.

< Message edited by Rio Bravo -- 12/5/2016 5:31:17 AM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/5/2016 6:24:16 AM

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February 21, 1943

Commander Haggard mangles a Japanese submarine near Lahaina.

El Lobo destroys the 82nd Chinese Corps near Ankang.

Japanese fail to advance West of Paoshan.

Japanese fail to break-out East of Mandalay.

Japanese bomb Chengtu and Chungking with minimal results.

Allied artillery shells Shwebo and the jungle East of Ramree Island with good results.

Allied artillery shells Lashio with zero results.

Allied PCs Hammer Japanese Submarine Near Lahaina

Allied PC Jackson and PC Taney hit Japanese SS I-5 submarine 11 times with serious damage to her engine room and with her side penetrated she took on water.

82nd Chinese Corps Waves Goodbye Near Ankang

Ground combat at 82,43 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14191 troops, 96 guns, 137 vehicles, Assault Value = 638

Defending force 2237 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 68

Japanese adjusted assault: 483

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 483 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2818 casualties reported
Squads: 74 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 117 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
9th RGC Route Brigade
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Recon Battalion
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
9th Garrison Unit
101st NCPC Route Brigade
5th NCPC Infantry Brigade

Defending units:
82nd Chinese Corps

Japanese Deliberate Attack West of Paoshan

Ground combat at 64,45 (near Paoshan)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41831 troops, 449 guns, 739 vehicles, Assault Value = 1218

Defending force 12688 troops, 230 guns, 293 vehicles, Assault Value = 442

Japanese adjusted assault: 708

Allied adjusted defense: 1270

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1695 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 218 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 25 (1 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
737 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 96 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Assaulting units:
39th Division
3rd Tank Division
6th Division
22nd Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade

Defending units:
268th Motorised Brigade
24th Infantry/C Division
77th Chindit Brigade
25th Infantry/A Division

Japanese Deliberate Attack East of Mandalay

Ground combat at 60,46 (near Shwebo)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13939 troops, 156 guns, 161 vehicles, Assault Value = 510

Defending force 2903 troops, 42 guns, 46 vehicles, Assault Value = 116

Japanese adjusted assault: 67

Allied adjusted defense: 181

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
177 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Division
14th Tank Regiment
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
159th(Sep) Infantry Regiment

Allied Artillery Shells Shwebo

Japanese suffered 80 casualties; 1 Squad destroyed, 11 Squads disabled, 6 Guns lost, and 1 Gun destroyed.

No Allied casualties.

Allied Artillery Shells the Jungle East of Ramree Island

314 Japanese casualties; 1 Squad destroyed, 30 Squads disabled, 3 Vehicles lost, 2 Vehicles destroyed, and 1 Vehicle disabled.

No Allied casualties.

Lash LaRue Lashio

Allied artillery hits air.

No casualties on either side

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/6/2016 2:35:46 PM

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quote:

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Actually, I think Bombay was closer.

If it is true what you say about shipyard mode & PP penalties, that is of such blockbuster import as never to be forgotten... though the "??" at the end of the statement gives me pause...

I was wrong - confirmed in a thread in the War room. Carry on - run the ship at Full speed - scuttle her.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/6/2016 7:31:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptHaggard

Actually, I think Bombay was closer.

If it is true what you say about shipyard mode & PP penalties, that is of such blockbuster import as never to be forgotten... though the "??" at the end of the statement gives me pause...

I was wrong - confirmed in a thread in the War room. Carry on - run the ship at Full speed - scuttle her.

Mac5!

Thanks for taking the trouble to come in and let us know!

Much appreciated, mate!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/7/2016 9:50:22 AM

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February 22, 1943

Burma airbase sizes:

-Akyab (4)
-Kalemyo (4)
-Katha (1)
-Warazup (1)
-Myitkyina (2)
-Bhamo (2)

Captain Haggard's MGB dents a Japanese submarine.

El Lobo bombs Chengtu, Chungking, and Near Chungking.

The Allies bombard Shwebo, Ramree Island, and Lashio.

No loss of ships or infantry attacks today.

Allied MGB Dents Japanese Submarine Near Goa

Allied MGB No. 81 puts three hits into Japanese submarine SS I-15.

Japanese Bomb Chengtu

Japanese

1 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally)

Allies

115 Casualties
1 Squad destroyed
19 Squads disabled
3 hits (airbase)
1 hit (Airbase Supply)
21 hits (Runway)

Japanese Bomb Chungking

Japanese

1 damaged (Ki-49-Ia Helen)

Allies

17 Casualties
3 Squads disabled

Japanese Bomb 4th and 14th Chinese Corps Near Chungking (Hex 75,46)

Japanese

2 damaged (Ki-51 Sonia)

Allies

5 Casualties
1 Squad disabled

Allies Bombard Shwebo

Japanese

54 Casualties
1 Squad destroyed
5 Squads disabled

Allies

4 Guns lost
1 Gun destroyed
3 Guns disabled

Allies Bombard Jungle One Hex East of Ramree Island

Japanese

195 Casualties
17 Squads disabled

No Allied losses

Allies Bombard Lashio

Japanese

11 Casualties
1 Squad disabled

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/7/2016 4:06:32 PM

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Gentlemen,

I am discovering those MGB are outstanding ASW assets close to the coast. And they are apparently next to impervious? The CR report said: "SS I-15 cannot acquire firing solution on enemy MGB".

Not only are they agile, but possibly their draft is to shallow for torpedo settings?

Which brings me to ask our indulgent Illuminati:

How come Bombay and Calcutta�large ports and plenty of supply�are unable to manufacture more MGB? I note Oz can produce PT-boats, but not MGBs�so it's something to do with India or MGBs or both?

(I also had a wild plan to hit Ramree's shipping from Akyab�is Rio's muted enthusiasm due to him legitimately sensing a suicide mission?)

Thank you, Illuminati!

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/7/2016 5:14:31 PM

CaptHaggard

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Hmm.

Illuminati to Hag: "Read the rest of the rule, chump."

Yeah... "availability"... huh.

Well, I shall refrain from asking the obvious.

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