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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 8:40:29 PM   
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Orm do you have any instructions for the US Entry stuff?

Draw one to the German pool and then we should get one automatically to the Japanese pool.

Could you then post a picture on the US entry pools on our closed thread?
warspite1

Yes - but I will wait for confirmation re the Partisans and markers first.


No need to wait for that. Just mail me the save from the reorganization step and I will change it if need be.

I will probably recreate everything from that step anyway.



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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 8:43:40 PM   
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Orm do you have any instructions for the US Entry stuff?

Draw one to the German pool and then we should get one automatically to the Japanese pool.

Could you then post a picture on the US entry pools on our closed thread?
warspite1

Yes - but I will wait for confirmation re the Partisans and markers first.


No need to wait for that. Just mail me the save from the reorganization step and I will change it if need be.

I will probably recreate everything from that step anyway.


warspite1

Okay I will send over shortly. Can you have a look at the Soviet production please? I cannot use the Manchurian resource - is that right?


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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 8:47:16 PM   
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Can you have a look at the Soviet production please? I cannot use the Manchurian resource - is that right?


Yes. The railroad is still Japanese controlled so you can not get the resource to a factory.




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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:03:07 PM   
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Can you have a look at the Soviet production please? I cannot use the Manchurian resource - is that right?


Yes. The railroad is still Japanese controlled so you can not get the resource to a factory.



warspite1

But I can get it to Vlad following the move by the 3-3 this turn.


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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:06:34 PM   
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But I can get it to Vlad following the move by the 3-3 this turn.

Nope. There is one offending hex that is still Japanese controlled.

Edit: It is actually three hexes.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:14:20 PM   
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But I can get it to Vlad following the move by the 3-3 this turn.

Nope. There is one offending hex that is still Japanese controlled.

Edit: It is actually three hexes.
warspite1

What a twat - I was looking at Harbin.....


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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:16:22 PM   
Orm


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But I can get it to Vlad following the move by the 3-3 this turn.

Nope. There is one offending hex that is still Japanese controlled.

Edit: It is actually three hexes.
warspite1

What a twat - I was looking at Harbin.....


Just to rub it in a bit. USSR has no rail connection to Harbin either.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:17:52 PM   
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But I can get it to Vlad following the move by the 3-3 this turn.

Nope. There is one offending hex that is still Japanese controlled.

Edit: It is actually three hexes.
warspite1

What a twat - I was looking at Harbin.....


Just to rub it in a bit. USSR has no rail connection to Harbin either.
warspite1

Why? Harbin to Vlad - and then Vlad onwards. What is stopping the route between Harbin and Vlad?


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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:24:17 PM   
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But I can get it to Vlad following the move by the 3-3 this turn.

Nope. There is one offending hex that is still Japanese controlled.

Edit: It is actually three hexes.
warspite1

What a twat - I was looking at Harbin.....


Just to rub it in a bit. USSR has no rail connection to Harbin either.
warspite1

Why? Harbin to Vlad - and then Vlad onwards. What is stopping the route between Harbin and Vlad?


This tiny hex. (I removed the counters from showing on the picture)




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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:27:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		But, as said, during the movement phase 14th Army captured that.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:30:18 PM   
Orm


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Status: offline 		Any possibility that you made a undo and forgot to do it? Or you went back to change a rail move and forgot to do it after?

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:33:04 PM   
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Any possibility that you made a undo and forgot to do it? Or you went back to change a rail move and forgot to do it after?
warspite1

With me there is always a possibility I forgot something. But as and when you get a chance you can see from the save game I sent. Not that it matters as there is no link to Tsissthhharr or whatever anyway.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:36:20 PM   
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Any possibility that you made a undo and forgot to do it? Or you went back to change a rail move and forgot to do it after?
warspite1

With me there is always a possibility I forgot something. But as and when you get a chance you can see from the save game I sent.

Sorry. It is my error this time. I forgot I wasn't looking at the latest save.

I am truly sorry. Please forgive me.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 9:57:10 PM   
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Any possibility that you made a undo and forgot to do it? Or you went back to change a rail move and forgot to do it after?
warspite1

With me there is always a possibility I forgot something. But as and when you get a chance you can see from the save game I sent.

Sorry. It is my error this time. I forgot I wasn't looking at the latest save.

I am truly sorry. Please forgive me.
warspite1

Its not a problem - It doesn't matter that I got the rail line to Harbin secured - as the resource is in Tsitisitherr or whatever

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/18/2017 10:07:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Malaysian partisan great. Please could you put the Indian one on the Yelandu resource hex, in the forest. Thanks.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/19/2017 3:30:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		German markers to defence. Move one marker from offense to defence (I think it still is lowest, but do it anyway).

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/19/2017 1:52:46 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/19/2017 7:35:27 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/20/2017 5:26:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any chance of getting a global map screenshot showing hex control? That would provide a nice overview of where the action is. Maybe two: one showing all active Axis and the other showing all active Allied units at sea?

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/20/2017 7:06:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		AllenK or Mayhemizer, I am missing something with the defensive Garrison values but don't know what. Don't worry that the exact numbers don't agree with the game as I have forwarded to start of next turn and placed some dummy German units in Konigsberg - its the calculation that MWIF makes that is the issue.

Garrison value
Germany = 30.5
USSR = 38

Offensive Chits
Germany = 29
USSR = 26

When I add the two together, they agree with the Neutrality Information screen
Germany - 30.5 + 29 = 59.5
USSR - 38 + 26 = 64

But I do not understand the defensive numbers.

Defensive Chits
Germany = 21
USSR = 0

Garrison Value (It's 1941 so there is no amendment to the value)
Germany = 30.5
USSR = 38

So when I add the two together
Germany - 30.5 + 21 = 51.5
USSR - 38 + 0 = 38

This is not what the info screen states.





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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/20/2017 7:38:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe there is something wrong. Germany was far away from being able to declare war (over 10 garrison) before turn end. USSR needed 6 more garrison to be able to declare war before turn end.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/20/2017 8:23:34 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/21/2017 3:27:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are playing with the "Breaking the Nazi-Soviet Pact" optional rule. It kicks in Jul/Aug 41.

No bug.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/21/2017 3:51:44 AM   
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You are playing with the "Breaking the Nazi-Soviet Pact" optional rule. It kicks in Jul/Aug 41.

No bug.
warspite1

Can you confirm where it says this please in RAC - I'm really struggling here. I've tried the obvious searches but I'm not seeing it. Thanks

Edit - Right found it. I couldn't find it in RAC - because its not in RAC .

By going to the optionals there is an explanation and it looks like the calculation changes in the second half of the year (as Courtenay suggested). So I will manually check this now I know what I am looking for.

Edit 2 - Yep, MWIF calculation is correct. As the defensive garrison value drops from 1 to 0.75, the values are 43.875 and 28.5 for the Germans and Soviets respectively.




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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/21/2017 9:04:07 AM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/21/2017 5:04:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am curious: Which of the four players were aware that you were using the "Breaking the Nazi-Soviet pact" optional rule?

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/21/2017 5:19:43 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/22/2017 8:44:59 AM   
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I am curious: Which of the four players were aware that you were using the "Breaking the Nazi-Soviet pact" optional rule?

I was aware, and had focus on that fact.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/22/2017 11:38:29 AM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR - 1/22/2017 12:02:04 PM   
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I though I was aware, but forgot that garrison values change in S/O instead of J/F. So I guess I was not so much aware.

The first turn they have changed is J/A.

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