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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/25/2017 12:32:25 PM   
butch4343

 

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Status: offline 		Firstly please take this in the polite and respectful tone it was written in, I think the development team does sterling work and understand they have lives out with CMNAO.


I was wondering in the past its been muted that there would be an update in the new year , I was wondering if theres any further update on the progress of this?
Keep up the good work.

Cheers

Butch

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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/25/2017 12:58:07 PM   
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Firstly please take this in the polite and respectful tone it was written in, I think the development team does sterling work and understand they have lives out with CMNAO.


I was wondering in the past its been muted that there would be an update in the new year , I was wondering if theres any further update on the progress of this?
Keep up the good work.

Cheers

Butch



You normally get a db update with every update. We did that a bunch of times in 2016 and I think even the latest may have had one. We've got another one coming soon and it should have one.

Thanks

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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/25/2017 1:22:30 PM   
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Hello,

Please if there is time to touch SA-6 Gainfull also rename missiles from 9M336 to correct: 3M9 for SA-6A and 3M9M3 for SA-6B. I don't know why 9M336 is used in connection with SA-6 but it is wrong as it is actually different missile (Verba).

Here you can see what is actually written on SA-6 missile:

http://www.brigadyr.net/pozemni_technika/raketovy_komplet_2k12m3_kub/raketa_3m9/2.htm

http://www.brigadyr.net/pozemni_technika/raketovy_komplet_2k12m3_kub/raketa_3m9/raketa_3m9.htm


You are correct, the SA-6a is also known as the SA-6a, the GAINFUL mod 0 or the Kub, or the 3M9. The SA-6b is also known as the GAINFUL mod 1, the 3M9M1, 3M9M2, 3M9M3 or alternative, the Kub-M1, Kub-M2, or Kub-M3 (each is a slightly different missile). Multiple names (and data sources) for weapons systems is confusing, but that is the reality of any analysis of military hardware. The CMANO datbase team does a really good job of trying to deconflict the various information sources and present an accurate (and fairly complete) database for over ten thousand systems.

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Possible minor change to SA-6b GAINFUL BN - 1/25/2017 3:15:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The SA-6b GAINFUL SAM BN (DB3000 Facility_243, 133) is listed as having a FIRE DOME 9S35 radar with a max range of 40 nm. According to http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Engagement-Fire-Control.html#mozTocId926428, the FIRE DOME 9S36, a slightly different varient of the FIRE DOME has a max detection range vs. a Mig-21 RCS sized target of 100 km/54nm and an acquisition range of 95 km/51 nm. I'll see if I can get numbers for the 9S35 varient, but I suspect they aren't too different from the 9S36

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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/25/2017 3:47:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: butch4343

Firstly please take this in the polite and respectful tone it was written in, I think the development team does sterling work and understand they have lives out with CMNAO.


I was wondering in the past its been muted that there would be an update in the new year , I was wondering if theres any further update on the progress of this?
Keep up the good work.

Cheers

Butch



You normally get a db update with every update. We did that a bunch of times in 2016 and I think even the latest may have had one. We've got another one coming soon and it should have one.

Thanks

Mike





Mike,


Thanks for your response, Im much obliged

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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/26/2017 1:49:29 AM   
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From: http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/easr/

quote:

EASR is a 9 RMA configuration – which is equivalent to the sensitivity of the current SPY-1D(V) radar on today’s destroyers, and at only 20% of the size of the legacy SPS-48. These are considerable enhancements over the radars in service on current (and future) EASR-designated ship classes.

Two variants of EASR will be provided (each face an identical 9-RMA array):

Variant 1 – a single face, rotating radar

Upgraded capability replacing AN/SPS-48 and -49 air search radars
Primary sensor for ship self-defense and situational awareness
Designated radar for LHA-8 and LX(R)

Variant 2 – three face, fixed array radar

Upgraded capability replacing AN/SPY-4 Volume Search Radar
Primary sensor for ship self-defense, situational awareness and air traffic control
Designated radar for CVN 78 Ford-class carriers, starting with CVN 79


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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/27/2017 12:52:08 AM   
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pops up error messages when clicking on it.

Hope that helps.

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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/27/2017 10:57:13 PM   
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Where is Clamshell radar station for S-300/SA-10 SAM? It is critical thing.

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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/28/2017 11:03:29 AM   
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http://www.ausairpower.net/clamshell.html

Where is Clamshell radar station for S-300/SA-10 SAM? It is critical thing.

quote:

Where is Clamshell radar station for S-300/SA-10 SAM? It is critical thing.

Насколько я понял,там нужно отдельно ставить обзорную РЛС(для с-300/400 и других он есть в разделе радары).

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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/28/2017 1:02:49 PM   
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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/29/2017 6:21:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Belarus only exists in the facility database
It does not have any aircraft in the database
Is this a bug?

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RE: Possible minor change to SA-6a GAINFUL data - 1/29/2017 1:53:36 PM   
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Belarus only exists in the facility database
It does not have any aircraft in the database
Is this a bug?


No just haven't added many platforms yet.

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DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/29/2017 8:47:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		This missile looks to be ship/sub capable according to the Launch Altitude Info, but I can't find a mount to use it with, or method to load a Weapons Record to an existing mount for Chinese Ships.

I realize the actual missile may not quite yet be in full service, but I am developing a scenario set in the future and thought I would be able to up-gun a large Chinese warships to carry some of them since the missile does exist in the database.

I am currently using the P-800 Onyx as a stand-in for up-gunning because it's characteristics are similar.

Am I missing something on how to add this missile?

Thanks!

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/30/2017 3:55:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		My computer was broken so I haven't check the database for a while. Is Type-909/A weapon experiment ship in DB3000? It was famoused during the YJ-12 & HQ-XX (super long range SAM/ABSM) tests reported by media:

EDIT: Checked after my PC is repaired, this ship isn't in DB.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_909_weapon_trials_ship





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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/30/2017 10:20:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi folks,
I wonder if it would be possible request a load out to be added to the DB at next update.
I am working on a scenario for GW1, I notice the RAF Jaguars lack a tactical reconnaissance capability in CMNAO, where this was a major role of UK based Jaguars. The recce pod was a custom built BAE (then BAC) pod that featured 1 oblique camera, a fan of 4 horizon to horizon cameras in the mid section and an IR linescan unit in the rear, to provide a night photography capability. It was mounted on the centre line pylon of the Jaguar, the typical load out being
1x BAE reconnaissance pod centre line
2x 1200litre Drop Tanks Left/Right Inboard
1xAQL-101 DECM Pod and Phimat Dispenser Left/Right Outboard
The operational range for the Jaguar in this configuration would be 400nm on a hi-lo-hi profile, I would suggest that loadout ID#3155 would be a good fit for aircraft performance, with the recce pod swapped for CBU. I have looked around the DB for a very comparable recce pod, the one that springs to mind is the #989 - GAF Recce Pod [EO + IRLS] -- 1999, 200-2000ft, both are primarily low level pods , both have a day/night capability.
Now to throw some meet on the bones of my request, I have included below links that confirm the pod was operational from the late 1970s through to until the DJRP replaced the BAE Pod in the late 1990s

http://www.airvectors.net/avjag.html
http://www.spyflight.co.uk/jag%20pod.htm

Cheers
Butch

Added Jaguar EMI pods and follow on Vinton Pods to British Jags


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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/30/2017 12:42:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello! Where is soviet\russian secret subs like Yankee Stretch, Delta III Strech, Delta IV Strech and KS-139 Belgorod (Oscar II Special)?

And they special payload - deep diving submarines like:

AC-23, the original Project 1851 Nelma (X-RAY) submarine. 44m long, can dive to about 1,000m (3,000ft)
AC-21, an improved Project 18511 Halibut (PALTUS) class boat. About 55m long and can probably dive to around 1,000m (3,000ft) per the X-RAY
AC-35, the second Project 18511 PALTUS. Slight differences to the first.
AC-31, Project 10831 LOSHARIK. Significantly larger at 70m and probably deeper diving.

http://www.hisutton.com/Spy%20Subs%20-Project%2009852%20Belgorod.html

And yes, i want India-class and Sarov-class too. =)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-class_submarine
http://www.hisutton.com/SAROV-Class_Submarine.html

US counterparts will be cool too.

http://www.hisutton.com/USS_Parche.html
http://www.hisutton.com/Secret%20Sub%20-%20USS%20Halibut.html



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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/30/2017 5:33:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is there a way to add a sensor to a ship that will deploy at a height to simulate TALONS?

TALONS System Mimics a Mast as Tall as a Skyscraper
http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2015-09-24

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/30/2017 6:37:08 PM   
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Is there a way to add a sensor to a ship that will deploy at a height to simulate TALONS?

TALONS System Mimics a Mast as Tall as a Skyscraper
http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2015-09-24


Yeah we've been looking at that. Need to figure out a way to give it an elevation.

Mike

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/31/2017 3:59:52 AM   
spec111

 

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Status: offline 		Hello! There is HUGE MAJOR error of S-300P-series organization in Command!

Lets look at S-300PS. Whole AD system is called BRIGADE! (It is given to Front\Military Region Command in peace time.)

Brigade has HQ Vehicle 5N83S, 36D6 Tin Shield B Radar and 4 (for PS and PMU, and up to 6 for PMU-1) AD BNs (which is called "Antiaircraft Missile Complex".)

Every BN has:
HQ Vehicle 5N63S, 5N63S Flap Lid B and 5N66 Clam Shell B radars.
And up to four "Launch Complexes" (which is batteries). Every battery consists one "master" (with firecontrol box) 5P85S TEL and two "slave" (without firecontrol box) 5P85D TELs. So every "master" TEL can support only two "slave" TELs.

So at maximum in battalion we have 3x4=12 TELs.

12! Not four as we have on chinese SA-20a "Bn" (which is supplied with full pack of BNs radars). And not four as we have with SA-20b "Bn" (i.e. errorish battery which is supplied with _BRIGADE_ level Cheese Board long-range radar!).

In fact there is same problem with russian S-300V. With 9 TELs+LLVs it is not BN, it is only regular battery!

Thx.

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/31/2017 1:06:34 PM   
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This missile looks to be ship/sub capable according to the Launch Altitude Info, but I can't find a mount to use it with, or method to load a Weapons Record to an existing mount for Chinese Ships.

I realize the actual missile may not quite yet be in full service, but I am developing a scenario set in the future and thought I would be able to up-gun a large Chinese warships to carry some of them since the missile does exist in the database.

I am currently using the P-800 Onyx as a stand-in for up-gunning because it's characteristics are similar.

Am I missing something on how to add this missile?

Thanks!


I thought I would bump this to see if the Dev's could give me some help. The missile in question is DB ID #2862 YJ-12 SSM

Thanks!

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/31/2017 1:29:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kitchens Sink

This missile looks to be ship/sub capable according to the Launch Altitude Info, but I can't find a mount to use it with, or method to load a Weapons Record to an existing mount for Chinese Ships.

I realize the actual missile may not quite yet be in full service, but I am developing a scenario set in the future and thought I would be able to up-gun a large Chinese warships to carry some of them since the missile does exist in the database.

I am currently using the P-800 Onyx as a stand-in for up-gunning because it's characteristics are similar.

Am I missing something on how to add this missile?

Thanks!


I thought I would bump this to see if the Dev's could give me some help. The missile in question is DB ID #2862 YJ-12 SSM

Thanks!



For now just add the YJ record to an existing mount. If you look int the weapons dialog you can replace both mounts and weapons records (there are add a remove buttons for both). So find an existing missile mount, remove the missile records from it and add the YJ's. There is a 4 record for this. I just tested and fired fine.

Thanks

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/31/2017 1:43:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok thanks mike. I'll give it a go again later. Last time I tried I couldn't get that particular missile in the menu options to add to a mount. I guess I made an error somewhere.

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 1/31/2017 10:12:48 PM   
Kitchens Sink

 

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Status: offline 		I see what my problem was.

It seems the only available YJ-12 missile type to load onto a mount is DB ID#2863 (the air-launched version with a minimum launch altitude of 200 ft. AGL) vs. DB ID#2862 (the "SSM" version with a launch altitude of 0ft AGL to -160 ft. AGL). I assumed the Air Launched version wouldn't work on a ship. But like you said I loaded #2863 onto a Chinese type 055 and it fired off ok....so I guess it's all good.

Not sure how it would work on on a submarine, but I may try that out later.

Thanks!

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 12:37:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello! Why tech datas of chinese JYL-1 and REL-6B radars are same? I think JYL-1 is PESA radar and REL-6B is more cheaper and clasical "mechanical" radar. Or it is bug in DB-wiki?


https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataSensor?ID=3211 https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataSensor?ID=3213

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 1:46:22 AM   
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Hello! Why tech datas of chinese JYL-1 and REL-6B radars are same? I think JYL-1 is PESA radar and REL-6B is more cheaper and clasical "mechanical" radar. Or it is bug in DB-wiki?


https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataSensor?ID=3211 https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataSensor?ID=3213


They might be alike. Do you have data ?

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 3:30:50 AM   
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DJI Phantom 4

Yes, it is a drone. According to Amazon, you can get one for about $1000. Not too shabby if you need a little electronic spy to spot your enemies and direct fire onto them.

Nationality: Generic
Service dates: 2016-present

DJI Phantom 4 Specs

"DJI upped the ante with the Phantom 4 drone. The DJI Phantom 4 quadcopter offers more power, speed, and features than the Phantom 3. This Phantom 4 HD video camera sports 4K resolution, while the drone itself has multiple sensors, dual GPS and GLONASS navigation, an advanced Visual Positioning System (VPS), and automated subject-tracking and obstacle avoidance."

Here is a simplified list of the Phantom 4 specs:

Weight 3 lbs.
Max Ascent Speed 13.4 MPH
Max Descent Speed 8.9 MPH
Max Forward Speed 45 MPH
Max Ceiling 400 ft. (Electronically Limited) <-- another source lists actual ceiling as 6000 m. (Imagine what you can spot at 6000 m. just with your camera.)
Max Flight Time 28 min.
Operating Temp 32° to 104°F
Satellite Systems GPS & GLONASS
Obstacle Sensory Range 2 to 49 ft.
Gimbal Control Range -90° to +30° Pitch
Camera Sensor 1/2.3"
Lens FOV 94°
ISO Range 100-3200
Max Image Size 4000x3000
Max Video Size 4096x2160
Max Video Bitrate 60 Mbps
File Systems FAT32, exFAT
Photo Formats JPEG, DNG
Video Formats MP4, MOV, MPEG
Charger Specs 17.4v, 100w
Remote Frequency 2.400-2.483 GHz
Max Transmission Range 3.1 mi. <-- http://www.drone-world.com/dji-phantom-4-range-extender/ offers an extender giving it a 5-mile control range; with 28 minutes of power, the drone could probably fly 5 miles, hover for up to 10 minutes, and then fly 5 miles back.
Battery Model Intelligent Flight PH4
Battery Specs 5,350 mAh, 15.2v

Sources
http://www.drone-world.com/dji-phantom-4-specs
https://www.dji.com/phantom-4/info
https://dl.djicdn.com/downloads/phantom_4/en/Phantom_4_User_Manual_en_v1.0.pdf

Thanks for considering this one.


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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 5:51:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mgellis, traditional fix-winged toys could be scary too. And DJI isn't the only brand to be blamed as the terrortist's favorite.

Maybe three generic-based alternatives, and then sub-catalogue them in different sizes?

E.g.:

Generic Unmanned Portable Multi-copter (Hover)
<2KG (Camera only)
2-5KG (w/ <0.5KG payload)
5-10KG (w/ <1KG payload)

Generic Unmanned Portable Aircraft (Fixed-wings)
<2KG (Camera only)
2-5KG (w/ <1KG payload)
5-10KG (w/ <2KG payload)

Generic Unmanned Portable Ornithopter (Powered Glide)
Small (Camara only, imitate small birds, better stealth, short duration)
Large (Camera only, imitate large birds, less stealthy, long duration)

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 9:46:45 AM   
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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 10:13:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: spec111

Hello! Why tech datas of chinese JYL-1 and REL-6B radars are same? I think JYL-1 is PESA radar and REL-6B is more cheaper and clasical "mechanical" radar. Or it is bug in DB-wiki?


https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataSensor?ID=3211 https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataSensor?ID=3213


They might be alike. Do you have data ?

Mike




REL-6B
Frequency: 1-2 GHz
Detection range: 300 km (csc² beam, free space); 360 km (pencil beam, free space)
Accuracy: 0.6º (azimuth); 400 m (range)
Resolution: 1.1º (azimuth); 700 m (range)


JYL-1
Specifications
Range: >= 350 km (Pd = 0.8, Pf =10-6, SWI, {sigma} = 2 m²)
Coverage: 0º ~ 25º (elevation - Pd = 0.8, Pf =10-6, SWI, {sigma} = 2 m²); 0º ~ 360º (azimuth - Pd = 0.8, Pf =10-6,
SWI, {sigma} = 2 m²): >= 30,000 m (height - Pd = 0.8, Pf =10-6, SWI, {sigma} = 2 m²)
Accuracy: <= 0.25º RMS (azimuth); <= 80 m RMS (range); <= 600 m RMS (height, at 200 km range)
Resolution: 2º (azimuth - Pd = 0.5); 180 m (range - Pd = 0.5)
MTBCF: >= 800 h
MTTR: <= 30 min
Set-up/tear-down time: <= 1 h (crew of 8 people)

From Janes Radar and Electronic Warfare Systems.

Updated Thanks!

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 10:14:21 AM   
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Hello! There is HUGE MAJOR error of S-300P-series organization in Command!

Lets look at S-300PS. Whole AD system is called BRIGADE! (It is given to Front\Military Region Command in peace time.)

Brigade has HQ Vehicle 5N83S, 36D6 Tin Shield B Radar and 4 (for PS and PMU, and up to 6 for PMU-1) AD BNs (which is called "Antiaircraft Missile Complex".)

Every BN has:
HQ Vehicle 5N63S, 5N63S Flap Lid B and 5N66 Clam Shell B radars.
And up to four "Launch Complexes" (which is batteries). Every battery consists one "master" (with firecontrol box) 5P85S TEL and two "slave" (without firecontrol box) 5P85D TELs. So every "master" TEL can support only two "slave" TELs.

So at maximum in battalion we have 3x4=12 TELs.

12! Not four as we have on chinese SA-20a "Bn" (which is supplied with full pack of BNs radars). And not four as we have with SA-20b "Bn" (i.e. errorish battery which is supplied with _BRIGADE_ level Cheese Board long-range radar!).

In fact there is same problem with russian S-300V. With 9 TELs+LLVs it is not BN, it is only regular battery!

Thx.



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