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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:41:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Buckeyes do not produce fruits as large as grapefruits, unless you're growing banzai grapefruits the size of walnuts or smaller.

Yes, persimmon is dioecious (male and female plants) while buckeyes are monoecious.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:41:51 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:43:20 AM   
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"Cypress" and "cedar" are both used for a wide variety of unrelated trees, which can be very confusing.

For instance, the Atlas cedar of North Africa is unrelated to the southern red cedar of the eastern United States. Southern red cedar, in turn, is commonly as "juniper" and carries the botanical name Juniperus virginiana.

The bald cypress and the pond cypress of the eastern United States are related, but they are not related to the cypress of the Middle East.


I have a Blue Atlas Cedar in my front yard, as well as two "Green Giant" Thujas and a Juniper bush, two Hollys and two Yews and some other stuff. So there, professor!

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:44:43 AM   
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Buckeyes do not produce fruits as large as grapefruits, unless you're growing banzai grapefruits the size of walnuts or smaller.

Yes, persimmon is dioecious (male and female plants) while buckeyes are monoecious.


Are you saying my nuggets aren't as big as yours? Take it back varlet!

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:44:48 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:47:14 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:48:19 AM   
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Staghorn Sumac is my latest obsession.

Still trying to find the plant-tree morphine of North America.


That would be Sassafras. Beware all ye who enter there.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:48:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Persimmon wood is dark, very heavy and shock resistant. It was commonly used for golf club heads and gun stocks. It is so valuable that there was actually a black market for persimmon wood back in the '70s and '80s. People would trespass to cut down the trees and sell the wood to golf club manufacturers. Today, though, "woods" are made of graphite or steel or composite wood.

Black walnut was used for making airplane propellers during World War I. Back in my forestry days in the early '80s, I spoke to farmers who recalled government agents traveling through Georgia looking to by black walnut.

I recall that a single black walnut tree, I think in Illinois, selling for something like $40,000 in the 1970s.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:50:15 AM   
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Shagbark Hickory are my favorite nuts. No not that Shaggy .... from Scooby...


Black Walnuts for me. An uncle would take me on walks through black walnut forests and his basement had mounds of them and he used a bench vise to open them up. Oh, the memories.

These stands of black walnut trees were within walking distance of Moundsville WV.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:52:03 AM   
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Staghorn Sumac is my latest obsession.

Still trying to find the plant-tree morphine of North America.


That would be Sassafras. Beware all ye who enter there.



Aware of Sassafras. I speak of a true morphine as written in the personal letters of Tecumseh, among others. A plant and a tree in a proximity and chemical combination.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:53:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Back in 1983, I was the resident assistant (RA) on 3rd Floor Center, Myers Hall, University of Georgia. That mean I was to keep order among 30 or 40 high-spirited, good-natured college men.

I must've talked too much about trees (like I'm doing in this thread tonight). One night, a mischievous resident named Bobby Ray Tompkins took a washable black marker and drew graffiti all over my door. I don't recall everything he wrote, but one depiction had a stick figure (me) saying, "I like trees."

Where the letters RA were stenciled in the door, he added new letters: RAss.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:56:42 AM   
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Back in 1983, I was the resident assistant (RA) on 3rd Floor Center, Myers Hall, University of Georgia. That mean I was to keep order among 30 or 40 high-spirited, good-natured college men.

I must've talked too much about trees (like I'm doing in this thread tonight). One night, a mischievous resident named Bobby Ray Tompkins took a washable black marker and drew graffiti all over my door. I don't recall everything he wrote, but one depiction had a stick figure (me) saying, "I like trees."

Where the letters RA were stenciled in the door, he added new letters: RAss.


Did the R stand for Red?

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 1:57:06 AM   
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Shagbark Hickory are my favorite nuts. No not that Shaggy .... from Scooby...


Black Walnuts for me. An uncle would take me on walks through black walnut forests and his basement had mounds of them and he used a bench vise to open them up. Oh, the memories.

These stands of black walnut trees were within walking distance of Moundsville WV.



Ive got several black walnut trees. the green husk has several uses. It can be be powdered and used to stun fish.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:01:30 AM   
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Back in 1983, I was the resident assistant (RA) on 3rd Floor Center, Myers Hall, University of Georgia. That mean I was to keep order among 30 or 40 high-spirited, good-natured college men.

I must've talked too much about trees (like I'm doing in this thread tonight). One night, a mischievous resident named Bobby Ray Tompkins took a washable black marker and drew graffiti all over my door. I don't recall everything he wrote, but one depiction had a stick figure (me) saying, "I like trees."

Where the letters RA were stenciled in the door, he added new letters: RAss.



Trying to make you leave?

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:04:35 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:09:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Post oak, pin oak and red oak, I used to be able to tell them apart. When I was young I renovated old buildings and they had something few of you would be familiar with, Missouri yellow pine. That species of lumber is rather remarkable. You are probably familiar with white pine and how easy it is to drill holes in it or drive nails into it. Not Missouri Yellow Pine. During the Civil War the Union built what were called "Wood Clad" boats (as opposed to iron-clads). They were made of that species of wood and it was and is like iron. In order to drive nails into yellow pine you had to drill holes in it first, otherwise the nails would just bend into pretzels. Of course you had to drill holes for screws but try screwing them in flush. Fuhgeddaboudit! You could break your screwdriver in the attempt and I'm not kidding. the head of you driver could fracture into pieces. I'm talking about framing that was in place, you wouldn't buy Missouri yellow pine on purpose.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:11:11 AM   
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Parts of the Tulip Poplar are said to have Viagra effects.


Tulip trees can get monstrously big and few trees have such straight trunks.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:22:51 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:26:29 AM   
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Post oak, pin oak and red oak, I used to be able to tell them apart. When I was young I renovated old buildings and they had something few of you would be familiar with, Missouri yellow pine. That species of lumber is rather remarkable. You are probably familiar with white pine and how easy it is to drill holes in it or drive nails into it. Not Missouri Yellow Pine. During the Civil War the Union built what were called "Wood Clad" boats (as opposed to iron-clads). They were made of that species of wood and it was and is like iron. In order to drive nails into yellow pine you had to drill holes in it first, otherwise the nails would just bend into pretzels. Of course you had to drill holes for screws but try screwing them in flush. Fuhgeddaboudit! You could break your screwdriver in the attempt and I'm not kidding. the head of you driver could fracture into pieces. I'm talking about framing that was in place, you wouldn't buy Missouri yellow pine on purpose.



There is ~60 species of Oak in North American and a lot of crossbreeding. Good info....Boatbuilding is awesome, wish I could do it.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:27:48 AM   
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More on Missouri yellow pine. Those drill bits you used to make holes for nails, you could throw them away after a few holes, they were so dull. Carbide circular saw blades? They couldn't hold up for long either.



Before and/or after drying?

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:29:18 AM   
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More on Missouri yellow pine. Those drill bits you used to make holes for nails, you could throw them away after a few holes, they were so dull. Carbide circular saw blades? They couldn't hold up for long either.



How did you know when it was time to throw away a bit? It wasn't going anywhere and it was smoking, if you didn't stop it would start a fire.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:34:32 AM   
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More on Missouri yellow pine. Those drill bits you used to make holes for nails, you could throw them away after a few holes, they were so dull. Carbide circular saw blades? They couldn't hold up for long either.



Before and/or after drying?


Well, like I said, you wouldn't knowingly buy yellow pine for construction. I was talking about two by fours (and they actually are 2x4s, not 1 1/2" by 3 1/2", they were honest about that in the 19th century and early 20th) and they were aged like fine whiskey, they didn't need drying.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:38:14 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:46:44 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 2:59:19 AM   
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Dang it, the Abelia are also from Asia. So are the Distylium. I give up. I don't even want to know where the weeds originated. At least the varieties of Azalea I planted are Appalachian natives.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 3:01:44 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 3:04:08 AM   
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The most accurate writer I've ever come across is Terry Kay of Athens, Georgia. He wrote To Dance with the White Dog, which turned into a Hallmark movie starring Jessica Tandy. Terry never, ever makes a mistake in his writing.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 3:13:37 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 3:16:48 AM   
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I heard it used as another name for cottonmouth and others claim that its a different non poisonous snake.

Marlon Perkins insisted that the two were completely different species, that the Cottonmouth was venomous, the Water Moccasin was non-venomous.

moccasins as from a Indian pov would mean walking... safe to walk - as non-venomous snake hunts venomous.

Why... in what context would moccasin be applied to any snake?

I have King snakes around the house and Ive seen the look of terror on the face of venomous snakes when they are being stalked by them.



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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/28/2017 3:25:50 AM   
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