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In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) is e... - 7/22/2016 9:43:35 AM   
Joseignacio


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Status: offline 		WIF, the game that was the origin of MWIF and whose rules are 95% the same (save some adaptations Steven had to do), has been evolving along the years, being these late ones a comparatively "fast" evolution, some years for many changes instead of decades...

However, those changes were only available to a few people, the "testers", which usually were "recruited" in the EuroWifCon and I guess american WIFCON, and others, ..., and their groups who they play at home with.

Or at least that's what Harry asked us for, not to spread it while it was under development.

Ok, the latest version, which will be released in EuroWifCon in Sept/Oct this year, is now public, so you can see the multiple changes and (IMO) improvements it makes. It's still a draft though.

Just a caveat, don't start asking Steve with versions adapted to the 8.xx versions of the rules instead of version 7. It's impossible, at the current state and you know it.

Lower part of this page, the Collector Edition items:

http://www.a-d-g.com.au/pages/downloads

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/22/2016 10:02:44 PM   
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Check out the ADG blog

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/22/2016 10:11:56 PM   
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New maps this fall too...

Check out the ADG blog
warspite1

Can't see the maps properly but although an improvement (I cannot see those hideous orange fists) the flippin' mountains are still that shiny grey colour

Why not just use the MWIF map design???

Anyway - roll on October - I can't wait to get my hands on the Collectors Edition


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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/24/2016 6:50:06 AM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/24/2016 7:43:28 PM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/26/2016 8:32:08 AM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/27/2016 8:47:09 PM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/27/2016 8:50:24 PM   
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Where have you found map images? I don't see them in the downloads section.
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Look at the News page. Its not very big and not particularly clear though.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/28/2016 5:19:28 PM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/29/2016 10:14:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, really like some of the new options and rules updates! I noticed the start and end dates went from 1936 - 195-something. Is this to allow Days of Decisions to be played as a "prequel?"
I got both board games when they first came out and enjoyed them both, even though I always had to play solitaire. I guess that's why I am so pleased with MWIF. Solitaire is what I am accustomed to.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/30/2016 8:02:31 AM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/20/2016 6:26:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's awesome! I got the original DOD and had a lot of fun with that years ago, as well as the original WIF.
I assume order of battle is determined at start of war somehow? With the old production spiral it would be pretty easy to have all the pre-Sept 1, 1939 production set up and players take over production whenever the war actually starts. Is that how it works?
Also, is 9/1/39 the latest the war can begin?

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/21/2016 7:26:21 AM   
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Where have you found map images? I don't see them in the downloads section.

now the draft version is online on ADG

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0714/3419/files/WiF8_World_150_45_percent.jpg?8482247284812448819

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/23/2016 7:44:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love the maps! I did notice though that now I'm totally spoiled to the MWIF full world maps. Many more options involving minor ports in areas that don't appear on the new WIF maps, plus the possibilities of land campaigns in South Africa & South America.
The new maps do make some things easier I guess, like moving units in Norway to Finland, but having the space for WIF map set up remains the big issue.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/23/2016 11:59:55 PM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/24/2016 8:34:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		IMO the old oil rules are better and already programmed and thus automatic on the computer which eliminates their one and only downside: counting up the oil needed at the end of each turn.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/24/2016 7:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		After quick reading, RAW 8 haven´t got very interesting changes I´m a little dissapointment. Maybe the oil rules are more operative than the older one. About the maps I´.m in love with MWIF maps and the old WIF maps can´t break my love.


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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/24/2016 8:10:09 PM   
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After quick reading, RAW 8 haven´t got very interesting changes I´m a little dissapointment. Maybe the oil rules are more operative than the older one. About the maps I´.m in love with MWIF maps and the old WIF maps can´t break my love.

warspite1

True dat. The new maps look a little better than before, but why they don't adopt the exquisite MWIF colouring is just beyond me Grey mountains.... bloody grey mountains.....hideous


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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/25/2016 5:04:10 PM   
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After quick reading, RAW 8 haven´t got very interesting changes I´m a little dissapointment. Maybe the oil rules are more operative than the older one. About the maps I´.m in love with MWIF maps and the old WIF maps can´t break my love.


There are at least 100 changes to the rules and charts between RAW7 and RAW8. The game is still WiF with the same core systems, but many refinements, simplifications, and fixes for gamey ploys have been added. Personally, I don't like some of the new rules and options but overall RAW8 is an improvement on RAW7.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 8/26/2016 2:18:15 AM   
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After quick reading, RAW 8 haven´t got very interesting changes I´m a little dissapointment. Maybe the oil rules are more operative than the older one. About the maps I´.m in love with MWIF maps and the old WIF maps can´t break my love.


There are at least 100 changes to the rules and charts between RAW7 and RAW8. The game is still WiF with the same core systems, but many refinements, simplifications, and fixes for gamey ploys have been added. Personally, I don't like some of the new rules and options but overall RAW8 is an improvement on RAW7.



Maybe my reading was too quick

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 9/25/2016 8:12:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: brian brian

New maps this fall too...

Check out the ADG blog
warspite1

Can't see the maps properly but although an improvement (I cannot see those hideous orange fists) the flippin' mountains are still that shiny grey colour

Why not just use the MWIF map design???

Anyway - roll on October - I can't wait to get my hands on the Collectors Edition

warspite1

Latest news is that this won't now be ready until April 2017.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 10/20/2016 7:05:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The new maps have quite some changes. Harry is especially proud of how distances are more correct now when you try to triangulate ;) Also the railnet was upgraded to be based off maps from the late 30's instead of early 20's. Some changes in the German north sea possessions and France (France-First during Winter 39/40 become easier). Oslo is invadable. +2 hexrows in Russia. Sicily now invadable from the WMed. Getting rid of the Africa/Scandinavia map. Pacific sea zones and islands changed a bit. and much more ..

RAW8 is an improvement in most ways (except the ridiculous new ASW table). Being stuck on RAW7 must make you really sad..

There will also be a new set of counters with some changes for CE and new setups (esp. USE chits will be changed slightly).

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 10/20/2016 7:23:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am looking forward to the new maps and counters and rules - and hopefully I will see them as positive like you do (the ASW table excepted apparently). Regardless I will be purchasing the moment I can.

However as far as MWIF is concerned and RAW 7, you are quite wrong.

1. I don't know what RAW 8 does so I can hardly be sad - let alone really sad - not to be playing with that rule set.

2. At some point in the future I will know what the differences are however. And? It's a bit like owning CIV IV. I own CIV IV, I like and play CIV IV a lot. CIV V and soon, CIV VI will be out, but I cannot play them as I have a computer that is too old and warty - a bit like my good self. But you know what? I still like CIV IV and so the fact there is a different version out there matters not one jot.

So there you go.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 10/21/2016 4:30:57 AM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 10/21/2016 4:36:35 PM   
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I am looking forward to the new maps and counters and rules - and hopefully I will see them as positive like you do (the ASW table excepted apparently). Regardless I will be purchasing the moment I can.

However as far as MWIF is concerned and RAW 7, you are quite wrong.

1. I don't know what RAW 8 does so I can hardly be sad - let alone really sad - not to be playing with that rule set.

2. At some point in the future I will know what the differences are however. And? It's a bit like owning CIV IV. I own CIV IV, I like and play CIV IV a lot. CIV V and soon, CIV VI will be out, but I cannot play them as I have a computer that is too old and warty - a bit like my good self. But you know what? I still like CIV IV and so the fact there is a different version out there matters not one jot.

So there you go.

Hear, hear.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 2/28/2017 7:18:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: brian brian

New maps this fall too...

Check out the ADG blog
warspite1

Can't see the maps properly but although an improvement (I cannot see those hideous orange fists) the flippin' mountains are still that shiny grey colour

Why not just use the MWIF map design???

Anyway - roll on October - I can't wait to get my hands on the Collectors Edition

warspite1

Latest news is that this won't now be ready until April 2017.
warspite1

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Looks like April is now October but there is some good news - see link below:

http://www.a-d-g.com.au/blogs/news/121506881-world-in-flames-collectors-edition



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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 2/28/2017 9:44:51 PM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 3/1/2017 6:03:24 PM   
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The mounted maps alone make it...
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Yep


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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 3/1/2017 6:47:45 PM   
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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 3/1/2017 6:51:13 PM   
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Will the collector's edition be RAW 7 or RAW 8?
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It has to be RAW 8. This is the last WIF they will ever do apparently. Finit. The End


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