wild_Willie2
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Getting back to the OP's question about Sa-21a/b systems engaging stealthy targets from more then 100 miles.
The OP was most likely referring to the Crimean Rivers scenario where the Sa-21a/b system is engaging F-22's and JASM's from more then 100 miles. The Sa-21 can engage these targets because they get spotted by other systems (most likely the IRST systems on the Su-35 fighters) and then the S-400 simply just lobs long range missiles at them, often with deadly results. From the front, the radar on the SU-35 can spot your stealth fighters from around 25 miles but its far worse from the rear where you can be seen by the IRST sensor from 90+ miles. So circling withing 90 miles of a Su-35 is just asking to get a long range S-400 missile up your tailpipe. IRL, the Su-35 does not have this capacity as it doesn't have a datalink, but due to game mechanics this works in game (It was actually big news when a cutting edge F-35 managed to guide a SM-6 missile to an air target just a few months ago). The trick to avoiding this is to absolutely 100% kill all Su-35's, within 45 degrees of pointing their nose at you, within 90 miles before turning your backside at them (hint, sneak up on individual fighters, launch 4 AMRAAM's at them from max range and then keep on flying toward the target at 350 knts until you kill it).
There are several way to defeat this scenario, but these all more or less center on two phases:
A) kill OR distract the patrolling Su-35 fighters so your weapons can hit their targets more or less unseen.
B) Have the S-400 systems expend their missiles so you can engage the patrolling Su-35 fighters much more efficient.
There are several ways to achieve these goals. The most easy way I found for the S-400 to expend most of its missiles is to spam MALD's at it until it runs dry. If you use all your ready MALD loaded carrier and land based AC for this at the beginning of the scenario (including the B-52's), you can achieve this goal within 5 hours of the beginning of the scenario. After this, you can go Su-35 hunting with your F-22's and F-35's until a decent dent has been made in this population. To finish things up, have a 120 tomahawk missile strike come in from the south west to distract the remaining Su-35's while your B1's unleash a decapitation JASM strike at the Crimean based runways and radar systems FROM THE NORTH. You can then finish things up with either with a massive follow on B1 strike from the north 20 hours later or by equipping the F35's with JASM's and by striking from the south east.
Mix in the non stealthy storm shadow equipped fighters from the west (either to distract the Su-35's or if these are already decimated, to take out more targets) however you like.
I generally loose only about 10 AC during this scenario if you use these tactics (mostly F-15 and F-16 fighters in air to air combat over the Med and 2-3 stealth fighters while intercepting PAK sweeps).
W.
< Message edited by wild_Willie2 -- 3/2/2017 2:27:24 PM >
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