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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:03:23 PM   
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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:05:39 PM   
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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:15:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few more bombers go in, the Nells fly against Wake in the afternoon, and 7 Wildcats are flying CAP, but too high, thank goodness, or it could have been a bloodbath.

Paratroopers!




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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:21:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Two surprises for the day...I didn't think he could change attack orders just CAP percentage. Costs me a Yusen N Cargo ship here...she will most likely burn up tomorrow.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Laoag at 81,72

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Nagara Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires

Japanese ground losses:
299 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 500 lb SAP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Laoag at 81,72

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-10B x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Nagara Maru, heavy fires

Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-10B bombing from 1000 feet *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 lb GP Bomb


And here just some minor damage:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taytay at 75,82

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Fubuki, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x OS2U-3 Kingfisher bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb



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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:23:19 PM   
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Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 106 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 106
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 131

Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 13 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 6 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 3 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 3 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB California, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Ralph Talbot, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Helena, Torpedo hits 1
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1
DM Preble, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AV Tangier, Torpedo hits 1
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1

Repair Shipyard hits 7
Airbase hits 47
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 72
Port hits 19
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
18 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
18 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 10000 feet
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
27 x D3A1 Val bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
27 x D3A1 Val bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 plane(s) with no ordnance
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
18th PG/73rd PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes

Magazine explodes on BB Pennsylvania

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:26:21 PM   
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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:32:11 PM   
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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:36:35 PM   
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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:39:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

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Thanks Makee!

Those are just friggin great!

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/17/2017 10:47:28 PM   
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Buckle down, JFB's, we are in for a heck of a ride!




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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/17/2017 10:49:12 PM   
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1) I think its gamey. Not important what I think though. It's what you and Obvert think.
2) How many factories are you going to put into Tony to move up the 100 I by 2 years? That is a lot of R&D, and you will not even have 500 engines in the pool until fall 42, even with heavy Kawasaki R&D and production. By using much less Heavy Industry for R&D, you can have the 61D in early 43 and the Tony 1 in early 44. The only major differences between the 61D and the 100 I are 4 points of manuever and 1 service rating. All things are a tradeoff.

Oh... I just realized that the 100 uses the Mit 33. So I guess going for it directly is more efficient than I initially thought.


All feedback welcome, especially disagreeing feedback is often the most valuable.

I see you caught the engine change for the 100; that is why to go for it.

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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/17/2017 11:01:27 PM   
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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/17/2017 11:05:36 PM   
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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/17/2017 11:09:47 PM   
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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/17/2017 11:10:15 PM   
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Allied Ships
BB California, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Torpedo planes had a party on Battleship Row.

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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/17/2017 11:21:11 PM   
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Paratroopers!


Giretsu Kuteitai

Often overlooked. Could be some beneficial special missions in their use throughout the war. Especially lightly garrisoned airfields.







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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/18/2017 12:49:54 AM   
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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/18/2017 1:11:11 AM   
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Landings? All those damaged ships are nice, but where did you land?


Landings: Laog, Bataan, Taytay, and Kota Baru.


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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 1:46:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I airlifted some of the 3rd Air Division into Patani to get some AV support there for the fighters.

A Babs unit start here, with a detachment over Saigon way. They already fly the Dinah, so I manually upgraded the Babs unit, and then flew the detachment to Patani and combined them.

Now I have a great recon unit, lacking pilots which I will fix shortly, that can hopefully avoid the CAP over Singers and give us some great reporting there.






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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 2:05:55 AM   
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If you upgrade these guys to planes other than the Nick A, you will lose the ability to make a night fighter out of the unit. And that would severely weaken your night fighting capability since it is a very large squadron.

I upgraded the Babs section to Nates...will fly them all back to the HI, near Hokkaido will they will train pilots and act as an emergency CAP should the Allies want to visit.






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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 2:15:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Places like this is where an unexpected B17 raid can really sting. I need to be super careful about all my ports till I manage to shut those B17s down. Even some Chinese bombers can hit here, so the threat is just not with the B17...they simply hit the hardest.

The 51st AA is providing some cover, but no way am I going to leave those ships in port.

Allied DL seemingly everywhere are really good. For that matter, Japan's is really good too. We need more time to get the DL back to 0 where the Allies have no recon.




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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 2:27:59 AM   
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Places like this is where an unexpected B17 raid can really sting. I need to be super careful about all my ports till I manage to shut those B17s down. Even some Chinese bombers can hit here, so the threat is just not with the B17...they simply hit the hardest.

The 51st AA is providing some cover, but no way am I going to leave those ships in port.

Allied DL seemingly everywhere are really good. For that matter, Japan's is really good too. We need more time to get the DL back to 0 where the Allies have no recon.



Don't let those B-17s survive past Dec. 8th. That is my policy. In fact, destroy all 4 EB at every opportunity throughout the game.

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RE: In blossom today, then scattered; Lowpe (J) vs Obve... - 3/18/2017 8:03:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aurorus
Landings? All those damaged ships are nice, but where did you land?

Landings: Laog, Bataan, Taytay, and Kota Baru.

I flinched a bit. Imagine what a difference one misprint in the invasion orders could've made
"Oh, HQ orders our SNLF to capture Bataan singlehandedly with all those CDs and minefields? ...
What an honor! BANZAI!"

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 3:06:29 PM   
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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 4:01:37 PM   
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Japanese Artillery - Do you send specific size guns/mortars to places like China, Burma, or Luzon? I will have plenty from Manchuria awaiting PP and wondered if find you need certain size guns at a particular place.


Absolutely. Check the TOE: anything 10cm and greater is great anti-tanks. Anything without motorized support and 75mm or 81mm mortars are great air mobile artillery for islands/resrves. Some of the rapid fire AT guns are pack...meaning they are air mobile too. Those AT guns are a godsend.


The really big guns are must haves at big city sieges in Luzon, Burma and China and anchors in the jungle rough. Without lots of decent artillery, Allied tanks will run right over you in Burma.


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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 4:02:14 PM   
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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 6:17:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		This could be a real punishing turn for Japan, especially if he continues the 2000 foot 4E bombing runs against ships.

I tried covering my bases and ships as well as I can.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 7:11:40 PM   
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This could be a real punishing turn for Japan, especially if he continues the 2000 foot 4E bombing runs against ships.

I tried covering my bases and ships as well as I can.


That's the price Japan must pay for focusing on submarines and not the allied air force.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 9:19:13 PM   
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This could be a real punishing turn for Japan, especially if he continues the 2000 foot 4E bombing runs against ships.

Historically, did the US ever use 4E bombers that low? Were the results worth it?

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/18/2017 9:35:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

This could be a real punishing turn for Japan, especially if he continues the 2000 foot 4E bombing runs against ships.

Historically, did the US ever use 4E bombers that low? Were the results worth it?



A couple of examples:


Dive Bombing a B-17 http://www.dba-oracle.com/dive_bombing_b_17.htm

Old 666 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_666


"In May, Zeamer and crew made a skip-bombing run on a Japanese aircraft carrier, swooping within fifty feet of its decks. A few days later on a daylight bombing raid over Rabaul, Old 666 came in so low it was brushing the roofs of the housetops."

"On a night mission over Wewak the Japanese gunners on the ground managed to fix the flight of incoming American bombers in the glare of several large searchlights, but, in an audacious display of airmanship, Zeamer dived on the positions, shooting out three lights and damaging two others."

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