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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 12:26:52 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 12:28:41 AM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 9:16:08 AM   
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Birds of prey will even target full grown cats.





We have a lot of bald eagles around here (the Columbia River Pigeon). I've seen them take rabbits, one was in our backyard once sitting on a rabbit. I've never heard of one taking a cat.

Since moving here I've been cautious about letting the cats out too late, we do have coyotes, but they don't come this far down the hill until after midnight. My SO was fine with the older cats going out, but she freaked out when one of the new cats wandered off when out. I found her 2 feet inside the neighbors yard. She looked at me with a "what's up?" look. One of the cats doesn't want to venture very far from the back door, but the other wants to explore the neighborhood. She's quite possibly the smartest cat I've ever met though. I'm not terribly concerned anything is going to happen to her in the middle of the day. There is only one other cat out in the neighborhood and he's met our cats, he isn't really a fighter. He just sniffed noses with one of our cats and ran off.

I'm hoping to get my SO to change her mind, the cats really want to go out.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 12:41:00 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWc6aF6aMQ8

Black cat in eagle's nest. Adult feeds it to the baby eaglets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp2WQ585qCw

Eagle EATING a CAT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3uazeJpDTA


Hawks and Owls are big enough too. Its that first strike that waylays their prey.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 12:48:29 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 4:22:53 PM   
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There is a more direct answer to "Queen Smaug". The two words "pellet gun" come to mind. If she's that much of a terror, then other wild life would probably chip in to buy you one. The other two thoughts are "get a cat" (but you have one , and I strongly advise against outdoor cats. You cut their life expectancy by up to 75%). Or use a "non-lethal" paintball gun. It won't hurt her much (yes they DO sting) but it might discourage here and "Technicolor wildlife" is funny to look at. My brother once had a raccoon hitting his trash cans every single night? Ever see a "tie dyed raccoon"? (It gave up eventually.)

I respectfully disagree about outdoor cats. Cats are happier and healthier if allowed to go out and come in at their discretion. Provided the neighborhood is safe.


Disagree respectfully as often and respectfully as you like. But you're exactly wrong. Cats that are outdoor exclusive live shorter lives than those that are indoor-outdoor cats. Cats that are indoor-outdoor live significantly shorter lives than those that are indoor exclusive. Your comments about 'healthier' are exactly reversed the position of reality. Indoor exclusive cats are far 'healthier' than their outdoor exclusive bretheren.

Steve is exactly right. When the risk factors for FIV/FeLV, other vaccine-preventable disease, Big dog:small cat, automobile, owl, human animus, cat fight-related injuries and infections, other opportunistic predators, etc. are factored in, an outdoor exclusive cat's average lifespan is a little more than 2 years of age. Indoor/outdoor increases that to someting like 7-8 years. Indoor exclusive cats' average lifespan is greater than 12 years of age.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:11:25 PM   
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There is a more direct answer to "Queen Smaug". The two words "pellet gun" come to mind. If she's that much of a terror, then other wild life would probably chip in to buy you one. The other two thoughts are "get a cat" (but you have one , and I strongly advise against outdoor cats. You cut their life expectancy by up to 75%). Or use a "non-lethal" paintball gun. It won't hurt her much (yes they DO sting) but it might discourage here and "Technicolor wildlife" is funny to look at. My brother once had a raccoon hitting his trash cans every single night? Ever see a "tie dyed raccoon"? (It gave up eventually.)

I respectfully disagree about outdoor cats. Cats are happier and healthier if allowed to go out and come in at their discretion. Provided the neighborhood is safe.


Disagree respectfully as often and respectfully as you like. But you're exactly wrong. Cats that are outdoor exclusive live shorter lives than those that are indoor-outdoor cats. Cats that are indoor-outdoor live significantly shorter lives than those that are indoor exclusive. Your comments about 'healthier' are exactly reversed the position of reality. Indoor exclusive cats are far 'healthier' than their outdoor exclusive bretheren.

Steve is exactly right. When the risk factors for FIV/FeLV, other vaccine-preventable disease, Big dog:small cat, automobile, owl, human animus, cat fight-related injuries and infections, other opportunistic predators, etc. are factored in, an outdoor exclusive cat's average lifespan is a little more than 2 years of age. Indoor/outdoor increases that to someting like 7-8 years. Indoor exclusive cats' average lifespan is greater than 12 years of age.

Not my experience.
My indoor-outdoor cats are vaccinated. Indoor cats tend to become very fat and lazy, just like humans who don't go out and get exercise.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:13:09 PM   
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Now, why can't I ever meet 'geeks' like these?


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And, of course, the Ultimate Answer is always BOOBS!

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:16:45 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:17:22 PM   
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Not my experience.


Zorch, it may not be your 'experience', but it is accepted 'truth' among the veterinary community. And yes, it's supported by peer-reviewed literature with cohort studies. You're, of course, free to treat your animals in the manner you see fit. Maybe you'll get lucky. Odds are against longevity with outdoor-exclusive animals.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:20:22 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:24:01 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:27:25 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMEiHrgekcY

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:31:47 PM   
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Put "Pamela David" in a youtube search, there's a lot there

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:45:57 PM   
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Not my experience.


Zorch, it may not be your 'experience', but it is accepted 'truth' among the veterinary community. And yes, it's supported by peer-reviewed literature with cohort studies. You're, of course, free to treat your animals in the manner you see fit. Maybe you'll get lucky. Odds are against longevity with outdoor-exclusive animals.



My indoor cats average 18 years (3 out of 4 so far). Of course my current two are just a couple of years old. The exception was my "Bald ass Guamanian Booney cat" , which spent several years as a feral jungle cat on Guam. I'm convinced that took 10 years or more off her life (and the x-rays certainly suggested it).

I've never had an overly fat cat. We play with them every day , and "run them" using a laser pointer. And by having two, then generally will race themselves around the house.


O grew up in Maine where "barn cats" (many of them Maine Coon cats of VERY large size). They had barns and out buildings to shelter in , cat doors to come in when they wanted to , and regular feeding and medical care. I don't ever recall one living 10 years. Sorry , just my experience.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 5:48:50 PM   
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Not my experience.


Zorch, it may not be your 'experience', but it is accepted 'truth' among the veterinary community. And yes, it's supported by peer-reviewed literature with cohort studies. You're, of course, free to treat your animals in the manner you see fit. Maybe you'll get lucky. Odds are against longevity with outdoor-exclusive animals.



My indoor cats average 18 years (3 out of 4 so far). Of course my current two are just a couple of years old. The exception was my "Bald ass Guamanian Booney cat" , which spent several years as a feral jungle cat on Guam. I'm convinced that took 10 years or more off her life (and the x-rays certainly suggested it).

I've never had an overly fat cat. We play with them every day , and "run them" using a laser pointer. And by having two, then generally will race themselves around the house.


O grew up in Maine where "barn cats" (many of them Maine Coon cats of VERY large size). They had barns and out buildings to shelter in , cat doors to come in when they wanted to , and regular feeding and medical care. I don't ever recall one living 10 years. Sorry , just my experience.

As I said earlier, my cats are indoor-outdoor. I have never had an outdoor exclusive cat.
Yes, I use laser pointers to amuse them.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 11:41:46 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 11:55:20 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/19/2017 11:57:20 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/20/2017 12:42:27 AM   
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I had this cat's claws lengthen. I keep her indoors....mmmm... in bed.





Watch it, she'll scratch your eyes out.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/21/2017 11:40:22 PM   
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OK, here it goes...

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Princess Layme Orgasma of Alderaan







Now, why can't I ever meet 'geeks' like these?



Because she is not real .......

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/21/2017 11:41:28 PM   
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Some politicians are real boobs. Here's an Israeli one.






I'm sure she doesn't share .....

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/21/2017 11:44:52 PM   
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•“Salute to the right , salute”





Damn best recruiting poster for the English Army that I've ever seen .....

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/22/2017 12:35:43 AM   
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Damn best recruiting poster for the English Army that I've ever seen .....


Oi! That's British Army, mate!

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/22/2017 2:44:25 AM   
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Gonna be taking a 1.5 hour cruise on the Sudden Jerk this weekend!! A pretty penny, but will be worth it I'm sure!!!

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/22/2017 2:47:38 AM   
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Booba Fett



Wait for it...


GOOD,

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/22/2017 2:48:34 AM   
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GOOGLY,

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/22/2017 2:51:27 AM   
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MOOGLY.

TIGOLEBITTIES!


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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/22/2017 3:11:45 AM   
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Gonna be taking a 1.5 hour cruise on the Sudden Jerk this weekend!! A pretty penny, but will be worth it I'm sure!!!

TOMLABEL



Please take pics and share your ride!

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 3/22/2017 3:55:28 PM   
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