Slitherine

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While there is a running Tiger I he or someone should do a Michael Wittmann movie.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1
A new Sink the Bismarck would be good too though

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mobius

How many Battle of Britain movies does there need to be? Off you go Mr. Scott.
(Is Russell Crowe going to have a cameo as Churchill?)


Now it he was going to make a Bismarck movie in color then I might go see it.

warspite1

If they make this, doesn't that make two? Isn't this the same number as Pearl Harbor - and would be the same number as Bismarck if they made another of that film.....

A new Sink the Bismarck would be good too though

Of course the less said about the latter Pearl Harbor movie the better. With modern special effects, there's potential for plenty of spectacular new WW2 movies. One on the St Nazaire raid would be an excellent story to explore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid

Here's a Jeremy Clarkson documentary about it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXusKM5uX0s&t=21s

Cheers, Neilster

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The St. Nazaire raid would make for a great war film. I'm surprised it hasn't already been made

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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The St. Nazaire raid would make for a great war film. I'm surprised it hasn't already been made

No Americans in it.

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ORIGINAL: XXXCorps

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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The St. Nazaire raid would make for a great war film. I'm surprised it hasn't already been made

No Americans in it.

Yes, that was my take on it also. That's the unfortunate reality with this sort of war film.

Due to the absence of Americans being present in the actual raid perhaps American actors could play the German characters.

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Fingers crossed it isn't hollywoodised..these days I prefer Russianised War films..at least they stick to the actual conflict and not throw in a love story aswell.

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While you wait for this, console yourselves with this:

http://www.dunkirkmovie.com/

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Neilster and other Ozzies/Kiwis:

4-5 years ago, an Australian production company did an Australian-centric movie on the fighting over the Owen Stanleys and the Kakoda trail (track to you lot). I think it was just "Kakoda". Been trying to find that bloody film on the interwebs for some time without success.

You seen it? What did you think? Know where I can sneak a peek?

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Neilster and other Ozzies/Kiwis:

4-5 years ago, an Australian production company did an Australian-centric movie on the fighting over the Owen Stanleys and the Kakoda trail (track to you lot). I think it was just "Kakoda". Been trying to find that bloody film on the interwebs for some time without success.

You seen it? What did you think? Know where I can sneak a peek?

Kokoda was made in 2006. I haven't seen it but apparently it's quite good. It focuses on small unit actions and the Japanese are almost never seen, emphasising the claustrophobic nature of jungle combat.

I can't help you with the other stuff. Of course you could always support our small and struggling film industry by actually buying it

Cheers, Neilster

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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The St. Nazaire raid would make for a great war film. I'm surprised it hasn't already been made

No Americans in it It could have been made in the 50s, 60s or the early 70s as a British production but since then, and up until very recently, the financial reality of the movie business has been that unless it appealed to American audiences, there wouldn't be the budget to make such a film with decent special effects.

CGI has radically reduced the costs of doing believable special effects, and the international market is a bigger proportion of a film's revenue, so this situation appears to be changing. Good.

Also, when done correctly, CGI is indistinguishable from reality. You see great CGI all the time; it's just that you don't recognise it because it's seamless. Humans are still very difficult to do without the plunge into the "uncanny valley" but machines, action and explosions are all fantastic now.

I know a bit about this stuff as I have a Computing degree, did Computer Graphics in 3rd year and keep up with the state of the art.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Cheers, Neilster

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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The St. Nazaire raid would make for a great war film. I'm surprised it hasn't already been made

No Americans in it.

Yes, that was my take on it also. That's the unfortunate reality with this sort of war film.

Due to the absence of Americans being present in the actual raid perhaps American actors could play the German characters.

The lack of historical Americans has never stopped Hollywood from putting them in a film.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Neilster and other Ozzies/Kiwis:

4-5 years ago, an Australian production company did an Australian-centric movie on the fighting over the Owen Stanleys and the Kakoda trail (track to you lot). I think it was just "Kakoda". Been trying to find that bloody film on the interwebs for some time without success.

You seen it? What did you think? Know where I can sneak a peek?

Kokoda was made in 2006. I haven't seen it but apparently it's quite good. It focuses on small unit actions and the Japanese are almost never seen, emphasising the claustrophobic nature of jungle combat.

I can't help you with the other stuff. Of course you could always support our small and struggling film industry by actually buying it

Cheers, Neilster

I'd be happy to buy it. Where can I do that in San Antonio, Texas mate?

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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I'd be happy to buy it. Where can I do that in San Antonio, Texas mate?

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Neilster and other Ozzies/Kiwis:

4-5 years ago, an Australian production company did an Australian-centric movie on the fighting over the Owen Stanleys and the Kakoda trail (track to you lot). I think it was just "Kakoda". Been trying to find that bloody film on the interwebs for some time without success.

You seen it? What did you think? Know where I can sneak a peek?

Kokoda was made in 2006. I haven't seen it but apparently it's quite good. It focuses on small unit actions and the Japanese are almost never seen, emphasising the claustrophobic nature of jungle combat.

I can't help you with the other stuff. Of course you could always support our small and struggling film industry by actually buying it

Cheers, Neilster

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

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ORIGINAL: XXXCorps

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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The St. Nazaire raid would make for a great war film. I'm surprised it hasn't already been made

No Americans in it.

Yes, that was my take on it also. That's the unfortunate reality with this sort of war film.

Due to the absence of Americans being present in the actual raid perhaps American actors could play the German characters.

The lack of historical Americans has never stopped Hollywood from putting them in a film.

warspite1

True

But in all seriousness, it's something we have to accept. No point bleating about it. Money talks and all that. If you need the film to be made with US money and/or you need it to be a hit in the US (to make a profit) then an American star helps/is crucial. It's relatively easy with BoB because there is always 'Eagle Squadron' with 7-11 pilots (in addition to the official 7, it is believed that there may have been 4 others that were posing as Canadians). This means you can add Rafe McCauley and his boyfriend without being too ahistorical.

Depending on the situation and how they are portrayed I think its a worthwhile trade-off i.e. would you rather have no film or a film with an American? For me that is a no brainer (provided they are not depicted as single-handedly winning the battle) - especially when there were Americans in the actual battle (and they deserve acknowledgement same as anyone else). And anyway, it works both ways, American films with a bad guy have to have an English actor to be the baddie

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"Kokoda" was on Korean cable a couple of years ago. It was obviously pretty low budget. I stumbled on it about halfway through. The Japanese were depicted as faceless supermen (i.e. they were walking vegetation and you actually couldn't see their faces--they might have been played by Maoris for all I know as they all seemed big). It was like the horrible M. Night Shyamalan flick "The Village" set in the steaming jungles of New Guinea.

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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The St. Nazaire raid would make for a great war film. I'm surprised it hasn't already been made

No Americans in it.

Yes, that was my take on it also. That's the unfortunate reality with this sort of war film.

Due to the absence of Americans being present in the actual raid perhaps American actors could play the German characters.

The lack of historical Americans has never stopped Hollywood from putting them in a film.

warspite1

True

But in all seriousness, it's something we have to accept. No point bleating about it. Money talks and all that. If you need the film to be made with US money and/or you need it to be a hit in the US (to make a profit) then an American star helps/is crucial. It's relatively easy with BoB because there is always 'Eagle Squadron' with 7-11 pilots (in addition to the official 7, it is believed that there may have been 4 others that were posing as Canadians). This means you can add Rafe McCauley and his boyfriend without being too ahistorical.

Depending on the situation and how they are portrayed I think its a worthwhile trade-off i.e. would you rather have no film or a film with an American? For me that is a no brainer (provided they are not depicted as single-handedly winning the battle) - especially when there were Americans in the actual battle (and they deserve acknowledgement same as anyone else). And anyway, it works both ways, American films with a bad guy have to have an English actor to be the baddie

Even the great "633 Squadron," a Brit flick from 1964, had an American (Cliff Robertson) as the squadron commander, no less. American participation in movies made good box office sense at the time.

Cheers,
CC

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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ORIGINAL: Mobius
While there is a running Tiger I he or someone should do a Michael Wittmann movie.

What is the potential market for a movie about an SS dude who wastes Allied soldiers? Not big.
Cheers, Neilster

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ORIGINAL: Mobius
My advice to Mr. Scott, make an Expanse movie.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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The St. Nazaire raid would make for a great war film. I'm surprised it hasn't already been made

No Americans in it It could have been made in the 50s, 60s or the early 70s as a British production but since then, and up until very recently, the financial reality of the movie business has been that unless it appealed to American audiences, there wouldn't be the budget to make such a film with decent special effects.

CGI has radically reduced the costs of doing believable special effects, and the international market is a bigger proportion of a film's revenue, so this situation appears to be changing. Good.

Also, when done correctly, CGI is indistinguishable from reality. You see great CGI all the time; it's just that you don't recognise it because it's seamless. Humans are still very difficult to do without the plunge into the "uncanny valley" but machines, action and explosions are all fantastic now.

I know a bit about this stuff as I have a Computing degree, did Computer Graphics in 3rd year and keep up with the state of the art.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Cheers, Neilster

warspite1

Well that's not strictly true - what about the central character of the film - USS Buchanan?

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But, there's not much of a potential world market for a British centric film with no Americans either

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And anyway, it works both ways, American films with a bad guy have to have an English actor to be the baddie

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: warspite1
And anyway, it works both ways, American films with a bad guy have to have an English actor to be the baddie

You're right. In Patton, the quintessential baddie *is* played by a British actor. This guy was a real pain in the arse.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0060988/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t18

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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But, there's not much of a potential world market for a British centric film with no Americans either

Well, most of the Commonwealth would be interested. Culturally, countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada still have a close affinity with Britain and this is most obvious with respect to military history. Battle of Britain day is quite a big deal here in Australia, not the least because Australian pilots were involved and it's seen to encompass the entire air war in Europe, which also involved many Aussies. The same goes for New Zealand and I'm sure Canada etc.

Also, the international film market is now more important than the U.S. market. Hence the dearth of movies that have Chinese baddies. That appalling Red Dawn remake had to be completely rewritten and all the CGI changed to (ludicrously) insert North Korea as the conquerors of North America, for fear of alienating potential Chinese cinema goers. They and the billion or so Indians (also part of the Empire then) aren't going to care if it involves Americans or not. They just want to see a good movie with plenty of action.

Cheers, Neilster