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Possible Mistake in US Armor TOE 1943? - 7/21/2017 9:44:10 PM

anglonorman

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I have been playing the Sicily scenario to get up to speed with the game and I noticed that on the U.S. Armoured Division TOE they have listed the M4A3 Sherman. If my memory serves the U.S. did not use the M4A3 in Europe until the fall of 1944. For Sicily and Italy U.S. Armored forces used the M4, and M4A1, the first one having the welded hull the latter the cast armour hull. The M4A3 that was deployed by the U.S. Army in Europe in the fall of 1944 was the Wet stowage version (ammo stored in liquid containers to prevent fire and explosion) and designated M4A3(75)W while the earlier versions mentioned were of the "dry" variety. The M4A3 "dry" was used by the U.S. but only initially in the states for training purposes. It was designated as M4A3 Sherman. As I understand, some were eventually sent over at the beginning of 1945 to replace the heavy losses suffered during the Bulge offensive along with replacement M4A3(75)W, M4A3(76)W and the new M4A3(76)W "Easy Eight" which was just hitting the tank depots and being parceled out to the various armoured divisions that had fought in the battle.

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RE: Possible Mistake in US Armor TOE 1943? - 7/21/2017 11:35:45 PM

Denniss

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Are you sure you didn't mix this up with the M4A4 ?
Dry M4A3 were widely used on all fronts

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RE: Possible Mistake in US Armor TOE 1943? - 7/22/2017 4:10:02 PM

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I think you are referring to the M4A2 or Sherman III which was the diesel powered version of the Sherman. Yes, it was used on all fronts with the U.S. Marines, Soviets, British, Canadians. The U.S. Army never used it in combat. The Soviets never used the M4A3 nor the Brits or Canadians. The Soviets because it was gasoline powered and all their armoured forces used diesel. The Brits and Canadians because they used the Sherman III and M4A4 or Sherman V. The U.S. Army in the ETO started getting their M4A3(75)W in the fall of 1944 from Chrysler after they have finished production of the M4A4.

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RE: Possible Mistake in US Armor TOE 1943? - 7/23/2017 9:02:03 AM

Denniss

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Do you have some links where to read more about it ?
It may well be a balace decision as we can't model 1k tanks released from training/storage at a given date.

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RE: Possible Mistake in US Armor TOE 1943? - 7/23/2017 4:20:44 PM

anglonorman

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My references are my own books but there is a good one on line source called Sherman Minutia

See here:
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/

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