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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/31/2017 3:35:28 PM   
Broncepulido

 

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/31/2017 3:47:11 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h449oIjg2kY

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/31/2017 9:27:53 PM   
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Looks like the Navy finally placed their first order for the LRASM. Old video just to go with the news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h449oIjg2kY


Its a co order with the Air Force for air launched. B-1B's will field them first then the Super Hornet fleet.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 1:58:00 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 2:00:56 AM   
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Info for the HQ-22:
http://defence-blog.com/army/china-unveils-new-generation-of-surface-to-air-missile-weapon-system-at-the-airshow-china-2016-exhibition-in-zhuhai.html

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The HQ-22 has large kill airspace ranges up to 150-170 km at an altitude from 50 to 27,000m which super adaptive anti-jamming capacity with several anti-jamming measures.


Has basically similiar range as quoted for the HQ-9 series... Which makes PLA watchers think that the rumors of the 200+km range for the HQ-9B has more to it.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 2:55:48 AM   
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Obviously it is not designed to counter saturation strike, but it's a combat-proven platform against very high altitude targets, it might comes in handy to counter some loitering decoys and drones.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 10:13:34 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 1:49:09 PM   
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combat proven where?

I doubly any of these were put on the frontline during the Sino-Viet war because it's still too new after it's successfully copied. But for the even older kind, like the true SA-2 imported from USSR before the breakup, then it's indeed gave Uncle Sam quite of headache in 50s.

Many famous high-altitudes aircrafts, like some of those U-2 and one D-21 are all wreckages in Chinese hands. The crash of D-21 remain in mystery because it's way smaller and faster for SA-2 to hit, and it's a drone that prone to easily flop around with 60s techs. But, the SR-71 is the only aircraft make China no longer able to put a crosshair on her, and then later the satellites.


One discussion I found about those U-2 were shot: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?1745-U-2-the-good-ole-Dragon-Lady
And the crash of D-21: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?96419-Wreckage-of-D-21-drone-shot-down(-)-by-China-in-1960s-70s

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 2:44:41 PM   
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The US military has detected "highly unusual and unprecedented levels" of North Korean submarine activity and evidence of an "ejection test" in the days following Pyongyang's second intercontinental ballistic missile launch this month.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 3:11:29 PM   
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They have some combat troops there, including AFVs like the ZBL-08 8x8 IFV and RWS armed Mengshi Humvees.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 3:14:42 PM   
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One has to wonder how much experience B-1 pilots have shooting at ships


About the same as the B-52G/H crew when they start doing ocean patrol with Harpoon, the doctrine is already developed so they just have to learn the basic. It's just that they can get there faster and can launch further away.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 4:12:25 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 4:21:42 PM   
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I would never use a B-52 to launch a harpoon when an S-3 was available, do you think its ever been done?

B-52 and S-3 are in two different bigs.

Air Force might not need much of ASM in their arsenal if they got a powerful Navy and its carrier jets to do that job. Like you said the S-3, A-6 and then F/A-18 are capable to carry Harpoons, but these are small jets and hindered with limited flight radius compare to B-52 and B-1.

I would say it's depends on the the deployment. Ideally it's the one who launch harpoon first at shortest amount of time has the advantage, but that doesn't mean it's easier to punch through hostile defenses without a good-timed strike planning. That applied to LRASM too.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 5:22:27 PM   
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I would never use a B-52 to launch a harpoon when an S-3 was available, do you think its ever been done?


I don't think either has been done in anger - could be wrong.

The idea of the B-52 harpoon strike in the 80's/90's was mass. A Sqn of 8 BUFFs with 12 Harpoon each would add a lot of firepower to a CVN's ALPHA Strike on a Soviet SAG or Carrier Group.

I believe the doctrine was that the CVW would 'break-in' to the defences and do as much SEAD of the Ships defences as it could, the A-6/F-18 strike would work on the escorts and the BUFFs would come in shortly afterwards with for the HVUs.

I think the S-3 (and P-3 for that matter) use for the Harpoon was more in the armed Maritime Patrol role where you are so far from quick support you want to be armed with both ASW and ASuW munitions to tackle any target of opportunity.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 5:34:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed. Nice Idea on paper Good info Thanks :)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/1/2017 5:37:05 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/2/2017 3:36:11 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/2/2017 4:45:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

Popular Mechanics view:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/news/a27492/photographer-sees-secret-chinese-missile-test/

Original photographer web site:
https://jpcvanheijst.com/blogs/2017/07/596970-anti-ballistic-missile-test-over-china

FreeBeacon reported it just a week late from the event. The conclusion is: DN-3 ASAT.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-carries-flight-test-anti-satellite-missile/amp/

I tried to search some words like 'ballistic', 'ABM' and alike in this article, but none has found, and pointed out the different between intercepting a 'programmed' RV and a 'real' RV. It is boldly written that is both against the peace of space (satellites) and is a failed test.

In other word, western media will NEVER admit non-western ABM capability no matter the circumstance. I do doubt what China trying to achieve with this test as well, but perpetually repeating a black history of ASAT test already gives readers more reasons why US military must pointing guns at Chinese military progressions, and ultimately aimed for budget increase.

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And here is the BTS (behind the scene) of 90th PLA Anniversary Military Parade A 4 minutes of video with full of Chinese arsenals put in unique perspectives:

https://youtu.be/sRPaLxqmfQ4

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/3/2017 3:19:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a rumor about the garrisoned JSDF in Djibouti was deployed frogmen and approached PLAN warships, but was spotted and immediately reported by state media :

http://m.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2105024/japanese-frogmen-approached-chinese-warship-djibouti#comments-open

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/3/2017 3:34:25 PM   
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A little below Command's scale, but special ops are always fun to play around with and find interesting ways to incorporate them.

Kevin

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/3/2017 11:13:43 PM   
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New SPY-6 Radar Scores in Ballistic Missile Defense Test





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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/4/2017 10:05:19 AM   
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https://www.navytimes.com/news/2017/08/02/a-private-air-force-for-afghanistan/

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2017/08/02/blackwater-founder-wants-to-run-the-afghan-air-war-with-his-private-air-force/





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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/4/2017 12:10:36 PM   
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Private military contractor 'Lancaster6' offers boost to Afgan air force capabilities with private air wing...


Aha! See, my Strike Commander series is contemporaneous!

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/4/2017 1:08:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nigeria has a whole host of problems. But maybe this is a sign the US is waking up to the 21st Century race to win over Africa.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/08/03/us-approves-a-29-super-tucano-sale-to-nigeria/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%208.4.17&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/5/2017 12:14:17 PM   
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13142/u-s-navy-stealthy-specops-boats-are-zooming-around-the-middle-east

A little below Command's scale, but special ops are always fun to play around with and find interesting ways to incorporate them.

Kevin

Apparently the US West Coast as well and the internet was convinced the Mexican Navy had arrived with a blogger even claiming to have confirmed this fact, before the Sheriff's Department revealed they were actually US Navy SEALs.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/08/fake-news-of-the-mexican-navy-arriving-in-california-started-on-a-boating-web-forum/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/5/2017 12:50:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		This news has exploded into technological nationalism debates, because outsourcing military machines under current global agendas and fallacies can get out of hand easily:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/army-tells-troops-to-stop-using-dji-drones-immediately-because-cyber/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/5/2017 2:30:03 PM   
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Sheriff's Department revealed they were actually US Navy SEALs


Good find. I guess if those boats can confuse the well versed US power boat community, adversaries in the Gulf, Baltic and or South China Sea do not stand a chance

Kevin

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/6/2017 3:04:28 PM   
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13233/f-35b-pilots-will-make-rolling-landings-like-this-to-board-royal-navy-carriers

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/7/2017 8:06:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Although the 'common valued countries' take no empathy to China during the monthly sustained Sino-India border conflcit, China is getting more certain her patience is running out, and no patience means war:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/china-considering-military-action-against-091453286.html

UPDATE: A Pakistani media reported the Indian troops are gradually retreating from the conflicted soil of Chinese border, and only a few is still staying, but it is just as suspicious as the media itself, and need time to conform:

http://3g.china.com/act/news/1000/20170807/31049002.html (Simplified Chinese)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 8/7/2017 12:59:42 PM   
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http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-russias-once-superpower-navy-big-trouble-21796?page=2

Good practice for everyone on the ground especially vs the threat to ground forces where miniatures/micros will soon proliferate. Laser will be involved I bet.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-drone-idUSKBN1AN2BP




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