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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/13/2017 8:27:33 PM   
Mike McCreery


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just a quick sanity check on your bombardments. You are having your float planes reconing both day and night? never can be 100% sure when bombardment task forces feel like going in


Retirement set-night bombardment.
remain on station-day bombardment.

Except if you are bombarding a non base hex which I never really do.

I have never seen this vary in ten years of playing this game.

If you already have a good D/L from night recon, your "Remain on Station" TF has a chance of bombarding both night and day.

I've never even heard of that.



I have seen it happen a few times over the course of years. Maybe the commander needs to be crazy aggressive or something. Rare and you could never count on it. Also about 50% or less effective than the first bombardment.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/13/2017 8:59:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, yes - his whole position is about to be unhinged. Lots of really good airfields are about to fall into your hands & there is no way that he's going to be able to hold Shanghai for more than a couple of weeks.

It's really getting ugly.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/13/2017 10:18:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		any thoughts to a missive night bombing of the port at Shanghai? That will really choke whatever supply might still be getting in and distributed

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/13/2017 11:18:12 PM   
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What are the "KillS" for your squadrons? Especially your bombers - land/naval.


90TH BOMB GROUP
"THE JOLLY ROGERS"

"No single heavy bomber unit in the Air Corps has ever claimed to beat the record of the JOLLY ROGERS in the number of enemy attackers shot out of the skies."




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/13/2017 11:42:39 PM   
palioboy2

 

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Status: offline 		Are you working at all toward concentrating your Chinese forces in the open bases hexes? It seems like if you create a breakthrough of any sort along the Chinese line the whole of China will fall apart for him.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/14/2017 2:59:51 AM   
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Having seen it from the Japanese side I can tell you that 7k is fine. No need to skewer your beasts on balloons.



Having been Japanese and seeing bombers at 7K not do what my bombers at 2K do...


Sure, but you lose and damage the beasts at 2k. Your operation frequency is also a factor in strat bombing. The more strikes the better, so your results might not be as good each strike, but you get more in per week.


Not really. You can't do more than 2 Formosa- or China-range sorties with B-29s in a row, and sometimes only 1, anyway. I'd rather go at 2K and just let them repair. Your aircraft also aren't the only things setting the operational tempo. Opponent's disposition does as well.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/14/2017 3:01:02 AM   
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just a quick sanity check on your bombardments. You are having your float planes reconing both day and night? never can be 100% sure when bombardment task forces feel like going in


Retirement set-night bombardment.
remain on station-day bombardment.

Except if you are bombarding a non base hex which I never really do.

I have never seen this vary in ten years of playing this game.

If you already have a good D/L from night recon, your "Remain on Station" TF has a chance of bombarding both night and day.

I've never even heard of that.



I have seen it happen a few times over the course of years. Maybe the commander needs to be crazy aggressive or something. Rare and you could never count on it. Also about 50% or less effective than the first bombardment.


I've never seen it happen twice. With good DL, the bombardment TF will blow its full load in one bombardment. And to my knowledge, as soon as they bombard once they revert to SCTF.

As for remain on station = day bombardment: sometimes, but not always. I've also had retirement allowed TFs bombard during the day, but it's very rare. I did just have one of those happen a few turns ago.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/14/2017 3:43:03 AM   
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I've never seen it happen twice.

That's more than I've never seen it happen.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/14/2017 4:03:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

just a quick sanity check on your bombardments. You are having your float planes reconing both day and night? never can be 100% sure when bombardment task forces feel like going in


Retirement set-night bombardment.
remain on station-day bombardment.

Except if you are bombarding a non base hex which I never really do.

I have never seen this vary in ten years of playing this game.

If you already have a good D/L from night recon, your "Remain on Station" TF has a chance of bombarding both night and day.

I've never even heard of that.



I have seen it happen a few times over the course of years. Maybe the commander needs to be crazy aggressive or something. Rare and you could never count on it. Also about 50% or less effective than the first bombardment.


I've never seen it happen twice. With good DL, the bombardment TF will blow its full load in one bombardment. And to my knowledge, as soon as they bombard once they revert to SCTF.

As for remain on station = day bombardment: sometimes, but not always. I've also had retirement allowed TFs bombard during the day, but it's very rare. I did just have one of those happen a few turns ago.


I suppose it could happen if they tangled with a lot of units coming in and burned up all their OP points and had to wait a phase. That would be the only way that I know it could happen. But can't remember ever seeing it.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/14/2017 5:34:47 AM   
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Bombardment TFs, like Starland Vocal Band, are one-hit wonders.


Good one!

Cheers,
CC

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/14/2017 6:00:24 AM   
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any thoughts to a missive night bombing of the port at Shanghai? That will really choke whatever supply might still be getting in and distributed

What sort of missives are you going to be sending?
"Tojo is so bald that we use his shiny head to guide us to target"
"Your Kamikazes are so poorly trained they fly along our ships side and give us AA practice"

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/14/2017 10:57:39 PM   
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any thoughts to a missive night bombing of the port at Shanghai? That will really choke whatever supply might still be getting in and distributed

What sort of missives are you going to be sending?
"Tojo is so bald that we use his shiny head to guide us to target"
"Your Kamikazes are so poorly trained they fly along our ships side and give us AA practice"



"One night in Shanghai makes a Japanese Fanboy humble"

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 12:22:44 AM   
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Fancy Pants: The Allies are gaining momentum in the breakouts on the south and north ends of Fancy Pants. There is danger out there. I always try to maintain adequate defenses. But the question remains: Where is the Japanese navy? Where is the Japanese air force? If John doesn't fight now, when? (A question asked at Formosa, at Luzon, in the DEI, etc.)




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 6:37:28 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 12:50:55 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 1:40:51 PM   
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Jeff, did you mean to post your question in another AAR?

Looks like an operational security breech. You were not supposed to know of the Hobart Invasion :-)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 1:51:26 PM   
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Jeff, did you mean to post your question in another AAR?


No, seriously, you really need to think about beefing up those defenses at Hobart..

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 1:58:38 PM   
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John takes Tasmania to divert you from your goal. We know he is up to something....

You can never be too complete with your defenses.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 4:43:11 PM   
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Fancy Pants: Lots of reinforcements unload at Foochow and Ningpo tomorrow. Allies have arrived in strength at Hangchow and will feel out the defenses by artillery bombardment tomorrow.







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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 5:19:31 PM   
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Hobart: Are there mines at Hobart? No. But there is supply. A lot of it.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 7:04:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh, the difference between the Allied game (at least late game) and the Japanese game in one screenshot. The Allies have 190K supply at a backwards base because it's not worth the trouble to go get. I wonder what John would give to get that 190K supply.

Mike


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 7:11:54 PM   
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Hobart: Are there mines at Hobart? No. But there is supply. A lot of it.



Tell him he can have it in exchange for the ER package. Free!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 7:12:58 PM   
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Ahh, the difference between the Allied game (at least late game) and the Japanese game in one screenshot. The Allies have 190K supply at a backwards base because it's not worth the trouble to go get. I wonder what John would give to get that 190K supply.

Mike



I've got over 300,000 at several backwater bases. More than several in fact. Not much fuel though.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 7:53:56 PM   
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I can't ship it out fast enough.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 8:01:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've already begun "end of war" draw downs of fuel and supply. For instance, Pearl Harbor has about 3 million of each (that's not a tremendous amount but neither is it miniscule). Regular CS TFs are bringing more from West Coast, but I've begun diverting some TFs to instead draw down on fuel and supply from Pearl and take it to more forward staging points or to Oz, my main collection point. This may be a tad bit early, so I'll gauge this carefully, but ut there's no need in having huge supply depot stockpiles in the rear when the war ends.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 8:15:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, you need all those resources to rebuild Japan and Germany after the war ends! How about a rousing game of "The Marshall Plan" after you complete your WITPAE campaign? This will cover all of the intrigue of clearing the rubble and rebuilding the industry of both Europe and Japan so your discharged digital soldiers can have the benefit of owning a home with a white picket fence and driving the latest model from Detroit. Don't forget cheap electronics that will soon be pouring in from Japan and the fun you can have micromanaging who gets GI Bill money for an education! THe Marshall Plan game covers the occupation and rebuilding of all countries impacted by WW2 as well as a four year plan to get everyone back on their feet - covers the years 1946 through 1952. Six more years of simulation gaming is at your finger tips! I figure you and John could finish sometime in 2025 or so.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 8:19:04 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 8:25:10 PM   
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Jeff, did you mean to post your question in another AAR?

No,

JIII is playing a different game than you..
















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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 8:30:26 PM   
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Can we also model the Baby Boom?


If you & John are gonna 'model' the baby boom, I don't wanna know...

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/15/2017 8:51:30 PM   
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