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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/21/2017 9:20:23 PM   
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Cheer up, it is early season yet. No need to be spursy.

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I have no reason to cheer up. I support Spursy... and it's bloody depressing Oh well, not long now till the stadium falls down....

It was an unfair result. You played better than Chelsea. So keep the high spirits.
It was a great game.

Everton has some really good players. Their problem is going to be the bench, or rather the lack of it, specially with UEFA cup matches on Thursdays.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/22/2017 5:52:45 AM   
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Cheer up, it is early season yet. No need to be spursy.

Did I use that right?
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I have no reason to cheer up. I support Spursy... and it's bloody depressing Oh well, not long now till the stadium falls down....

It was an unfair result. You played better than Chelsea. So keep the high spirits.
It was a great game.

Everton has some really good players. Their problem is going to be the bench, or rather the lack of it, specially with UEFA cup matches on Thursdays.


Problem is we have a depressing history now of outplaying Chelsea and still losing.

Think Man City worked out last night why Spurs were quite prepared to grab £50m for Walker. Athletic, yes, good crosser, not really, but his brain goes AWOL on a fairly regular basis.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/22/2017 7:03:15 AM   
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Everton are a concern for the fourth Champions League spot. They have a great manager, bought well and bought early.

I hate football - although I don't like to mention that fact

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/22/2017 6:33:30 PM   
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even though Celtic insist on taking European football seriously this season, they are still good for the odd disaster ... good thing they had a 5 goal aggregate lead at the start of that second half

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/22/2017 9:17:30 PM   
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even though Celtic insist on taking European football seriously this season, they are still good for the odd disaster ... good thing they had a 5 goal aggregate lead at the start of that second half
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Yeah great My hopes were raised for a while there in the second half, only to be dashed on the rocks of despair. I really hate stupid football.....


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/23/2017 7:27:36 AM   
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Did Chelsea park the bus at Wembley? - The Roy Keene Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGV4kP568UA

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/23/2017 7:54:26 AM   
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No, Chelsea can not possibly have parked the bus because Mourinho has left the club. Now they play fun, creative, attacking style football.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/23/2017 7:54:50 AM   
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Did Chelsea park the bus at Wembley? - The Roy Keene Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGV4kP568UA

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Thank you for sharing.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 4:41:59 PM   
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somebody doesn't like us:






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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 4:45:50 PM   
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somebody doesn't like us:





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And did you see who Liverpool got That could have been us... oh well.

I haven't seen Arsenal drawn yet - still waiting for them to appear.


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 4:46:33 PM   
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aye, they must be in pot E?

be just our luck to get Celtic now

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 4:48:40 PM   
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Sorry it was a cheap shot - and one that will explode in my face when we join Arsenal in the Europa League.....

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 4:51:37 PM   
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och, dunno I found it amusing ... at least:






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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 4:57:10 PM   
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At least with Apoel we have a chance of making the Europa League - I thought we were going to get Moscow....

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 5:05:36 PM   
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Celtic and Tottenham don't have many chances...




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 8:10:23 PM   
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The British team coaching Östersunds FK has made a sterling job. Since Graham Potter joined the team in 2011 the club has advanced three divisions in five years and thereby reached Allsvenskan, the top league. After one season in Allsvenskan they won the Swedish Cup and therefore qualifying, for the first time ever, to play in Europe.

In their first match ever in Europa League they go out against Galatasaray and outplay them at home and win by 2-0. And then they go to their home field and play a 1-1 draw.


And the fairy tale continues. Östersund FK just qualified for the group stage of the Europa League.


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/24/2017 10:51:05 PM   
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And the fairy tale continues. Östersund FK just qualified for the group stage of the Europa League.



Weirder still, Rosenborg eliminated Ajax, which means that for the first time since 1965, Ajax does not play in any European League

Downside is ofc that RBK will once more start buying anyone capable of kicking a ball further than 3m, further reducing the competition level in the norwegian league.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/26/2017 8:36:21 PM   
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England has one of the great Football leagues in Europe. Or even in the world. England also has a long, and great football history. And England has a tradition of qualifying to the major national football tournaments. All in all England is a great football nation.

Europa League has 48 teams remaining.

Champions League has 32 teams remaining.

So all in all there are still 80 teams that compete in Europe this season. Out of these England has all their 7 teams remaining.

So now I wonder. Out of these 80 teams, how many have a English Manager?

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/27/2017 5:14:29 PM   
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I really hate football ...

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/27/2017 5:22:57 PM   
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I really hate football ...
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Rubbish game, total and utter rubbish. Although can be quite good I understand if you don't support Spursey...

Who will finish lower this season - Spursey or Arsenal?


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/27/2017 5:29:52 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/27/2017 5:35:37 PM   
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I should be childishly happy about the Arsenal result (and moreover the performance) but that result against Burnley has stopped me even enjoying that!!

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/27/2017 6:42:26 PM   
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I really hate football ...
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Rubbish game, total and utter rubbish. Although can be quite good I understand if you don't support Spursey...

Who will finish lower this season - Spursey or Arsenal?



well I'd rather have our indifferent start ... where small bits of luck may have been critical ... than theirs ... where it all seems so systemic now. I think the challenge for Spurs is to get through this season with minimal long term damage - keep the core of the team - and hope a return to WHL sets things up for a return to the recent feeling of progress? I'm just not sure what Arsenal can do differently - given where they are now.

I actually feel sorry for Wenger, he shifted the whole basis of English football when he arrived, he mostly tries to create watcheable teams (ok he is also annoying at his ability to miss one of his players conducting an act of vivisection on the pitch). He really doesn't deserve the excess of angst that he is now going to get.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/27/2017 7:05:33 PM   
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England has one of the great Football leagues in Europe. Or even in the world. England also has a long, and great football history. And England has a tradition of qualifying to the major national football tournaments. All in all England is a great football nation.

Europa League has 48 teams remaining.

Champions League has 32 teams remaining.

So all in all there are still 80 teams that compete in Europe this season. Out of these England has all their 7 teams remaining.

So now I wonder. Out of these 80 teams, how many have a English Manager?

I am asking because I heard someone claim that there was only one English manager left in the European Cups. And that manager coached a Swedish team. And I thought that sounded a bit to saddening for comfort if it were true.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/27/2017 7:11:52 PM   
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English managers are a rare breed - certainly in the Premiership. They have been so for some time. I think Wilkinson was the last to win the top division - with Leeds back in 1992. Scottish managers have been reasonably successful - although of course Ferguson bump that success rate up significantly. Foreign managers are all the rage which means English managers get less opportunity. It is not always the right move......

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/28/2017 9:25:24 PM   
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Yes. It has become fashionable for Premier League teams, and Championship teams with Premier League aspirations, to hire foreign coaches. Also, English football managers are a different breed from the continental system of Head Coach. English, or rather British managers, mainly ply their trade in the Football League and lower and they have very little chance of getting Head Coach jobs in the Premier League.

Antonio Conte, for example, is not the manager of Chelsea - not in the English sense - he is their Head Coach and many of the functions of "manager" have been moved to backroom staff. Large clubs have large encampments of backroom staff from media specialists to data analysts to investment advisors etc. Who is the Chelsea manager? Can't be bothered to find out but he or she has little input into how the first team plays. That part is handled by the Head Coach.

The Premier League is a fantasy land, a billionaire's playground. Image, style, and status are the main drivers.

Who in the Premier League, would hire Ernie Thistlewood, the chain smoking, overweight, and sweaty 53 year old who revolutionised football at Grimsby rather than Oscar de la Fuego, the 38 year old up and coming in-thing who once scored a goal against Barcelona, drives a Ferrari and looks good on camera? I don't mean to belittle foreign coaches. The point is that no matter how good a manager Ernie Thistlewood is, and he may be a tactical mastermind, he stands little chance of job in the Premier League.

Image, style, and status. All the things I am good at.

Life is still good in Braintree.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/29/2017 12:13:46 AM   
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UK used to "export" a lot of managers during the 70's and the 80's to the European leagues.
They were some of the finest coaches... I often think about this too, what happened meanwhile?
Where are the Bobby Robson's of today?


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/29/2017 1:50:54 AM   
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UK used to "export" a lot of managers during the 70's and the 80's to the European leagues.
They were some of the finest coaches... I often think about this too, what happened meanwhile?
Where are the Bobby Robson's of today?



Bobby Robson is very good example.

Part of the problem today is that British professional footballers in the Premier League are thin on the ground and when they hang up their boots, they are already multi-millionaires. Very few of them want to learn the trade of managing a football club. They simply don't want to go to Grimsby, or Exeter to learn the trade. Either they want a high profile position (as an untried manager/head coach) or else they don't want the headaches associated with managing a football club. Being a pundit on TV pays better, is less of a headache and they can still hit the headlines when they call x, y, or z a disgrace to the profession.

Lesser known players who wish to stay in the game, take their coaching badges and get jobs managing the less-fashionable clubs that make up the British game. They stand little chance of a Premier League job irrespective of how much experience they have or how good they actually are.

A few still go abroad and are generally very successful but they tend to go very far afield.

What happened meanwhile? The fantasy land of the Premier League and the obscene wealth of it. It destroyed the national team and severely limits the opportunities of British players and managers alike.

Don't get me wrong, the Premier League is great fun to watch. It just appallingly bad for the development of British talent at the highest level.

The English Football League and the National League are both enjoying an upsurge of interest from football fans across the country. And managers don't have to listen to player's endless whining about how their favourite hair stylist doesn't understand them.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/29/2017 5:22:00 AM   
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Thank you for your insightful thoughts.

And I understand the points made about the Premier League. But why, then, isn't there a export of English managers to other leagues? Could it be because they are paid more than enough as third assistant coach in a average premier league club? No point in moving where you do not get more pay, but you get a more insecure position? And therefore the English managers do not seek a carrier abroad?

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 8/29/2017 10:45:56 AM   
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Thank you for your insightful thoughts.

And I understand the points made about the Premier League. But why, then, isn't there a export of English managers to other leagues? Could it be because they are paid more than enough as third assistant coach in a average premier league club? No point in moving where you do not get more pay, but you get a more insecure position? And therefore the English managers do not seek a carrier abroad?

I think that's right. Whether or not there is a clear progression from third assistant coach to head coach remains to be seen. Gareth Southgate would appear to be the general model.

We may be just witnessing the lull between the ending of a playing career (early 30's) and the forging of a new head coach (mid 40's to mid 50's). That's an optimistic view though and there is no evidence that English clubs have that kind of systemic planning in place or that ex-Premier League footballers are that bothered with the merry-go-round.

As for why more British managers don't go abroad for work, from the Football League down you run into the island nation mentality... it means learning a new language, getting used to a new culture, and getting used to a different footballing culture. I am willing to bet that most Football League and National League managers voted for Brexit.

Best wishes,
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