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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/14/2017 1:11:30 AM   
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Harman states that Fighter Command had 1,400(!) 'ultra-modern' fighters in 1940 - and you don’t see any possible flaws with the book?


Are you disputing the number, quality, or both?

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/14/2017 6:49:03 AM   
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Harman states that Fighter Command had 1,400(!) 'ultra-modern' fighters in 1940 - and you don’t see any possible flaws with the book?


Are you disputing the number, quality, or both?
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With regard to this 'fact' I am certainly disputing both the number and the quality.

But remember this is more than that. I don't want this to become just a discussion on the campaign (although of course that will naturally and quite necessarily feature heavily). I also want to discuss the presentation of the 'facts', the research carried out, the sources, and what 'new' information this author has actually brought to the party. Re the 'fact' above, the author quotes this number in Chapter 4 but does not say from where it comes and I have never seen this from any other source. His notes to chapter 4 - one short paragraph - seem to refer mostly to the army, and 'Official British Histories, taken with a pinch of salt'????

You have championed this book across a number of threads and a couple of forums as being 'awesome' and using 'info released after Britain's Secrets Act expired on the info'. You also states 'It reveals war crimes and deception of her [UK] allies worse than you could imagine than what happened at Mers-el-Kebir'. But I can't see that it does.

When I think of 'awesome' books I think of, for example, Shattered Sword. This book seeks to explain the battle in almost forensic detail - and truly dispels myths. Importantly, in so doing the authors state where their new information comes from, they explain the source of the myths and why they believe them wrong. This author troubles himself with no such effort.

I presume you have read other books on the Western Front in 1940 and so am really keen to understand what elevates this work into the 'awesome' category and is not just some hack trying to sell a book on a subject much written about by making a number of unsubstantiated statements that he hasn't bothered to properly research or explain.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/14/2017 2:54:17 PM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/19/2017 4:32:15 PM   
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Looking forward to this - out next week



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Well one rave review at least I can't wait.
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/books/855459/Munich-review-Robert-Harris-novel-book


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/23/2017 6:20:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well the book arrived on time - thank-you Amazon - and I have put to one side the two books I'm currently reading to get this read. As was expected, this is unputdownable. I love the way this guy writes, I love what he writes about and the attention to detail. A full review to be written once the book is finished.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/23/2017 3:54:58 PM   
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Looking forward to this - out next week



Let's pretend for a moment that someone didn't know ANYTHING about this author or these books. How (other than involving so-called dangly bits) would you describe them?

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/23/2017 7:24:31 PM   
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Looking forward to this - out next week



Let's pretend for a moment that someone didn't know ANYTHING about this author or these books. How (other than involving so-called dangly bits) would you describe them?
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Well one could legitimately describe them as being the dogs dangly bits - however as I have been asked to use other verbiage, I'll try this.

Robert Harris writes, in the main, about fictional characters that he sets within historical events - e.g. Pompeii, Munich, Enigma (Bletchley Park) or historical what-ifs e.g. Fatherland (the Germans win WWII).

His books - essentially thrillers - are, in the main, unputdownable page-turners. He has a clear, easy to understand writing style and his historical knowledge is highly impressive - he seems to know all the minutiae and inner workings of his subject matter (one wonders how he knows so much) that enrich his work. For example in Munich he describes Downing Street in 1938 and the workings of the various secretaries and parliamentary aides, he brings the likes of Neville Chamberlain and co alive. He does the same for the Germans and the offices of Hitler, Ribbontrop et al, all the while weaving the historical characters within and around his own characters.

He is a tremendously talented story teller, the fact that he writes about events that interest me e.g. WWII and The Roman Empire obviously helps too.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/24/2017 12:02:25 AM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/24/2017 12:37:57 AM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/24/2017 2:10:03 AM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/24/2017 10:53:54 AM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/25/2017 1:03:31 AM   
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I have enjoyed every page so far. Many great quotes I haven't heard.

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https://www.amazon.com/Alone-Britain-Churchill-Dunkirk-Victory/dp/1631491326

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/25/2017 7:52:14 PM   
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Possible book recommendation for Mr Warspite1?

https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Battleship-Warspite-Hardback/p/14024?

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/26/2017 10:33:32 PM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/27/2017 1:13:03 AM   
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Did not like the first part of the book. It moved too fast.He went from childhood to marriage to betrayal by best friend to wife passes away all in the first couple of chapters. Seemed like pacing was uneven. Once he gets to Germania then it becomes very good. Top notch reading.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/27/2017 5:43:48 AM   
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Possible book recommendation for Mr Warspite1?

https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Battleship-Warspite-Hardback/p/14024?
warspite1

What makes you think I would be interested in this?




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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/27/2017 6:03:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Review: Munich - Robert Harris

I am not a fast reader but had this one done and dusted in four days – I couldn’t wait to read the next page, then the next, then the next…..

Robert Harris is such a great storyteller and so easy to read. This story is never edge of your seat gripping, but as usual fails to disappoint.

The author’s expertise is his attention to detail. Here he really brings the days leading up to the Munich agreement to life, inter-weaving real life characters – particularly the too often wrongly-maligned Neville Chamberlain - and historical events, with fictional characters from his own fertile mind.

Without wanting to spoil the ending I would say this book would be more of interest to those who have a keen interest in WWII and the prelude to the war, as opposed to a reader seeking an out and out thriller.

Harris has a self-confessed passion for this period of time and this comes out in his writing. The little vignettes with Mr and Mrs Chamberlain – such as breakfast at No.10 - are delightful. Harris describes the palaver that was trying to use the telephone in those days. He lets us into No.10 Downing Street, the Fuhrerbau and Hitler’s train – Amerika – via his powers of description allied to painstaking research.

Excellent stuff and a solid 5 stars from me for this one.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/27/2017 11:43:36 AM   
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Currently reading about what is called "The Winter War" in english.

These booklets are more introduction level than in depth, but they occasionally have some information that is new to me, and at a low cost they are worth it imo.



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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/27/2017 2:29:36 PM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/28/2017 2:55:48 PM   
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A brilliant read written by a very humble man.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/28/2017 4:24:52 PM   
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Knowing Me, warspite1, Knowing You Alan Partridge AHA!


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/29/2017 8:28:12 AM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 9/29/2017 4:36:57 PM   
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AHA!

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I am looking for something to wear at the weekend. I am torn between:

"L'homme du Sport"
"I'm in control of my vehicle"
Or perhaps
"Imperial Leisure"

For the last one do you know where I can get an Alan Partridge tie and blazer badge combination?










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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 10/6/2017 2:40:16 AM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 10/8/2017 7:46:11 AM   
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The most dangerous enemy. By Stephen Bungay, THE book if you want to no more about the Battle of Britain.

Right now

The sleepwalkers by Christopher Clark, about how Europe went to war in 1914.

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 10/8/2017 9:21:57 AM   
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Last book I read

The most dangerous enemy. By Stephen Bungay, THE book if you want to no more about the Battle of Britain.

Right now

The sleepwalkers by Christopher Clark, about how Europe went to war in 1914.
warspite1

The Bungay book is excellent. I also enjoyed the Clark book, although a bit heavy going at times.


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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 10/10/2017 9:26:31 AM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 10/10/2017 6:51:17 PM   
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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 10/10/2017 7:03:50 PM   
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Anyway, I have just bought Rome and Juliet by William Shakespeare; 50p from the charity shelf at the supermarket.

Bit of a change from Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War which the bastard didn't even finish writing properly - leaving you mid sentence - "sacrifice to Artemis...."

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RE: What Book Are You Reading at the moment? - 10/10/2017 7:11:38 PM   
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I thought they were the same thing, blade runner being the movie name?

Anyway, I have just bought Rome and Juliet by William Shakespeare; 50p from the charity shelf at the supermarket.

Bit of a change from Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War which the bastard didn't even finish writing properly - leaving you mid sentence - "sacrifice to Artemis...."
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Don't you just hate it when th.....


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