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RE: December 1944 - 10/10/2017 3:31:12 PM   
Lowpe


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AV is 2,300 Forts-6 Some supply but not much (3,000+).

Biggest problem is about 200+ bombers hitting it each turn and now he is running 2-3 Bombardment TFs each day into it. YES: There is CD and mines present but they have not done much. It is the Bombardment TFs that will turn the tide quickly...



There are ways to soak off the bombardments, and still maintain a force. It involves daily breaking down & building up units, cycling largest unit daily, using reserve no pursuit mode, having lots of engineering unit, armor, artillery, and aa, cd guns, base forces, and even some sacrificial planes.

There is still a rail junction in Shanghai to get troops, and a quick two day move to an evacuation rail hex.



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RE: December 1944 - 10/10/2017 3:48:02 PM   
John 3rd


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

To parrot Michael, what are your Command HQ's Prepped for?

Did you move General Defense out of Tokyo?

It is impressive, to me at least, that there isn't a single yellow or red exclamation point in all of China.

Shanghai falling in less than a week is a bitter pill to swallow. I would contemplate railing in troops and trying to hold longer, even if you have to suffer partisan attacks elsewhere.

Addressing a different question, I am in the process of moving out essential support units that cannot be lost when the city falls.



You're right. Losing Shanghai is gonna suck. No other way to put it. And it'll get worse. The central plains areas will be subject to Allied carpet bombing in clear terrain. The fighting in SE China was in favorable terrain and John still got manhandled. Those Japanese troops at Kaifang, Haichow, Nanyang and Suchow are gonna get smoked.



This is why I've kept units behind the lines. Movement takes forever in this Mod so all those troops in oddball areas have multiple hexes to travel--WHEN the fighting is over--to reach a Port hex or RR hex. I simply fight to delay and for time with the Home Isles.


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RE: December 1944 - 10/10/2017 3:49:43 PM   
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RE: December 1944 - 10/11/2017 5:28:15 PM   
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Just did a VP Tally from December 17-December 27, 1944. Here are the changes:

Japan 68,969 to 69,732 Net GAIN--763
Allies 102,674 to 105,151 Net GAIN--2,477

Interesting...


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RE: December 1944 - 10/11/2017 5:43:24 PM   
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The two Kido Butai TFs make their presence known by staging a massed ambush/attack at Chumphon, Malaya. The 13 CVs stage nearly 180 Sams over the Base while a single, massed strike hits the Allied troops laying siege to the base. The evening before and the morning of saw BB Musashi and CB Ikoma bombard the troops from the east.

The Allied air units hitting this base over the last few days get one heck of a big surprise!

Attacks:
145 Sam vs 12 Spitfire
179 Sam vs 12 P-38
158 Sam vs 12 Spitfire
109 S vs 19 B-24 and 40 2EB
113 S vs 15 B-24 and 6 2EB

RAID: 112 Sam Escort 188 DB and 157 TB in a massed strike on the troops. WOW! Very nice. Lose 9 planes to AA.

99 S vs 6 B-24
89 S vs 11 B-25
63 S vs 8 B-25
58 S vs 10 B-25
44 S vs 7 B-24
36 S vs 8 B-25
31 S vs 12 A-20
30 S vs 12 B-25
21 S vs 12 B-25
14 S vs 12 P-47

The Japanese lose 23 Sam ATA and 18 to OPs. While 41 is not pleasant, we only lose--catch this--9 pilots! Nice.

Allied losses tally nearly 100 aircraft. LOTS of B-25, -24 and 16 of 24 Spits.


The demonstration firmly fixes the Kido Butai in this location. Now the TFs shall race back and move into the Eastern DEI prior to the final return to the Home Islands.




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RE: December 1944 - 10/11/2017 5:55:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

December 27, 1944

Just did a VP Tally from December 17-December 27, 1944. Here are the changes:

Japan 68,969 to 69,732 Net GAIN--763
Allies 102,674 to 105,151 Net GAIN--2,477

Interesting...



What percentage of those Allied VP net gain are from LCU devices liquidated in SE Asia versus Allied firebombing?

I predict that CR will be unable to gain autovictory over you in 1944.

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RE: December 1944 - 10/11/2017 6:40:34 PM   
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RE: December 1944 - 10/11/2017 7:59:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lurking until now. Fascinating AAR and game. Personally, I'd love to see this continue until well into 45 to see many of the late model aircraft get into play en masse and an invasion of Japan. If not Honshu, Kyushu.

Thinking about doing a PBEM after a long absence from playing, the newest RA is my choice this time around.
Thanks for the epic AAR John.

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RE: December 1944 - 10/11/2017 9:25:42 PM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		Hi Sir.

Michael and I have gotten Between the Storms and Between the Storms Lite completed and updated. I've nearly got Treaty Mod done. RA has not been touched as of yet. REALLY recommend BTS or BTSL.


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RE: December 1944 - 10/12/2017 1:21:06 AM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		Just an FYI: I am flying to Lost Wages to hang with my Best Friend of 36 years. We gonna play cards, drink some adult beverages, talk, and play some cards...

Leave on Friday and back Monday morning.


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RE: December 1944 - 10/12/2017 12:46:42 PM   
John 3rd


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The enemy's Fleet has returned--having replaced about 3-400 Fighters--and it trying to gain aerial superiority again. Today's target is Fukuoka. The fight starts with a bang: 206 Japanese Fighters (mainly Tony) vs 287 F4U:





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RE: December 1944 - 10/12/2017 1:10:17 PM   
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My pilots are developing a distinct taste for wild horse meat!





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RE: December 1944 - 10/12/2017 1:21:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		As said above the target for the day was Fukuoka. Here are the raids and one can see why those Mustangs got beat-up BAD:

206 F v 287 F4U
137 F v 16 P-51
129 F v 15 -51
117 F v 16 -51
107 F v 16 -51
78 F v 13 -51
70 F v 42 B-24 Libs
46 F v 6 -24
26 F v 16 -24
22 F v 11 -24
20 F v 6 -24
19 F v 15 F4U
6 F v 16 -51

The -24s went after manpower targets.

Move in 200 Fighters to see if he comes back.

Fighting all at low, stacked altitude.


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RE: December 1944 - 10/12/2017 3:29:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice riposte! Make 'em pay!

Good to see that you're spreading the losses amongst your different airframes too. That'll keep you in the fight much longer. How many pilots did you lose? I assume that all of his A2A losses involved pilot losses as well (perhaps with the exception of the OPS losses), so you're likely maintaining a good cadre of pilots for replacement too.

ETA: Why are there no IJN submarines in the area? It only takes one to get a lucky shot into a CV. If he's loitering with Death Star banging away on Kyushu's facilities, I'd rotate some subs through the area to at least try, John.

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RE: December 1944 - 10/13/2017 3:01:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've got three nearby and will try it. Money says they all get sunk for no result but will try it.

Lost only about a dozen pilots. Fighting over my bases has been very good for pilot losses to this point.

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RE: December 1944 - 10/13/2017 4:42:37 AM   
John 3rd


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RE: December 1944 - 10/16/2017 11:17:07 PM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		We are home from LOST WAGES!

Campaign to re-commence this evening with the turn sitting in my email.


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RE: December 1944 - 10/17/2017 1:44:47 AM   
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Any strange vibes from LV?

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RE: December 1944 - 10/17/2017 2:37:03 AM   
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RE: December 1944 - 10/17/2017 1:11:05 PM   
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The current line in China. These units have been locked in a fight for this hex for over 2 weeks. Time to pull back a bit and try to get one Armored Division free for some R&R.





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1945: BANZAI! - 10/17/2017 1:23:22 PM   
John 3rd


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Well...gang...it is the 14th Round of a scheduled 15.

Welcome to 1945!





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RE: 1945: BANZAI! - 10/17/2017 1:29:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		This game started November 15, 2012 and, after many twists and turns, has now reached 1945.

Thanks to the readership. Dan and I truly and humbly say thank you for the support and 'loving' commentary...

BANZAI to all who make it to 1945!


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RE: 1945: BANZAI! - 10/17/2017 1:33:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congratulations on reaching 1945. You and your opponent have played a very interesting game (can't comment, reading both AARs), so thank you to both!

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RE: 1945: BANZAI! - 10/17/2017 2:21:59 PM   
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Thanks to the readership. Dan and I truly and humbly say thank you for the support and 'loving' commentary...

BANZAI to all who make it to 1945!


Quite an uncommon accomplishment, John. Well done!

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RE: 1945: BANZAI! - 10/17/2017 2:46:41 PM   
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RE: December 1944 - 10/17/2017 3:05:39 PM   
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Just an FYI: I am flying to Lost Wages to hang with my Best Friend of 36 years. We gonna play cards, drink some adult beverages, talk, and play some cards...

Leave on Friday and back Monday morning.



Adult beverages. Would that be Metamucil?

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January 1945 - 10/18/2017 4:09:33 PM   
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At this point, ANY day that does not see some form of attack upon the Home Islands is considered a blessing. In this case, we are now three days into peace reigning throughout the Home Isles and I greatly appreciate it. Checked today and saw that my Fighter Production is nearly 50 Frank, Sam, Tony-100, and George a day. Three days of no attacks equates to 150 Fighters produced without any drain on the pools. GOOD!

My small Japanese CV Attack Force just reached Truk and will mosey down to Tulagi before deployment.

The three Heavy CV TFs of Kido Butai arrive at Soerabaja this day. They will wait a day and pick-up two CAs coming off of their upgrade. After that, they shall cover a HUGE Oil/Fuel TF that should depart in 2-3 days. Once escorted out the CVs will head for home. I plan to off-load the aircraft and retire the Carriers to somewhere way up North.

The fighters will augment Kyushu/Honshu while the DB/TB continue training for the Invasion of Japan. If I disband the CVs and leave a few DDs, I could use the CLs, CAs, and Capital Ships to attack the Allied Fleet. This is just a thought at the moment...




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RE: January 1945 - 10/18/2017 7:19:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you really need the oil / fuel in the Home Islands? Once you get to a certain point running those ships is simply a risk you may not need to do anymore. And it frees up your ships for offensive actions.


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RE: January 1945 - 10/18/2017 10:19:15 PM   
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FUEL: I've been placing fuel at Saipan, Truk, and Tulagi. I've got 65,000 stored in AOs as well.
Oil: Taking it all back to the Home Islands.


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RE: January 1945 - 10/18/2017 11:15:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Xargun

Do you really need the oil / fuel in the Home Islands? Once you get to a certain point running those ships is simply a risk you may not need to do anymore. And it frees up your ships for offensive actions.




As discussed previously, John doesn't have an exhaustive supply or HI reserve. The oil and fuel, once refined and run through HI will generate both. Having an unassailable HI store will be very important for him maintaining resistance until the bitter end-whenever that will be. Arguments about what he 'should have' had in reserve by now are water under the bridge. So long as he can return this oil and fuel at low opportunity cost (the 'cost' of not interdicting CRs DS and the cost of potentially lost AOs/TKs), he should do so, IMO.

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