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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/10/2018 6:42:59 PM   
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If I posted all of the "cool news" that came across my desk here, I'd be considered a spammer, so I wouldn't say that it went undetected.


May be you considered a spammer, but I think this was first mass usage of UAVs.

https://www.vif2ne.org/nvk/forum/files/Hamster/(180110142640)_5a55ca7c183561600e8b4568.jpg


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/10/2018 7:15:12 PM   
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ARLINGTON, Va.— The U.S. Navy will test a new laser weapon aboard the San Antonio-class amphibious ship Portland as early as this fall, the service’s program manager announced Tuesday.

The integration of a laser with the Portland (LPD-28) will be the first such effort since the demonstrations of the prototype Laser Weapon System, or LaWS, aboard the amphibious transport dock ship Ponce in 2014.

At this point, the Navy has no plans to put a laser onto LPD-28, LPD-29 or the follow on LX amphibious transport dock, said Capt. Brian Metcalf, the program manager for LPD-17 and LX(R).


https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/surface-navy-association/2018/01/10/navys-next-amphibious-warship-to-get-laser-weapon

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/10/2018 7:29:25 PM   
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If I posted all of the "cool news" that came across my desk here, I'd be considered a spammer, so I wouldn't say that it went undetected.


May be you considered a spammer, but I think this was first mass usage of UAVs.

https://www.vif2ne.org/nvk/forum/files/Hamster/(180110142640)_5a55ca7c183561600e8b4568.jpg


I guess it depends on your definition of "mass".

ISIS has been using multiple drones in coordinated attacks for a years now in Iraq and Syria. I've yet to see any actual "swarm" intelligence being used by ISIS, or in this specific attack. One of the main reasons why I think that this *wasn't* a swarm attack was that the Russian infowar unit stationed at the base (which itself points to a specific piece of intelligence) managed to take over only three of the units - which points to a non swarm communication system.

Specifically speaking on swarm drones, one only need to look at the releases from China Electronics Technology Group which had an operational swarm of close to 120 units which bested the Navy Perdix and Locust systems in size.



Unless you want to bandy around the theory that the US has been responsible for the drone strikes via the P-8 that's been hanging out in Syria?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/11/2018 1:48:04 AM   
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@TheOttoman We would all like to understand where your desk is in relation to the defense industry.

Thanks.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/11/2018 6:55:12 AM   
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I guess it depends on your definition of "mass".

ISIS has been using multiple drones in coordinated attacks for a years now in Iraq and Syria. I've yet to see any actual "swarm" intelligence being used by ISIS, or in this specific attack. One of the main reasons why I think that this *wasn't* a swarm attack was that the Russian infowar unit stationed at the base (which itself points to a specific piece of intelligence) managed to take over only three of the units - which points to a non swarm communication system.


Of course, that was not a swarm. Just coordinated by time and by place multiple drones attack.

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Specifically speaking on swarm drones, one only need to look at the releases from China Electronics Technology Group which had an operational swarm of close to 120 units which bested the Navy Perdix and Locust systems in size.


All these are just tests and drills, not a combat employment

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Unless you want to bandy around the theory that the US has been responsible for the drone strikes via the P-8 that's been hanging out in Syria?


Logic and Occam's razor require to discard this version. P-8 flied many times long before this attack, so I see no reasons to tie US with this strike. But I don't know about navigation and control systems of drones, about they hardware.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/11/2018 12:37:03 PM   
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a14929167/yemen-rebels-shot-down-f15-tornado/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/11/2018 2:45:09 PM   
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Actually, it's a family of the Recce pods(left to right): electro-optical, ELINT, SAR.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/11/2018 11:08:41 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 1:42:33 AM   
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http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/AJ201801110046.html

EDIT: It’s a Chinese 093B. A victory to caught a fish by JMSDF, and there is no white flag for PLAN;

https://mobile.twitter.com/bouei_saigai/status/951756285480861697

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 10:39:41 AM   
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United States Nuclear Posture Review. January 2018.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4347479/Npr-2018-A.pdf

Pre-decisional/Draft copy. To replace the NPR of 2010.

For Armageddon scenarios.


Update:

Some analysis of the NPR from Defense News:

https://www.defensenews.com/space/2018/01/12/nuclear-posture-review-draft-leaks-new-weapons-coming-amid-strategic-shift/

https://www.defensenews.com/space/2018/01/12/russias-nuclear-underwater-drone-is-real-and-in-the-nuclear-posture-review/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 2:46:39 PM   
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Very interesting and thanks for the reference. I've included the document in the Dropbox CMANO "unofficial" reference library.

Any forum member who would like access to the library please PM me with your email address and I'll add you to the list.

-Wayne Stiles

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 3:04:44 PM   
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You're welcome Stilesw.

It is a draft version though. When it is finalized I expect it will be uploaded to the U.S. Department of Defense website - which is where you can find the 2010 NPR:

https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/features/defenseReviews/NPR/2010_Nuclear_Posture_Review_Report.pdf

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 3:24:26 PM   
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At last, no rounds for Zumwalt 155mm guns:
https://news.usni.org/2018/01/11/no-new-round-planned-zumwalt-destroyer-gun-system-navy-monitoring-industry


What a great plan: a gun with no ammo.

I wonder what is so wrong with the Army's 155 rounds? Excalibur has extended range and GPS guidance. I can't imagine even a small seeker head would be too hard to bolt on to that round.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 3:43:39 PM   
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I wonder what is so wrong with the Army's 155 rounds? Excalibur has extended range and GPS guidance. I can't imagine even a small seeker head would be too hard to bolt on to that round.



Maybe an entirely different casing and/or loading mechanism preventing to be interchangeable?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 3:49:29 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 4:41:41 PM   
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At last, no rounds for Zumwalt 155mm guns:
https://news.usni.org/2018/01/11/no-new-round-planned-zumwalt-destroyer-gun-system-navy-monitoring-industry


What a great plan: a gun with no ammo.

I wonder what is so wrong with the Army's 155 rounds? Excalibur has extended range and GPS guidance. I can't imagine even a small seeker head would be too hard to bolt on to that round.



As far as the seeker head, that exists: https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-systems/armament-systems/pgk/docs/109493_09%20XM1156%20PGK%20for%20Artillery%20(Approved).pdf

Excalibur is fading into the background due to expense, reduced payload (HE) and a few other reasons. I suspect that the Navy will use a similar technology, not sure what solution they will come up with.

Believe it or not, development of an artillery round is not a simple thing, and getting more range, more precision, and higher rate of fire are all competing demands. This one does smell like a problem though...

B

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 6:31:44 PM   
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Quite a ballsy move, exposing such a new nuclear submarine to JMSDF surveillance. Photo is taken by the Japanese, supposedly.



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2018 11:41:22 PM   
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I wonder what is so wrong with the Army's 155 rounds? Excalibur has extended range and GPS guidance. I can't imagine even a small seeker head would be too hard to bolt on to that round.



Maybe an entirely different casing and/or loading mechanism preventing to be interchangeable?


Yeah...that's why I'm wondering why the Navy didn't use the Army's solution. Sure, different needs. So, why go 155mm if you couldn't use the existing 155mm infrastructure?
Navy needs some armor piercing. That's easy enough to change the warhead. Army uses powder bags. Did Navy go with fixed cartridges???

This just smells of a poor plan, poorly executed. A new ship with a gun with no ammo. Go Navy.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/13/2018 11:47:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is a sad procurement story for sure. The use of existing 155 mm rounds should have been part of the contract even at degraded performance. IDK, maybe the Army put a strangle hold on its stockpile. I wonder if there were hearings on the Hill on this. Had to be.

From wiki: "Shortly after the USS Zumwalt (DDG-1000) was commissioned, the U.S. Navy moved to cancel the LRLAP due to excessive cost overruns. With the number of ships reduced from 32 to 3 examples, the per-unit cost of each LRLAP shot increased to $800,000-$1 million. This made the system untenable despite no significant performance issues. Other projectiles are being examined to replace the LRLAP, but since it is the only munition designed to be fired from the AGS, the barrel, software, cooling system, and automated magazines would have to be modified to accommodate a different round. It is not likely an LRLAP replacement could be put into service by the time Zumwalt enters operational service in 2018. It could cost up to $250 million in engineering costs to modify all six guns on the three ships to accept a new round."

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/15/2018 2:05:40 PM   
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I am back from the US after a break there and SNA.

Our coverage of Surface Navy Association SNA 2018!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6hbsl26rRw
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Day 1, coverage of:
- Interview with Admiral Hart, SNA Chairman of the Symposium Committee
- Lockheed Martin FFG(X) Frigate design
- BAE Systems ADL Adaptable Deck Launcher
- Kongsberg NSM Naval Strike Missile
- Raytheon ESSM & RAM for UAE Navy Gowind corvettes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31YL7i4OQPo
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Day 2, coverage of:
- General Dynamics Bath Iron Works / Navantia F100
- TKMS / Atlas North America MEKO
- Austal Frigate
- Fincantieri Marine Group FREMM
- Northrop Grumman SSMM and 30mm LCS mission modules


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyGWALqBtrg
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Day 3 Part 1/2, coverage of:
- Royal Saudi Navy MMSC
- General Dynamics Bluefin Robotics Knifefish UUV
- Northrop Grumman AQS-24 mine hunting system
- Rheinmetall 35mm Millennium gun


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/15/2018 6:53:17 PM   
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Is this a torpedo warning sonar? I can’t find this in the DB- is there another name for this in the DB?

And what is the an/sqs-62? Is it the same as CAPTAS VDS?

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/Exhibits/SNA2018/FFG(X)_SNA_brief-Jan2018_Final2.pdf?ver=2018-01-09-162546-053

Thanks

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/15/2018 6:58:49 PM   
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ANKARA, Turkey —Turkey’s defense procurement agency has officially launched a competition to combine all information systems on the country’s planned F-35 Lightning II fifth-generation multirole fighter jets to the Turkish Air Forces’ system network.

The Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM in its Turkish acronym) dubs the program F-35/Air Force Information System Integration Project.

Under the program, the successful contender will connect the information systems installed on the F-35 fighter aircraft with the Air Forces’ information systems network, otherwise known as HvBS.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/01/09/turkey-wants-to-link-f-35-jets-to-its-air-force-network/

That's great and all, until you remember that the Turks also are hooked into the Russian defense ministry (as evidence with the sale of the S-400). Are Lockheed's export "DLC locks" on the F-35 going to be strong enough when Russian engineers will undoubtedly have full access to it?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/16/2018 10:34:41 AM   
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The U.S. Air Force has deployed one of its EC-130H Compass Call electronic warfare aircraft to South Korea.

https://theaviationist.com/?p=49316



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/16/2018 10:43:23 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/16/2018 10:46:16 AM   
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EC-130J Commando Solo according to Wikipedia.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/16/2018 3:17:55 PM   
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At the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) 2018 National Symposium currently held near Washington DC, Lockheed Martin unveiled the design of the frigate it is proposing for the U.S. Navy FFG(X) requirement.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5841-sna-2018-lockheed-martin-unveils-its-ffg-x-frigate-design.html

SNA 2018: BAE Systems Unveils the Adaptable Deck Launcher

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At the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) 2018 National Symposium currently held near Washington DC, BAE Systems unveiled the Adaptable Deck Launcher, or ADL, capable of launching multiple missile types from multiple platforms for multiple mission scenarios.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5843-sna-2018-bae-systems-unveils-the-adaptable-deck-launcher.html

SNA 2018: Lockheed Martin Showcasing Royal Saudi Navy MMSC

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At the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) 2018 National Symposium currently held near Washington DC, Lockheed Martin is showcasing a new scale model representative of the Multi-Mission Surface Combatant (MMSC) recently procured by Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA).

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5846-sna-2018-lockheed-martin-showcasing-royal-saudi-navy-mmsc.html

L3 to provide ALaMO 57 mm guided smart ammunition for US Navy LCS & FFG

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L3 Mustang Technology announced in August last year the completion of the Critical Design Review (CDR) phase for the U.S. Navy’s MK 332 Mod 0 High-Explosive, 4-Bolt Guided (HE-4G) projectile. The HE-4G is being developed by L3 Mustang’s Advanced Low-Cost Munitions Ordnance (ALaMO) program.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5847-l3-to-provide-alamo-57-mm-guided-smart-ammunition-for-us-navy-lcs-ffg.html

SNA 2018: BAE Systems Unveils High Powered Microwave

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At the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) 2018 National Symposium held last week near Washington DC, BAE Systems was showcasing for the first time its High Powered Microwave.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5854-sna-2018-bae-systems-unveils-high-powered-microwave.html

SNA 2018: MARTAC Showcasing MANTAS T12 USV in ISR Configuration

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At the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) 2018 National Symposium held last week near Washington DC, Maritime Tactical Systems (MARTAC) was showcasing for the first time its news MANTAS T12 unmanned surface vehicle. MANTAS is a range of unmanned surface vehicules (USV) scalable from 2.5' to 50' in length capable of extremely high speeds and long endurance missions.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5856-sna-2018-martac-showcasing-mantas-t12-usv-in-isr-configuration.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/17/2018 10:51:43 AM   
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Japan is examining how to evacuate its citizens from South Korea in the event of a crisis that closes airports. Japanese and U.S. military vessels would take Japanese and U.S. citizens from the port of Busan to Japan’s Tsushima island, roughly 30 miles away, before ferrying them to the southernmost main island of Kyushu a day or so later.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-japan-northkorea-evacuation/japan-investigates-how-to-evacuate-citizens-from-south-korea-in-crisis-report-idUKKBN1F508J

Evacuation/ASW scenario?



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/18/2018 12:10:43 AM   
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https://www.universetoday.com/138263/china-plan-clean-space-junk-lasers/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/18/2018 1:20:21 PM   
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SNA 2018: Contenders for the U.S. Navy FFG(X) Frigate Program

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At the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) 2018 National Symposium held last week near Washington DC, no less than five shipbuilders were showcasing their conceptual designs or parent designs for the U.S. Navy FFG(X) Frigate program.
...
While the program manager didn't want to mention which shipbuilders submitted their conceptual designs, here is an overview of what we saw (and heard) on the show floor at SNA 2018:

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5867-sna-2018-contenders-for-the-u-s-navy-ffg-x-frigate-program.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/18/2018 1:33:06 PM   
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