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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 1/31/2018 3:54:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants
I may have asked this before, but I forgot the answer. How do you attack and sink disbanded ships in a dot base? Not posted yet, but I had 6 CLs and 7 DDs bombard a dot base getting a few hits on the AVDs disbanded there. They are still there a few turns later. Will port attacks work?

Bomber port attacks with high DL level yes.
It is actually quite annoying mechanics that makes disbanded ships very resilient to sea bombardments in smaller ports. I mean, there is nothing else there to shoot at. Y U send shells into jungle when there is obviously a ship anchored right there??

Last I heard you cannot get your bombers to set a port attack against a target that has no port.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/1/2018 10:22:14 AM   
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43 Oct 10 & 11: How good are George and Frank??

Subs:
Balbao is operating 2 SW of Kobe. She sinks an xAK with 2 TT hits.

quote:

Sub attack near San Francisco at 210,76

Japanese Ships
SS I-15, hits 13, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SC-981
SC-984
SC-983

SS I-15 launches 2 torpedoes at SC-981
I-15 diving deep ....
SC-984 attacking submerged sub ....
SC-983 fails to find sub and abandons search
SC-984 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-984 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC-984 attacking submerged sub ....
SC-984 is out of ASW ammo
SS I-15 forced to surface!
SC-984 firing on surfaced sub ....
SC-984 firing on surfaced sub ....
SC-984 firing on surfaced sub ....
SC-984 firing on surfaced sub ....
SC-984 firing on surfaced sub ....
SC-984 firing on surfaced sub ....
SC-984 firing on surfaced sub ....
SC-984 firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

First time I've seen this happen...FOW?!? She is still afloat!! However, damage is 45-78(42)-9(6)-0.


CVs:
Allied DS - now MIA
KB is patrolling to west of Tabiteuea.
KB-4 with 322 planes (minus CV Hiyo) leaves Tokyo on 10th. CV Hiyo will follow in just over a week.

SoPac:


CenPac:
Tabiteuea - My AMc arrive and sweep away the minefield!!

China:
Kashgar - While Brian does nothing in India, he does send in 33 Liberators and 43 B-24s to hit my troops here.
Chungking - Helen's fresh from bombing Sian into submission have relocated and rested. So, 153 hit the AF here. I have two Helen groups with high Gnd skills now working on their NavB skills.

Western Australia:
quote:

Morning Air attack on Geraldton , at 49,141

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 40

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 16
P-38G Lightning x 25
P-38H Lightning x 25
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 2 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 5 destroyed
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x N1K2-J George sweeping at 24000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.85 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
348th FG/340th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
475th FG/431st FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
475th FG/432nd FS with P-38G Lightning (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes

Outnumbered 2:1, my George's still do well. The P-38s are good for just two things at this stage of the war, long range escorts and max altitude sweeps.

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Morning Air attack on Geraldton , at 49,141

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 32

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
P-38G Lightning x 14
P-38H Lightning x 21
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 2 destroyed
P-38H Lightning: 5 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 20000 feet *

CAP engaged:
348th FG/340th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 25932.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
475th FG/431st FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
475th FG/432nd FS with P-38G Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
No.85 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes

Franks do slightly better. For the day I lose 16 George & 11 Frank, but the Allies lose 26 P-38s, 11 P-47s, and 4 Spit. Those numbers are A2A and op losses. 10 pilots are killed.

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Morning Air attack on Geraldton , at 49,141

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 4

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
P-38G Lightning x 6
P-38H Lightning x 6
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
348th FG/340th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
475th FG/431st FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
No.85 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead
475th FG/432nd FS with P-38G Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes


Notes:
A7M2 Sam to 4/44 - With the version of the mod, only the 2nd & 3rd gen George are CV capable. So, I'll keep pushing the Sam forward.

Ki-67-Ia Peggy to 1/44

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/1/2018 10:47:44 AM   
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43 Oct 12 & 13: Operational tempo has slowed down to my efforts in Gilberts and finishing up in China.

Subs:
Balbao claims another victim. A slow SC is sunk off Kobe.

I-174 is hit at Tanna.

Batfish is operating 1SW of Tabiteuea. Robalo is off Tarawa.

Skipjack sinks one small xAKL and Salmon heavily damages another that are unloading supplies at Tarawa. I had sent most of my PBs towards Truk when DS showed up and had moved towards this base. They are back at Kwajalein now.

Gato gets a TT hit on DD Sazanami, but she doesn't sink!!

CVs:
KB still west of Tabieteua

SoPac:

CenPac:
Tabiteuea - The big boys pay a visit...
quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Tabiteuea at 137,134 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

68 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
BC Kawachi
BC Ishitaka
CL Yubari
DD Kawakaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Harusame
DD Murasame
DD Shigure
DD Shiratsuyu

Allied ground losses:
250 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 32 (1 destroyed, 31 disabled)


Arorae - I'm trying to get rid of those pesky PBYs by sinking the disbanded AVDs in a dot base. Not having anything else to hit, I'm not happy with the results.
quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Arorae at 138,137

Japanese Ships
CL Niyodo
CL Jintsu
CL Sendai
CL Noshiro
CL Kinugasa
CL Aoba
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Shiranui
DD Maikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Kuroshio
DD Kagero

Allied Ships
AVD Coos Bay, Shell hits 1
AVD San Pablo, Shell hits 4, on fire

Port hits 38
Port supply hits 26


China:
Kashgar and Chungking bombed by each side.

Stack 1SE of Ankang is attacked again. More troops destroyed as he is down to two battered corps.

Notes:
Kusaie - The port goes to 2 and I'll keep expanding the base. Even before Mr Lowpe's comments, I'm in the process of relocating ALL of KB here to get out of recon and NavS range.

Ki-43-IIIa Oscar to 12/43 - just 2 R&D factories at work here. Keeping the Oscar line to provide that long range escort.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/3/2018 4:03:35 PM   
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43 Oct 14 & 15: Back to China and more China along with logistics.

Subs:
Finback sinks a PC on patrol off Sakhalin Island

CVs:
KB heads back to Tulagi to replenish and repair minor damage.

China:
Chungking - Over 150 Helens hit AF
Kashgar - Allies using my troops up here as bomber targets.
1SE Ankang - Another deliberate attack with odds at 963J:13A. Casualties are just 610A.

Notes:
Half way through Oct 43 and the Allied steamroller seems to remain in neutral.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/3/2018 4:28:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

43 Oct 10 & 11: How good are George and Frank??



Frank is more important than George, as it flies in a large number of very large Sentais.

Anyhow, perhaps the strongest feature in this mod, is the acceleration at start of the Sam. It is hard to ascribe how strong a boost that early arrival date gives the Empire. You have it accelerated now to 4/44...I wonder how many factories you have on r&d for this beast.

Such an early arrival, well before the IJN fighter withdraw bloodbath is such a great boon.

Enjoy.

P38s can be used for longer, low altitude naval strikes against small ships very nicely. Also a good low attack strafe platform. Plenty of uses for the twin tailed devil.

< Message edited by Lowpe -- 2/3/2018 4:31:06 PM >

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/3/2018 4:31:41 PM   
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43 Oct 16 & 17: Good two days for R&D efforts

Subs:
I-15 sinks on way from California back to Adak for repairs. She survived getting depth charged and force to surface, But, poor Japanese damage control does her in.

Skate gets a TT hit on DD Oyasho off Toyohara and sinks her. She had survived a TT hit weeks ago and limped into port. After all repairs were done there, she was trying to get to a repair shipyard.

CVs:
KB-4 arrives at Truk. A few days to repair minor damge.

KB arriving back at Tulagi. KB-2 has their fighters upgrade from -2 to -4 Georges.

China:
Chungking - bombed again and again by over 150 Helens. Base has 187 LCUs and 792,900 trps, 172 guns, 0 AFVs.

1SE Ankang - A final deliberate attack gets the final two Corp to surrender and 12426 casualties

CenPac:
Tabiteuea - 3 BBs & 9 DDs hit the Allied troops here and inflict 520 casualties. An observation here, but I don't recall any supply being destroyed when you hit troops at your own base. Am I wrong??

Tarawa - Minefield found and now being swept.

Notes:
D4Y4 Judy to 5/44

B7A2 Grace to 9/44

A7M3 Sam to 8/45

N1K5-J George to 11/44 (non-CV capable)

Ki-84b Frank to 8/44





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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/4/2018 1:05:11 PM   
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Wow. Nice Shiden Kai 4 there. They look nasty to face, especially since the USN didn't really go all in with cannon armed birds.

That'd be something wouldn't it, seeing the F6F-5N starting Apr 44 :P Or the F4U-1C with its 4 Hispanos.

Anyways, nice work in the Gilberts, he'll be on Tabby for a long time to come it seems. Or if he tries to pull out you can slap him around a bit.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/4/2018 6:58:01 PM   
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43 Oct 18 & 19: Slow few turns

Subs:
Batfish is operating 3 NNW of Tabiteuea. She gets a TT hit on an xAP carrying part of 4th Fleet HQ from Tabby to Kusaie.

Finback sink PB off Toyohara

CVs:
KB-4 leaves Truk for Kusaie

CV Hiyo leaves Tokyo to join KB-4

China:
Chungking - just 150 Helens bombing the AF here.

CenPac:
Arorae - 6 CLs & 7 DDs hit this dot base south of Tabiteuea. An AVD is hit twice.

Notes:
CHINA - What do do about Chungking?? There are almost 190 LCUs there and almost 800k troops. Try to get his troops to retreat out of base OR just take control of the 6 hexsides and keep about 10 divisions there??

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/4/2018 7:01:50 PM   
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43 Oct 20 & 21: Another couple of slow turns

Subs:
KXV is hit twice two north of Tulagi

Finback sinks PB off Toyohara. My slow PB are making a nice reef up here.

China:
Chungking - Just daily bombing run

Notes:
P1Y2 Frances to 4/44.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/5/2018 12:45:28 PM   
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43 Oct 22 & 23: Air raid!!!

Subs:
Skate is another Allied sub operating off Toyohara. She sinks a PB with TT hit.

CVs:

China: Weather shuts down air strikes at Chungking.

SoPac:
Tulagi - A 'major' air raid occurs on 22nd...
quote:

Morning Air attack on Tulagi , at 114,137

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 74
Ki-84a Frank x 35

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 79

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 10 destroyed, 40 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 4 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryukaku, Bomb hits 1 [21-0-0-0] She will come out from pierside and head to a base outside of B-24 range.
BC Kasuga, Bomb hits 1
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 2, on fire [27-7(1)-15(1)-0] I think I dodged a bullet here.
BC Kawachi, Bomb hits 1

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
1 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
1 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
204 Ku S-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 21 scrambling)
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
Nagasaki-4 Ku T-3 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 21 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 31276.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
Taiho-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 20 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes

Training flight from 204 Ku S-1 has been caught up in attack
Training flight from Taiho-1 has been caught up in attack

I'm holding my breathe when this first pops up. Can my Franks and mostly Georges slow down the big beasties?? They do ok, but I have to wait until the replay is over to see how dumb or smart I am.

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Morning Air attack on Tulagi , at 114,137

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 39
N1K4-A George x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 18

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
204 Ku S-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
23 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 56 minutes
Taiho-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
Kaimon-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
18 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
Nagasaki-4 Ku T-3 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes

Training flight from Kaimon-1 has been caught up in attack


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Morning Air attack on Tulagi , at 114,137

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 24
N1K4-A George x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 10

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
204 Ku S-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
Taiho-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
Kaimon-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
Taikaku-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
Nagasaki-4 Ku T-3 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes

Training flight from Taikaku-1 has been caught up in attack

Starting to breath again after a few of the 9 plane raids come in and don't hit anything...
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Morning Air attack on Tulagi , at 114,137

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 21
N1K4-A George x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 7

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
BB Ise, Bomb hits 1
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1 [no damage!!]

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
204 Ku S-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
Taiho-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
Unryu-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
Kaimon-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
Taikaku-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
Nagasaki-4 Ku T-3 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes

Training flight from Unryu-1 has been caught up in attack


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Morning Air attack on Tulagi , at 114,137

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 15
N1K4-A George x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
204 Ku S-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
Taiho-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
Unryu-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
Kaimon-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
Taikaku-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
Nagasaki-4 Ku T-3 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Tulagi , at 114,137

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K4-A George x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Taiho-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
Unryu-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 19000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
204 Ku S-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
Nagasaki-4 Ku T-3 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes


Notes:
Screen shot - The first thing I did was scroll down to Tulagi to see how bad my ships are damaged. A deep sigh of relief at just minor damage to CV Soryu and CVL Ryukaku. I next check "Air Losses." I know there is FOW, but 126 B-24s brings a smile to my face.

KB and Company will head to their new home of Kusaie Island.




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43 Oct 24 & 25: Just Logistics and Chungking

Subs:
I-158 is up at NE corner of map to await any TF from Cape Town. She misses an xAK entering or exiting the map.

CVs:
Parts of KB and SC TF leave Tulagi for Kusaie

China:
Chungking - Just my Helens bombing the AF both days.

Notes:
Ki-61-II KAIb Tony to 5/44

A7M2 Sam to 3/44

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Wow.

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43 Oct 26 & 27:

China:
Chungking - Just over 120 Helens bomb the AF both days

Notes:
N1K5-J George to 10/44

Who would of thunk that so little would be happening in late Oct '43?!?

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Wow.


+1

You "dodged" a bullet by setting up a very good defence there and dangling a nice big carrot to entice him in. Losing that many 4Es is devastating to the Allies.

Well played.

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quote:

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Who would of thunk that so little would be happening in late Oct '43?!?


Let me be a bit cynical here - isn't that how the Allied game should be played (even in stock, but much more so in a mod where the Allied option to hit where KB is not is disabled by 3 -or is it 4?- KB parts sailing around each of which is strong enough that the Allied side *may* (or may not, which is reason enough not to try it) be able to deal with if all Allied carriers (including the generous additions to the Allied OOB) are concentrated? And if these KBs are made more competitive in 43 by making better planes CV capable, isn't it just logical that the Allied wait longer?

What I currently take from AARs in this forum is that the Allied can do a deep thrust to conquer a set of bases under a deathstar umbrella that does not have to care about a SLOCs at least in the second half of '44, expand these with a gazillion of engineers in no time to set up an LBA umbrella, freeing deathstar for escort duty to keep supply flowing in and unleash a strat bombing campaign which leads to VP-victory. IJ may have a lot of base VPs, but these can be denied by starving these bases long enough. And VPs for losses inflicted by IJ will quite possibly be reduced in this approach as well. You just have to take care to defend hard enough in order to avoid IJ auto victory.

If this was the case, wouldn't it be logical to hide the relevant attack shipping and Navy assets not just until mid 43 (as a lot of Allied players recommend anyway) but until mid 44 (as a matter of fact, too much is happening for that purpose in this game, look at what happened to enemy heavy bombers). So far, I have yet to read about an effective response to this deep thrust approach - please point me to one if you see it.

Actually, I am worried by this development which may lead to rather boring games if everyone starts plaing this way.

Just my 2cts.

Hartwig

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32 Oct 28 & 29: Fighter sweeps in India

China:
Chungking - Just the usual Helens bombing runs.

India:
Gorakhpur - This base on the eastern flank is subject to Georges and Franks.
quote:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 28, 43
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Morning Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 45

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 25
P-40K Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 7 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 19000 feet *

CAP engaged:
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 22000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 44

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 16
P-40K Warhawk x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 6 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
37 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 19000 feet *

CAP engaged:
23rd FG/76th FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 22000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 22090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 42

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
23rd FG/76th FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 22000 , scrambling fighters to 28320.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 42

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 151 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 45

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
45 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 19000 feet *

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Afternoon Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 54
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 30
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 63

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 2 damaged
P-40K Warhawk: 1 damaged
P-38F Lightning: 2 destroyed on ground
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed on ground
Lysander II: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
36 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 22000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Gorakhpur , at 54,26

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 113 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.211 Sqn RAF with Beaufighter TF.X (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 3000.
Raid is overhead
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 22000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes

Training flight from No.211 Sqn RAF has been caught up in attack


Air losses for the day are 28J to 44A with 11 KIA. Not bad as I had set my Helens to Naval Attack and AF as secondary so they would come in in PM phase. I set the Franks only to sweep on the 29th and the skies are now empty.

Notes: India has been static for months now. I try occasional sweeps just to see Brian's reaction.

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Hartwig,

I understand your concern about these deep strike attacks by the Allies. Canoerebel (Dan) has done it twice now. The first vs John 3rd was after KB had been significantly weakened. The second was against Obvert to a place and in a game where there is NO stacking limits. I wish there was a sound way to stop or at least slow down these deep strikes, but I don't know if there is one. The Allies don't have overwhelming numbers in CV and CVLs, but the fact they get over 40 CVEs in '44 allows most to become just fighter decks and give them such a powerful CAP over their fleet. Japan needs a way to inflict damage and still keep a viable KB presence. In this mod, John decided to make the 2nd and 3rd gen George CV capable. So, there is no gap between the end of the A6 Zero and the A7 Sam lines where the Hellcat and then the 2nd gen Corsairs rule the air over CVs. Does this tilt the game in favor of Japan? I don't know yet. But I do know that due to the losses to the Allied fleet in '42 and early '43, this game 'could' go into late '45 or '46.

Due to the low level of activity in this game right now, I'm now having my CV based fighters with high skills in Air and Straf, but only mid-50s in overall experience now train in Gnd. This third skill has already increased overall experience by up to 10 points.

I hope this and other preparations will keep Japan competitive in the months ahead.

Michael

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quote:

ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

Who would of thunk that so little would be happening in late Oct '43?!?


Let me be a bit cynical here - isn't that how the Allied game should be played (even in stock, but much more so in a mod where the Allied option to hit where KB is not is disabled by 3 -or is it 4?- KB parts sailing around each of which is strong enough that the Allied side *may* (or may not, which is reason enough not to try it) be able to deal with if all Allied carriers (including the generous additions to the Allied OOB) are concentrated? And if these KBs are made more competitive in 43 by making better planes CV capable, isn't it just logical that the Allied wait longer?

What I currently take from AARs in this forum is that the Allied can do a deep thrust to conquer a set of bases under a deathstar umbrella that does not have to care about a SLOCs at least in the second half of '44, expand these with a gazillion of engineers in no time to set up an LBA umbrella, freeing deathstar for escort duty to keep supply flowing in and unleash a strat bombing campaign which leads to VP-victory. IJ may have a lot of base VPs, but these can be denied by starving these bases long enough. And VPs for losses inflicted by IJ will quite possibly be reduced in this approach as well. You just have to take care to defend hard enough in order to avoid IJ auto victory.

If this was the case, wouldn't it be logical to hide the relevant attack shipping and Navy assets not just until mid 43 (as a lot of Allied players recommend anyway) but until mid 44 (as a matter of fact, too much is happening for that purpose in this game, look at what happened to enemy heavy bombers). So far, I have yet to read about an effective response to this deep thrust approach - please point me to one if you see it.

Actually, I am worried by this development which may lead to rather boring games if everyone starts plaing this way.

Just my 2cts.

Hartwig

edited for grammar


I also see some very exciting games that have a lot going on early. If the Allies go into a turtle shell that provides numerous opportunities for Japan to take advantage of it. A passive defence is weak in 42 as there simply isn't enough in any one area to defend against a concentrated Japanese offensive.

Maybe if the Allies wait until mid-44 more often we'll start seeing a lot of games with Japan attacking the Soviets or trashing Australian industry and resources in in mid-to-late 42.

Either of these options can lead to massive VP gains and make the long climb back very difficult for the Allies if they start late.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

Hartwig,

I understand your concern about these deep strike attacks by the Allies. Canoerebel (Dan) has done it twice now. The first vs John 3rd was after KB had been significantly weakened. The second was against Obvert to a place and in a game where there is NO stacking limits.



The lack of stacking limits makes this especially enticing in this game, which is a kind of hybrid old/new system, with updated AA and other benefits but no SL. it would be very different if SL were involved for sure.

This has been Dan's MO for a long time though, and it's something that isn't entirely new to the game. There has long been a concern that if Japan is strong, don't engage them in historical ways in theatres that don't allow a strat-bombing option.

I don't subscribe to this as I've played Japan enough to know that the oil/fuel and supply used to fight far from home and early in the game does make these theatres a strategic method of both weakening and gaining VPs from the Japanese.

quote:


I wish there was a sound way to stop or at least slow down these deep strikes, but I don't know if there is one. The Allies don't have overwhelming numbers in CV and CVLs, but the fact they get over 40 CVEs in '44 allows most to become just fighter decks and give them such a powerful CAP over their fleet.

Why should the Japanese be able to stop this? It's historically viable and precedented. The only problem in game is that weather is not as dire as it actually was up North. The Allies would never have landed in the Kuriles or Sakhalin as a first strat bombing stop in the war as those places are just too socked in most of the year.

The Allies should be able to go deep and because they've gotten into range doesn't end the game or make it boring. A strat bombing campaign can be very challenging and these forward positions still have to be supported, opening opportunities for interdiction. If the LOC is not protected then Japan has an opportunity.

quote:


Japan needs a way to inflict damage and still keep a viable KB presence. In this mod, John decided to make the 2nd and 3rd gen George CV capable. So, there is no gap between the end of the A6 Zero and the A7 Sam lines where the Hellcat and then the 2nd gen Corsairs rule the air over CVs. Does this tilt the game in favor of Japan? I don't know yet. But I do know that due to the losses to the Allied fleet in '42 and early '43, this game 'could' go into late '45 or '46.

Due to the low level of activity in this game right now, I'm now having my CV based fighters with high skills in Air and Straf, but only mid-50s in overall experience now train in Gnd. This third skill has already increased overall experience by up to 10 points.

I hope this and other preparations will keep Japan competitive in the months ahead.

Michael


Japan can play Scen 1 PDU-off and still make it into 45, and doesn't need Georges on the KB or zillions of CD gun regiments to do it.

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43 Oct 30 & 31: The month goes out with a whimper.

China:
Chungking - Just my 120 plus Helens bombing the AF both days.

Notes:
Ki-84b Frank to 7/44

The damaged CV Soryu [26-1-5(1)-0] leaves Tulagi with the last now undamaged warship, BB Kirishima, for Truk. 6 Kagero Class DDs are in TFs that will head to Japan for their 10/43 upgrades. The other 3 Kongo Class BCs along with more overdue upgrades of DDs will join them from Kusaie Island.

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43 Nov 1 & 2: I'm glad Brian's subs can hit only slow moving merchants ships and not fast moving warships.

Subs:
Finback claims another victim off Toyohara. 2 TT hits put an xAK down.

CVs:
quote:

Sub attack near Feni Islands at 107,127 (2 due SE of Rabaul)

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu
BC Kirishima
CL Niyodo
CL Yubari
CL Noshiro
CL Kinugasa
CL Aoba
DD Hatsukaze
DD Mazabuki
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Shiranui
DD Maikaze

Allied Ships
SS Pegase

SS Pegase launches 7 torpedoes at CV Soryu
DD Mazabuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatsuyuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Shiranui attacking submerged sub ....
DD Maikaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Mazabuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Hatsuyuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Shiranui attacking submerged sub ....
DD Maikaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Mazabuki fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Hatsuyuki fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Shiranui fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Maikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Maikaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Maikaze is out of ASW ammo
DD Maikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Maikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

GULP!! Not a good thing to see first thing this morning before I've finished my coffee.


SS Bommerang fires 2 TT at a DD in TF after moving another 2 hexes NE, but misses.

China:
Chungking - Over 120 Helens hit AF both days. The troops from the "Siege of Sian" have been marching to the area around the base OR have been ordered to march and then RR to Shanghai for deployments outside China.

Shanghai - Multiple Transport TFs have arrived here and one will arrive on 3rd.

Kashgar - 78 4e bombers from India hit my troops here on 1st.

CenPac:
quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Arorae at 138,137 (3 SSE of Tabiteuea)

Japanese Ships
DD Tarakaze
DD Raikaze
DD Karakaze
DD Shimakaze
DD Yuzuki
DD Mochizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Satsuki
DD Kisaragi

Allied Ships
AVD San Pablo, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Port hits 27
Port supply hits 4

DD Tarakaze firing at Arorae
DD Raikaze firing at Arorae
DD Karakaze firing at Arorae
DD Shimakaze firing at Arorae
DD Yuzuki firing at Arorae
DD Mochizuki firing at Arorae
DD Nagatsuki firing at Arorae
DD Kikuzuki firing at Arorae
DD Satsuki firing at Arorae
DD Kisaragi firing at Arorae

They will head back to Tulagi to recover minor damage and replenish before going back. These are Japan's 37 and 39 knot DDs.


Notes:
I fly off the air groups from CV Soryu while doing orders just in case there are more TT fired over the next few days before she arrives at Truk for full repairs.

I go through all my highly experienced land based George groups to harvest fighter pilots.

By mid-Nov I'll get my last CarDiv (2 heavy CVs & CVL). The 2 CVs are Shokaku-kai Class (see screenshot) and Aso Class CVL. I'll need those highly experienced fighter pilots.

KB's Jills are now almost all training in ASW.

Kusaie Island goes to Port 3 and will expand to 4.





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FPs - During my usual beginning of the month monitoring of pilots and training, I see many of my FPs on warships having fatigue levels over 200. I order them to rest. I feel those with high fatigue will be more susceptible to ops loses and possible highly trained pilots being killed. Am I just being paranoid, or does this happen to you to?

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FPs - During my usual beginning of the month monitoring of pilots and training, I see many of my FPs on warships having fatigue levels over 200. I order them to rest. I feel those with high fatigue will be more susceptible to ops loses and possible highly trained pilots being killed. Am I just being paranoid, or does this happen to you to?


Did you mean over 20?

For the planes I usually run them at 50 mission, 20 train and 30 rest. They usually then stay in a reasonable range, but for me 20 is not too high to keep going. Around 40 is when I'd like to stand them down.

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quote:

Did you mean over 20?


Not a typo...there were a few warships that I had accidentally left at 100% NavS. They have fatigue over 200.

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For the planes I usually run them at 50 mission, 20 train and 30 rest. They usually then stay in a reasonable range, but for me 20 is not too high to keep going. Around 40 is when I'd like to stand them down.


That is what I typically set my FP groups at or very close to those setting.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/11/2018 12:58:27 PM   
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43 Nov 3 & 4: Back to just China.

Subs:
Skate is hit once by depth charges. Probably enough to just send her home for repairs.

CVs:
CV Soryu arrives safely at Truk. It will take 23 days to repair.

China:
Chungking - just the 125 Helens bombing the AF daily. <yawn>
Kashgar - 90 4e bombers hit the troops hard as they inflict 734 casualties.

Notes:
A7M2 Sam to 2/44. Once it advances to 1/44, I'll move some to the M3 version and expand others to larger size.

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quote:

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quote:

Did you mean over 20?


Not a typo...there were a few warships that I had accidentally left at 100% NavS. They have fatigue over 200.

quote:

For the planes I usually run them at 50 mission, 20 train and 30 rest. They usually then stay in a reasonable range, but for me 20 is not too high to keep going. Around 40 is when I'd like to stand them down.


That is what I typically set my FP groups at or very close to those setting.


Haha! Okay, then yes, that would worry me a bit.

I've always used Jakes as expendable assets though. It's one of the things I choose not to micromanage as Japan, sine there are so many other things to focus on. I'll occasionally just have a look through to see if groups are low on planes or pilots, then let them go back to their business.

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quote:

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quote:

Did you mean over 20?


Not a typo...there were a few warships that I had accidentally left at 100% NavS. They have fatigue over 200.

quote:

For the planes I usually run them at 50 mission, 20 train and 30 rest. They usually then stay in a reasonable range, but for me 20 is not too high to keep going. Around 40 is when I'd like to stand them down.


That is what I typically set my FP groups at or very close to those setting.


I practically always set my ship FPs to 100% naval search, and often at extended range. I've never seen anything like fatigue like that. I've never seen fatigue at 100 let alone 200.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/14/2018 9:45:48 AM   
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43 Nov 5 thru 8: As I wrote and got in reply from Brian, "Same Same."

Subs:
Finback is 2 east of Toyohara and sinks another PB. There is a significant reef of Japanese ships sunk in this hex and the one to the south.
I-175 is sunk at Tanna. I think I need to keep my subs out of ALL coastal hexes going forward.

China:
Chungking - About 125 Helens bomb daily, weather permitting
Kashgar - Allied 4e bombers hit my troops. Up to 48 B-24s with over 50 Brit Liberators hit them, but most now have forts at 3.

Notes:
In response to my "same, same" email, Brian said that it will be mainly China and subs vs ASW until he is ready. So my readers are going to see little action in this AAR for some time.

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43 Nov 9 thru 11: This will get me caught up as it's 'same, same.'

Subs:
Nothing hit by either side for three days. I'll take that as a victory.

China:
"Same, Same" - Just Chungking and Kashgar. However, troops are ordered to now march into Chungking directly.

Notes:
Ki-84r Frank to 11/45 (2 fully repaired factories at work here)

Ki-84b Frank to 6/44 (4 fully repaired factories at work here)

Ki-100-I Tony to 9/44 (just one factory)

A7M3 Sam to 7/45 (two factories here)

Screenshot - lots of brigades coming in the next few days. Where to send them??




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Chungking - What to do about this base?!? The Allies have 195 LCUs there and about 860,000 troops which means a lot of mouths to feed. In earlier posting, Pax and others said they took control of all hexsides but one to allow a retreat path. I have 25 full strength divisions plus plenty of artillery within two hexes and almost everyone 100% prepped. The SL for Chungking is 160,000. Do I attempt to take the base or just take control of ALL hexsides and keep bombing the AF?




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