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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/20/2018 7:24:18 PM

obvert

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Anytime you get a clear strike where you hurt the Allies for nothing sunk or even damaged in return, you gotta be happy! Well done!

He has some choices to make for tomorrow. Keep the DS around and risk it all, or give up a few fast BB, a CV and a CVL.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/20/2018 8:00:35 PM

Mike Solli

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Ouchie! What are you aircraft losses? How much power for tomorrow's attack?

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/20/2018 8:17:36 PM

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Something seems wrong with those carrier capable modded Georges. Only 26 lost out of 150+ escort flying twice against 200+ CAP predominantly Hellcats? Pilot quality is not an issue for the Allies in the end of 43 I believe, so that looks a bit too strong, me being a JFB.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/20/2018 9:17:17 PM

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quote:

Ouchie! What are you aircraft losses? How much power for tomorrow's attack?

Go back and look, Mike. I posted a screen shot of Air Losses.

I had some Jill and Judy groups almost totally wiped out. Some near by Judy and Jill groups were flown out to the CVs to allow some degree of strike capability so I can pursue.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/20/2018 9:21:37 PM

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Something seems wrong with those carrier capable modded Georges. Only 26 lost out of 150+ escort flying twice against 200+ CAP predominantly Hellcats? Pilot quality is not an issue for the Allies in the end of 43 I believe, so that looks a bit too strong, me being a JFB.

There wasn't enough A2A between fighters for my liking, so the Judy/Jill took the losses hard. Yes, there are two versions of the George that can be placed on CVs, but the Allies do get more Hellcats and Corsairs in this mod. I was surprised to still see Wildcats being used.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/20/2018 9:25:35 PM

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quote:

Anytime you get a clear strike where you hurt the Allies for nothing sunk or even damaged in return, you gotta be happy! Well done!

He has some choices to make for tomorrow. Keep the DS around and risk it all, or give up a few fast BB, a CV and a CVL.

I'm hoping that Essex was hurt enough with the Ammo Explosion and maybe some BBs are at risk. I cannot believe that KB escaped without any damage to her ships.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/20/2018 9:29:45 PM

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Allies had way too much CAP at 5k and 10k and not nearly enough at 15k and 20k. Have you been attacking him very low?

Thanks for the kind words, Jeff.

I've been attacking between 10k and 14k for the whole war. Fighters at 14k, DBs at 13k, and TBs at 12k. This is Brian's first game to get to '43, let alone the whole war. I'm almost to my longest game which was to Apr '44 before my opponent quit (RL issues).

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/20/2018 11:21:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

Something seems wrong with those carrier capable modded Georges. Only 26 lost out of 150+ escort flying twice against 200+ CAP predominantly Hellcats? Pilot quality is not an issue for the Allies in the end of 43 I believe, so that looks a bit too strong, me being a JFB.

Japan probably did have an edge in pilot quality, but the CAP was primarily set too low to be super effective.

However Michael divined it, he had perfect settings both on offense and defense. Impressive!

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/21/2018 1:56:57 AM

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A slaughter against massive CAPs, but as the KB was unscathed and caused major damage to a CV, CVL and 3 BBs he could be in serious trouble if you have enough to go after him for one more day. He might have to cut his loses and sacrifice a few ships to save the rest or just risk another toe to toe day and hope for better results. Nice to see you able to best the DS. Looking forward to round two as the heavy weights go toe to toe , maybe.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/21/2018 1:54:40 PM

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43 Nov 26: The "Battle off Baker Island" rages on....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 26, 43
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Baker Island at 150,137, Range 21,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Atago, Shell hits 2
CA Maya
CA Chokai
DD Arashio
DD Natsugumo
DD Yamagumo, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 1
DD Arare, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Samidare
DD Yamakaze
DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Umikaze

Allied Ships
CV Lexington
CVL Jacksonville
CA Indianapolis, Shell hits 1
CA Northampton, Shell hits 1
CL Cleveland
DD Fletcher
DD Abbot
DD Ammen
DD Aulick
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Boyd
DD Braine
DD Brownson
DD Delphy
DD Woodbury
DD S.P. Lee

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 26,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 21,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 21,000 yards
CA Maya engages CA Indianapolis at 21,000 yards
CA Atago engages CA Indianapolis at 21,000 yards
CA Takao engages CA Indianapolis at 21,000 yards
CL Cleveland engages CA Maya at 21,000 yards
CL Cleveland engages DD Kawakaze at 21,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Woodbury at 21,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Woodbury at 21,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards
CL Cleveland engages CA Chokai at 23,000 yards
CA Maya engages CA Indianapolis at 23,000 yards
CA Atago engages CA Northampton at 23,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages CA Chokai at 23,000 yards
CA Maya engages CL Cleveland at 23,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Kawakaze at 23,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Woodbury at 23,000 yards
CA Maya engages DD Boyd at 23,000 yards
CA Maya engages DD Charles Ausburne at 23,000 yards
CL Cleveland engages DD Natsugumo at 23,000 yards
CL Cleveland engages DD Arashio at 23,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Fletcher at 23,000 yards
Range increases to 25,000 yards
CA Takao engages CV Lexington at 25,000 yards
CA Atago engages CA Northampton at 25,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Arare at 25,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Boyd at 25,000 yards
CA Maya engages DD Charles Ausburne at 25,000 yards
CL Cleveland engages DD Natsugumo at 25,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards
CV Lexington , CVL Jacksonville screened from combat
- escorted by DD S.P. Lee , DD Woodbury , DD Delphy ,
DD Brownson , DD Braine , DD Boyd ,
DD Charles Ausburne , DD Aulick , DD Ammen ,
DD Abbot , DD Fletcher
CA Chokai engages CV Lexington at 26,000 yards
CA Chokai engages CA Indianapolis at 26,000 yards
CA Chokai engages CL Cleveland at 26,000 yards
CA Takao engages CV Lexington at 26,000 yards
CL Cleveland engages DD Kawakaze at 26,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Asagumo at 26,000 yards
CV Lexington screened from combat
CL Cleveland engages CA Chokai at 26,000 yards
CA Maya engages CA Northampton at 26,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages CA Chokai at 26,000 yards
CA Atago engages CL Cleveland at 26,000 yards
CA Northampton engages DD Kawakaze at 26,000 yards
CA Northampton engages DD Yamakaze at 26,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Brownson at 26,000 yards
CL Cleveland engages DD Asagumo at 26,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Yamagumo at 26,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Arashio at 26,000 yards
Range increases to 27,000 yards
CA Chokai engages CA Northampton at 27,000 yards
CA Maya engages CA Northampton at 27,000 yards
CA Takao engages CA Indianapolis at 27,000 yards
CA Chokai engages CL Cleveland at 27,000 yards
CA Northampton engages DD Kawakaze at 27,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Woodbury at 27,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Natsugumo at 27,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Ammen at 27,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Fletcher at 27,000 yards
Range increases to 28,000 yards
CA Maya engages CV Lexington at 28,000 yards
CA Northampton engages CA Maya at 28,000 yards
CA Northampton engages CA Atago at 28,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages CA Takao at 28,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Umikaze at 28,000 yards
CA Northampton engages DD Yamakaze at 28,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Delphy at 28,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Asagumo at 28,000 yards
CA Maya engages DD Aulick at 28,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Abbot at 28,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Fletcher at 28,000 yards
Range increases to 30,000 yards
CV Lexington , CVL Jacksonville screened from combat
- escorted by DD S.P. Lee , DD Woodbury , DD Delphy ,
DD Brownson , DD Braine , DD Boyd ,
DD Charles Ausburne , DD Aulick , DD Ammen ,
DD Abbot , DD Fletcher
CA Chokai engages CA Northampton at 30,000 yards
CA Maya engages CV Lexington at 30,000 yards
CA Atago engages CV Lexington at 30,000 yards
Range closes to 29,000 yards
CV Lexington , CVL Jacksonville screened from combat
- escorted by DD S.P. Lee , DD Woodbury , DD Delphy ,
DD Brownson , DD Braine , DD Boyd ,
DD Charles Ausburne , DD Aulick , DD Ammen ,
DD Abbot , DD Fletcher
CA Chokai engages CV Lexington at 29,000 yards
CA Maya engages CV Lexington at 29,000 yards
CA Atago engages CV Lexington at 29,000 yards
CA Takao engages CV Lexington at 29,000 yards
CA Northampton engages DD Samidare at 29,000 yards
Range increases to 30,000 yards
CV Lexington screened from combat
- escorted by DD S.P. Lee , DD Woodbury , DD Delphy ,
DD Brownson , DD Braine , DD Boyd ,
DD Charles Ausburne , DD Aulick , DD Ammen ,
DD Abbot , DD Fletcher
CA Maya engages CV Lexington at 30,000 yards
CA Atago engages CV Lexington at 30,000 yards
CA Maya engages CV Lexington at 30,000 yards
CA Northampton engages CA Maya at 30,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages CA Atago at 30,000 yards
CA Takao engages CA Northampton at 30,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Umikaze at 30,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Woodbury at 30,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Delphy at 30,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Brownson at 30,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Braine at 30,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Boyd at 30,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Charles Ausburne at 30,000 yards
CA Northampton engages DD Natsugumo at 30,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Ammen at 30,000 yards
Range closes to 29,000 yards
CA Takao engages CV Lexington at 29,000 yards
CA Maya engages CA Northampton at 29,000 yards
CA Takao engages CA Indianapolis at 29,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Kawakaze at 29,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Samidare at 29,000 yards
CA Northampton engages DD Asagumo at 29,000 yards
CA Northampton engages DD Yamagumo at 29,000 yards
CA Indianapolis engages DD Arashio at 29,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Abbot at 29,000 yards
CA Maya engages DD Fletcher at 29,000 yards
Task forces break off...

Even since I player John 3rd in G'canal scenario just after AE came out, I almost always have my CVs "follow" a SC TF. He sent in his Kongos back then and severely damaged my 2 CV TFs. I was rubbing my hands in glee when this popped up. Not happy with the result, but his DDs did their job.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Baker Island at 152,137

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms - weather not on my side, again.

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 76
D4Y2 Judy x 52
D4Y3 Judy x 66
N1K4-A George x 175

Allied aircraft = 479 plane CAP
F4F-3 Wildcat x 78
F4F-4 Wildcat x 184
FM-1 Wildcat x 36
F4U-1A Corsair x 22
F6F-3 Hellcat x 159

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 19 destroyed, 12 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y2 Judy: 11 destroyed, 12 damaged
D4Y2 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 27 destroyed, 12 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 4 destroyed by flak
N1K4-A George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Tangier, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CVE Copahee
CVE Altamaha, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CVE Chenango, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CVE Chandeleur
CV Bunker Hill - plenty of Judy/Jill appeared over this ship, but none were able to hit her....damn!!
CA Salt Lake City
CVL Monterey
CL Denver
CVL Belleau Wood, Torpedo hits 2
CVE Moffat
CVE Suwannee, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Nassau, Torpedo hits 1
CVE Hammondsport
CA Baltimore
CVE Long Island, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CVE Sangamon, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Pocomoke, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
13 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
15 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
7 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
4 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
2 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
4 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
7 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
3 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
3 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
8 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
7 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
9 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
2 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
8 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-9 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
8 planes vectored on to bombers
VMO-251 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
VF-1 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-2 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-10 with F6F-3 Hellcat (8 airborne, 24 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
VF-18 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 13 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-23 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
VF-24 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-26 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-35 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VRF-1F with F4F-4 Wildcat (8 airborne, 19 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VRF-2F with F4F-4 Wildcat (8 airborne, 19 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
VRF-3F with F4F-4 Wildcat (8 airborne, 19 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VF-101 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-102 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-105 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
VF-103 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-104 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes

Ammo storage explosion on CVE Altamaha
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Long Island
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring a Bogue class CVE
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Chenango
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Long Island

Plenty of CVEs are present to add to DS CAP and targets for my Judy & Jill. I may get lucky and a few ships were sunk, but I'm not holding my breathe over it. Again, not enough A2A between fighters before the Judy & Jill are attacked.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Baker Island at 150,136

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 41
N1K4-A George x 115

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Hiryu-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
Shokaku-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
Zuikaku-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
Ryujo-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
Ryukaku-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
Renkaku-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
Taiho-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
Aso-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
Shinryu-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
Unryu-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
Tokachi-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
Kushiro-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
Kaimon-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
Taikaku-1 with N1K4-A George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Baker Island at 152,137

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 14

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 77
F4F-4 Wildcat x 173
FM-1 Wildcat x 35
F4U-1A Corsair x 22
F6F-3 Hellcat x 154

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VF-9 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
VMO-251 with F4U-1A Corsair (3 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
VF-1 with F6F-3 Hellcat (3 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
VF-2 with F6F-3 Hellcat (14 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
14 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
VF-10 with F6F-3 Hellcat (8 airborne, 20 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
VF-18 with F6F-3 Hellcat (6 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
VF-23 with F6F-3 Hellcat (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
VF-24 with F6F-3 Hellcat (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
VF-26 with F6F-3 Hellcat (12 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Raid is overhead
VF-35 with F4F-4 Wildcat (7 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (7 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (11 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
VRF-1F with F4F-4 Wildcat (5 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
VRF-2F with F4F-4 Wildcat (6 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 81 minutes
VF-101 with F6F-3 Hellcat (3 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
VF-102 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
VF-105 with F4F-3 Wildcat (5 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
VF-103 with F4F-3 Wildcat (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
VF-104 with F4F-3 Wildcat (9 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 14180.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
CLV F-2 with F6F-3 Hellcat (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Baker Island at 152,137

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 30
D4Y2 Judy x 25
D4Y3 Judy x 14
N1K4-A George x 174

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 40
F4F-4 Wildcat x 127
FM-1 Wildcat x 37
F4U-1A Corsair x 23
F6F-3 Hellcat x 161

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 16 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y2 Judy: 11 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 9 destroyed
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
N1K4-A George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Hammondsport
CVE Nassau
CVE Suwannee

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
1 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
1 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
1 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-9 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
VMO-251 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
VF-1 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
VF-2 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
VF-10 with F6F-3 Hellcat (8 airborne, 24 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
8 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-18 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
VF-23 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VF-24 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-26 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VRF-1F with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 18 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VRF-3F with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 18 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
VF-101 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
VF-102 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
VF-105 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
VF-103 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
CLV F-2 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VMF-111 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VMF-112 with FM-1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes

Less than 10 Judy & Jill make it through.

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Sub attack near Toyohara at 126,46

Japanese Ships
PC PB-70, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage SUNK
PC PB-69

Allied Ships
SS Finback

SS Finback launches 2 torpedoes at PC PB-70
Finback diving deep ....
PC PB-69 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC PB-69 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC PB-69 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC PB-69 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC PB-69 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Notes:
Air Losses are heavy for Japan...226 (109 Judy, 81 Jill, and just 9 George) vs 39A.

Screenshot - A part of KB is highlighted to the west (over 400 planes worth) and NEVER participated in these clash. I had 9 CVs & 4 CVLs involved.

KB and Company are ordered back to Truk. I went through my non-KB based DB and TB groups harvesting their most experienced pilots.

The question for my readers...Was it worth it? Did I buy myself more time?? I don't know if I sunk anything, but the shipyard at Pearl will be busy for some time.

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Of course it was worth it, silly.

These results have to terrify the Allies.

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True professor Lowpe. And he didn't see the other 7 CVs and 7 CVLs that are part of KB, but were not part of the action.

Question: How do player use CV Hiyo and Junyo? I have some slow CV/CVLs (below 30 knots). Do they still belong with KB or are they separate?

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/21/2018 5:49:45 PM

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It is always a tough call. If you keep them part of the KB, you limit your max speed range. If you don't keep them, your KB punch can be lowered by 25 - 40% (depending upon the speed cutoff you choose) and where in the game you are and what CV's you have accelerated/converted/lost

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Junyo and Hiyo are the flagships of MKB.

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quote:

The question for my readers...Was it worth it? Did I buy myself more time?? I don't know if I sunk anything, but the shipyard at Pearl will be busy for some time.

Absolutely.

You nearly won a watch with the SCTF engagement on the Allied carriers. Just a shame it was fast flat tops instead of the CVE's. They die like flies from battle damage; I've even had the E-class ships sink a couple in the late-game.

Looking at the combat report, I reckon the Altamaha is gone. The Long Island, Pocomoke and Belleau Wood stand a decent chance of sinking en-route to a safe harbor.

It's an unfair VP exchange, but consider the larger strategic picture: you've managed to trade assets that are very replaceable (planes and pilots) for Allied assets that are less so (CVE's). Granted, the Allies get CVE's by the dozen, but there's more Japanese planes than Allied CVE's!

Just don't lose the KB, and turn every island invasion into a fight like this. Decisive battle is a pipe-dream, it's all about attrition.

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Decisive battle is a pipe-dream, it's all about attrition.

As a Japanese player, I totally agree with this comment. If I can kill off a few APAs here and there with little to no loss, I'm a happy camper. I'll try not to engage the Allied CVs with my CVs unless it's a 3:1 advantage in decks.

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43 Nov 27 & 28: KB & DS both retire towards safer waters

CVs:
DS was seen at 11 east of Baker Island on 27th and then off NavS on 28th.

KB is seen in screen shot. She is headed back to Truk for R&R.

China:
Chungking - Over 190 Helens hit the AF both days. Troops are marching through and once my overstacking ends, I'll start ground bombardments.

Kashgar - Alled 4e bombers hit my troops both days.

Notes:
Screen shot shows two things. Current position of KB and what warships are due upgrades in Dec 43. The 4 CAs are leaving Port Hedland for Soerabaja. I'm thinking since it will take some time to rebuild my shattered DB & TB groups to send these ships up to Japan for upgrades (25 days). So KB would be weakened until late Jan 44. I have another large group due upgrades in Apr 44.

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mind_messing
Decisive battle is a pipe-dream, it's all about attrition.

As a Japanese player, I totally agree with this comment. If I can kill off a few APAs here and there with little to no loss, I'm a happy camper. I'll try not to engage the Allied CVs with my CVs unless it's a 3:1 advantage in decks.

I'm 4:1 ... the IJ decks are so much smaller and the battle damage parties don't seem to exist. Lost too many CV's to one hit over the years ...

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mind_messing
Decisive battle is a pipe-dream, it's all about attrition.

As a Japanese player, I totally agree with this comment. If I can kill off a few APAs here and there with little to no loss, I'm a happy camper. I'll try not to engage the Allied CVs with my CVs unless it's a 3:1 advantage in decks.

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Notes:
Screen shot shows two things. Current position of KB and what warships are due upgrades in Dec 43. The 4 CAs are leaving Port Hedland for Soerabaja. I'm thinking since it will take some time to rebuild my shattered DB & TB groups to send these ships up to Japan for upgrades (25 days). So KB would be weakened until late Jan 44. I have another large group due upgrades in Apr 44.

Painful as it is, you gotta do those upgrades ... at least in stock. If this is like stock, then the AA and radar upgrades are well worth the month of down time.

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Pax,

I've been pretty OCD when it comes to upgrades regardless of which side I play. Right now the 4 Kongos and most of the Kagero Class DDs at in Japan finishing up their upgrades. Some of the "E" Class are due and will make their way to a port for their 12/43 upgrades. The ships in the screen shot will stop at Truk briefly before heading to Japan. Some of my Judy and Jill groups have zero planes, just pilots.

You will be getting the 1/44 turn in a few weeks. I need to decide what to do with various R&D factories as a model come to the end (Judy, Jill, etc) in early '44.

I'm a long way from having to use kamikazes, but I need to do something at some point.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

quote:

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Notes:
Screen shot shows two things. Current position of KB and what warships are due upgrades in Dec 43. The 4 CAs are leaving Port Hedland for Soerabaja. I'm thinking since it will take some time to rebuild my shattered DB & TB groups to send these ships up to Japan for upgrades (25 days). So KB would be weakened until late Jan 44. I have another large group due upgrades in Apr 44.

Painful as it is, you gotta do those upgrades ... at least in stock. If this is like stock, then the AA and radar upgrades are well worth the month of down time.

Actually, it isn't painful to do the upgrades, just suspense laden. If the ships are upgrading safely, you know they won't be sunk!

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43 Nov 29 thru Dec 3: KB makes port and the "Siege of Chungking" truly begins.

Subs:

CVs:
KB reaches Truk on 3rd. Lots and lots of clicking to move pilots in and start to fill up depleted air groups. Ouch!!

China:
Kashgar - 3 of 5 days see Allied heavies bomb my troops

Chungking - 2 of 5 days of bombing AF as weather wins the other 3 days.
1st -

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 134124 troops, 1378 guns, 954 vehicles, Assault Value = 4362

Defending force 555105 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16415

Allied ground losses:
5049 casualties reported
Squads: 318 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

2nd -

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 134166 troops, 1378 guns, 954 vehicles, Assault Value = 4365

Defending force 550269 troops, 122 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16071

Allied ground losses:
4577 casualties reported
Squads: 243 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 36 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

3rd -

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 134148 troops, 1378 guns, 954 vehicles, Assault Value = 4363

Defending force 546886 troops, 121 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15867

Allied ground losses:
2641 casualties reported
Squads: 250 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 64 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Notes:
I'll keep just ground bombardments attacks at Chungking until results lessen. Allied supply situation seems to be very low as I went all 3 turns without any casualties.

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Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)...

Aww, look at those points rolling! How much supply does one bombardment consume?

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/23/2018 8:04:18 PM

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Don't be afraid of large IJA casualties at Chungkingrad! It's an opportunity to buy out good IJA divisions on the cheap.

If they suffer heavy losses in the battles, they cost less PP to change command. So if you get a few units trashed, get a discount on changing them to a unrestricted command and ship them off to a Pacific Island retreat with plenty of supply to get that well deserved R&R.

It's the Japanese version of the Eastern Front - you do your time in hell and hope for a transfer to easy garrison duty in France.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/24/2018 12:23:30 AM

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I have 5 infantry divisions at Neikiang (2 hexes west) and 2 more within two hexes of Chungking. Another 9 are on the road to Hong Kong and/or Shanghai. Some are already headed for bases (Guam, Horn Island, Palembang, etc.). So, I can rotate in fresh divisions easily.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/24/2018 8:34:03 AM

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A bit late to the party, but yes, those strikes are completely worth it. And whenn the several CVEs do sink that means a lot of planes go down too. You've really limited his fast BB availability for a good while, making the next strike that much more effective with all of that AA gone.

Get subs in the lanes to PH and you might just pick off something else too.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/24/2018 2:16:55 PM

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I think in severely overstacked hexes, you might very well be better off deliberately attacking, rather than reducing the overstack because of the overall disruption malus on the defenders.

If you have enough forces present -- engineers, and especially tanks and artillery to reduce the level of forts...then I think delaying the attack might be a mistake. I relied upon tanks to knock the forts down and engineers in the Divisions. Smaller dedicated engineers would simply get destroyed in the attack.

Definitely only attack with full infantry divisions no regiments or mixed brigades.

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/24/2018 3:33:24 PM

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In my edition of "Art of the Siege" I have learned that ONLY full divisions are allowed to attack when it's going to a major siege.

I was going to bombard for a few weeks, but since Dec 7th is almost here...

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RE: "It's the economy, stupid" BTSL NY59G (J)... - 2/25/2018 12:33:23 PM

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43 Dec 4 thru 7: The "Siege of Chungking" and rebuilding of KB.

Subs:

CVs:
KB is repairing at Truk and depleted air groups take in both pilots and planes.
6 CVs and 2 CVLs end up 2 days south of Japan by 7th (coming home for upgrades).

China:
Kashgar - Almost 100 4e 'beasties' bomb troop when weather permits.

Chungking -
4th -

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 134129 troops, 1378 guns, 954 vehicles, Assault Value = 4362

Defending force 544086 troops, 117 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15679

Allied ground losses:
3098 casualties reported
Squads: 225 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 64 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

5th -

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 134164 troops, 1378 guns, 954 vehicles, Assault Value = 4364

Defending force 540969 troops, 116 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15554

Allied ground losses:
5096 casualties reported
Squads: 221 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

6th -

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 134156 troops, 1378 guns, 954 vehicles, Assault Value = 4364

Defending force 537543 troops, 115 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15325

Allied ground losses:
4504 casualties reported
Squads: 297 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 36 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

7th - To celebrate two years, we have our first deliberate attack...

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 137287 troops, 1378 guns, 974 vehicles, Assault Value = 4365

Defending force 533484 troops, 115 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15056

Japanese adjusted assault: 2318

Allied adjusted defense: 3389

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3522 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 619 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled
Guns lost 31 (2 destroyed, 29 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
68485 casualties reported
Squads: 2359 destroyed, 413 disabled
Non Combat: 1955 destroyed, 175 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 27 (25 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units destroyed 14

Most of the divisions have around 30 plus squads disabled, but with high disruption and fatigue across them all. They are divided, but the worst two are ordered to march 2 hexes for R&R while fresh troops march here. No fort reduction.

Notes:
A7M3 Sam to 5/45

C6N1 Myrt to 7/44

Ki-43-IV Oscar to 8/45

N1K5-J George to 6/44

China has been a major source of VP due to the number of troops destroyed. See screen shot!

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