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Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 3/7/2018 5:53:20 PM   
HaughtKarl

 

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Status: offline 		I had one hell of a time with this because no matter what I did to stay undetected the Iranians always found me without fail. It turns out there are 2 bottom fixed array's near both of the firing points that nabbed both of my boats if I traveled below the layer. The kicker is that the briefing didn't mention anything about the possibility of the Iranians having a SOSUS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I understand the need to balance mismatched forces to give the AI a fighting chance, but I'm also cool with mismatched scenarios where one side outclasses the other.
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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 3/7/2018 6:50:35 PM   
Rory Noonan

 

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Status: offline 		If enough people are having issues with the difficulty I will make some changes to make it easier. Difficulty of this scenario never came up in Beta testing; to be honest my only concern was that it wouldn't be challenging enough. I feel like it's at the right level at the moment.

Bottom fixed arrays are not the exclusive domain of the US SOSUS network; their use goes back as far as World War 1 and they are of varying efficacy.

Spoiler:
You can just cruise in to about one convergence zone from the launch point, then slow down to about 10 kts and stay around the layer. Once on station, launch your missiles and then you can run away at flank if you like.



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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 3/8/2018 12:39:51 PM   
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Bottom fixed arrays are not the exclusive domain of the US SOSUS network; their use goes back as far as World War 1 and they are of varying efficacy.


Just for the sake of curiosity, do the iranians have some type of bottom fixed array as presentend here? Or is this a fictional one put for scenario equilibrium?

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 3/9/2018 8:27:13 PM   
Rory Noonan

 

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Status: offline 		Added for balance, but the tech is pretty ubiquitous (if you have a sonobouy whats to stop you altering the power supply and mooring it somewhere?)

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 3/14/2018 12:02:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		So... I've run into the same issue (did not discover the underwater array, but how you do that is another question)but if it is just an array, what kills my boats? I show no contacts--especially the Ashland (?)--and the Miami's contacts are accounted for. Does this array have weapons? Both boats are "killed" by an underground explosion at 250+ feet according to the log, but my boat is at max depth 900+ feet. So what's killing it? A mine?

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 3/14/2018 2:07:02 AM   
Rory Noonan

 

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Status: offline 		My money is on depth charges being dropped from helos

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 3/18/2018 12:22:49 PM   
Puciek

 

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Status: offline 		I have to admit that initially, challenge of this scenario was quite daunting to me, I struggled to even get to the launch points on time (and eventually figured out that there must be something well in the deeps that are spotting me, so stuck to inside the layer, and lowered speed from cruise when got close to contacts). Then there was the issue of helis, which came right after ahsenville and was always able to track it down (the under-layer flank approach didn't work because of the underwater surprise) so eventually on return leg set them on -486a alt and full flank, done!

It feels so satisfying to finally conquer it, after oh so many trials and errors :D. I am a submarine newbie, and those scenarios make a fantastic "tutorial" so far, though with a steep learning curve.

If I can have one suggestion, add a condition to not end the scenario, no matter what score, before the subs reach it back to safety if that's possible.

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SIDE: Iran
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LOSSES:
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3x AvGas (75k Liter Tank)
4x Bell 214A Huey Plus
4x C-130H Hercules
22x Su-24MK Fencer D
1x Ammo Shelter
1x AH-1J Sea Cobra
1x CH-47C Chinook


EXPENDITURES:
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18x MIM-23B I-HAWK
19x SA-6a Gainful [3M9]



SIDE: USN
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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12x UGM-109D Tomahawk Blk II TLAM
12x UGM-109C Tomahawk Blk II TLAM
6x UGM-109C Tomahawk Blk II TLAM



SIDE: Civilian
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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SIDE: Nature
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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SIDE: United States
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 8/5/2018 2:03:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rmwilsonjr

did not discover the underwater array, but how you do that is another question



So, how do we discover that there is a SOSUS array near the launch areas?


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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 8/5/2018 10:28:54 AM   
Rory Noonan

 

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ORIGINAL: Duck Doc


quote:

ORIGINAL: rmwilsonjr

did not discover the underwater array, but how you do that is another question



So, how do we discover that there is a SOSUS array near the launch areas?




It shouldn't be detectable in regular play; it's there to give Iran a fighting chance.

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 8/5/2018 3:02:48 PM   
Duck Doc


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Status: offline 		Understood but how did they (those above) discover the existence of the array at all?

Interesting scenario. Learned a bunch. I’ll run it over so I don’t win by dumb luck then on to Chicken Kiev. Loving this campaign!

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 8/6/2018 4:53:06 AM   
Rory Noonan

 

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ORIGINAL: Duck Doc

Understood but how did they (those above) discover the existence of the array at all?

Interesting scenario. Learned a bunch. I’ll run it over so I don’t win by dumb luck then on to Chicken Kiev. Loving this campaign!


Probably by opening the scenario in editor mode and snooping around

Glad you're enjoying it!

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 8/7/2018 2:43:16 AM   
Duck Doc


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Status: offline 		Got it. Thanks,

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 8/24/2018 11:29:42 PM   
smbrannan

 

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Status: offline 		The information about the underwater arrays sure explains a lot for me... I'm still a submarine rookie so this is a challenging scenario.

Does anyone have advice on targeting the Tomahawks or routing their paths? I try to launch them all at once and to avoid the obvious AA defenses but still almost all of them get destroyed approaching the target. What is the best way to go about this?

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 5/17/2019 8:35:38 PM   
pclaurent

 

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Status: offline 		I give up. After a dozen unsuccesful attempts, it's for me impossible to win even by following your spoiler step by step. Once on the laucnh zone, I launch my missiles. No matter if I start with the Miami or the Asheville, the latter is destroyed a few minutes later by a weapon not shown on the map. And during its escape the Miami is also attacked in deep immersion at a speed of 32 knots. Verdict: disaster... I recognize it is my first mission, but I think that it would be a good idea to make it a bit easier for casual users.

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 5/17/2019 10:08:18 PM   
Ancalagon451

 

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Status: offline 		Try moving within the layer.

I don't know how realistic it is, but it's a tactic that allowed me to survive more times than I can remember.

Ancalagon

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RE: Mission 2: Ground Pounders - 5/18/2019 12:07:52 PM   
pclaurent

 

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Status: offline 		You mean while traveling TO the launch point? Will try that

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