AcePylut
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut And if Japan had done a smash and grab in Jan '42, the US production would have ramped up even more than before. No it wouldn't have. It was already ramping up, as fast as possible, for total war. Maybe the US war machine could have been a bit more efficient - but it didn't need to be, so it wasn't. Historically, it was already marvelously efficient (at least relative to the rest of the world). But lots of things took time to get set up, and once set up they were already (historically) pumping matierale out as fast as they could. "He's already pulled over, he can't pull over any farther!" or "I'm givin' 'er all she's got, capt'n" Kinda like that. I totally disagree. We were no where close to having our economy in a despeate "total war" situation in WW2, unlike what was seen in Germany, Japan. Of course we dramatically outproduced them in aggregate, but we weren't at capacity like they were. quote:
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut As far as defending the WC against Japanese invasion if an invasion happened... well I think that if the invasion does happen, tons and tons of permanently restricted, static "Militia" units should be created... to represent the "old cowboy with a hunting rifle" that would defend his home, that Japan was "so scared of" when the idea of a WC invasion was floated around the IJN/IJA. The "militia" you're wanting to happen are supposed to be represented by the garrison requirements for bases. I'm not sure if all of the CONUS bases have garrison requirements, but I wouldn't be surprised if nearly all of them did and many of them would be substantial. As for the rest, you have the emergency reinforcements package. No, I'm not talking about government trained troops. I'm talking about the 60 year old wanna be cowboy with a lever action winchester. These guys. These guys are what Japan feared in an invasion of the US. That there'd be a "cowboy with a rifle behind every tree", and there would be. quote:
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut Also, again, as far as defending the WC against the Japanese, or Germans for that matter, we did that anyway. But the OP didn't. That's part of the point. WOuldn't have mattered anyway. quote:
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut My grandfather spent most of 1942 tearing up golf courses and installing AA units.... in Chicago, Illinois. (later he got shipped and fought in Germany). Needless to say, my grandfather (much like myself) did not have any patience for stupidity (he refers to Roosevelt as the "king idiot surrounded by a cabal of idiots"... and calls Poland the "pariah of nations, that will sell themselves to whoever gives them a better deal").... railed time and time again about the idiocy of "digging up golf courses to defend against aircraft that don't exist, and would never be able to reach Chicago by flying over the north pole. Yet another example of the clueless idiots in Washington"... Well that's just like, your opinion, man. And his. I wonder how helpful those airfields were for training, beyond just security. One of those airfields in Chicago eventually became O'Hare International Airport. It sure was mighty stupid of us to build that airport, wasn't it? He wasn't putting AA guns on airfields. He was putting them on golf courses. On the southwest side of Chicago. No where near anything of importance except some cornfields. The man was a genius. Spent most of his post WW2 career in "special weapons." He started in the military as a private, retired as a brigadier general. And he was no "politican suck-up perfumed prince type.". Eagles Don't Flock. That was his saying. quote:
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut So we were defending the US, all of it, against threats, both real and imagined. And if Portland's shipyard was "destroyed", it would be rebuilt. Quickly. Maybe. Probably. There would be intangibles and ramifications from an invasion like this one that would perhaps influence it being built somewhere else, like perhaps... I dunno, New Orleans or something. Gotta think about the logistics of it and all that steel. The big ol' river would be useful. *shrug* But see below.... The intangibles and ramifications would be that the US went into a "total war" economic setting, and every hill-billy-bobby-jack cowboy of any and every age would be marching to get them some Japs! quote:
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut At best I think the Japanese could hope for small delays in the ships coming "online".... but for all those ships to magically go "poof"? I don't buy it. This is the only part of the argument I agree with, but it's a game and there are abstractions. These abstractions are fine. Mitigating this consequence would be needlessly complicated (aside from Hans's suggestion of modifying the UI to make the player more aware, but I've already pointed out why that's not necessary and borderline impractical). It may be impractical to patch a game that's 10 years old, yeah,.... but that still doesn't make the original choice a 'good decision'
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