Under some definitions, this is an act of war. However, the "U.S. has formally lodged a diplomatic complaint, known as a demarche, with the Chinese government, requesting an investigation into the incident."
Technically unrelated but I will post this "news" here anyway.
Laser incident has been refuted as false accusation by Chinese official. This is also an expected response, yet it doesn't make laser pointers and laser rangefinders any less dangerous:
I think demands like that are not aimed at trade war, but real war.
If the demands included that every Chinese should pay the US 1000 dollars a year and that China should stop STEM education at their universities, it wouldnt look out of place. Might also add the demand that China should import million tons of Opium per year from US-owned poppy fields in Afghanistan for good measure...
Demands like these arent "negotiating". Demands like these are typically followed by an ultimatum and threat of all-out war.
Looks like "Made in China 2025" really is the bane to the Western world. Understandable, since the entire West is threatened to loose their lifelihoods and markets once China can churn out comparable high technology at cheaper prices due to state support enabled by China's political and economic system. China would truly be a Japan+USSR on steroids, unstoppable by US enforced Plaza Accords (because unlike Japan, China isnt occupied by US troops), unable to be brought down by the lack of it's own ecoomic growth and lack of consumer goods (because unlike the USSR, China's economy isnt just growing, but the individual chinese purchasing power is also growing)... The sum of all western fears.
Again, Ars has turns fully anti-Chinese attitude to the extreme, that trolls and downvoters are blanketing the comment section. We are living in a world to hurting each other technologically....... including in the internet:
If hacking is also count as war, then the trade war is too puny to compare with.
But think again, such attitude against China isn't shredded at all, even the US strategy was drawn attentions to Middle East since 2001. In 2002, USAWC published the reported about the post-911's tactical gains and strategic losses to China. As westerns believe the war on Middle East will remind China's 'actual' position in the world. Especially with this line:
Overall, the War on Terrorism has negated China’s foreign policy gains of the last decade, undermined its carefully crafted image as Asia’s only true great power, and energized the United States into playing a more assertive role internationally. While there is a broad consensus on crushing “the common scourge” of terrorism once and for all, serious differences exist between the United States and China (and others) on the ways and means of waging the War on Terrorism that could defeat the very objective of the war. Of all the major powers, China is the biggest loser because, unlike Russia, Japan, and India, it seems to be locked into a peer competitor relationship with the United States. Within a short period of six months, China’s world has been turned upside down. The War on Terrorism has unleashed a number of potentially threatening developments that could checkmate China’s strategic expansion moves and call into question predictions about China’s inevitable rise as the next superpower.
Yet...... look what is happening of both in and around China after 16 years...
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The Diplomat chose Rick to be the editor for writing a news about Chinese future bomber program, a rare occurrence for Chinese military enthusiasts to be accepted by mainstream media.
I think demands like that are not aimed at trade war, but real war.
If the demands included that every Chinese should pay the US 1000 dollars a year and that China should stop STEM education at their universities, it wouldnt look out of place. Might also add the demand that China should import million tons of Opium per year from US-owned poppy fields in Afghanistan for good measure...
Demands like these arent "negotiating". Demands like these are typically followed by an ultimatum and threat of all-out war.
Looks like "Made in China 2025" really is the bane to the Western world. Understandable, since the entire West is threatened to loose their lifelihoods and markets once China can churn out comparable high technology at cheaper prices due to state support enabled by China's political and economic system. China would truly be a Japan+USSR on steroids, unstoppable by US enforced Plaza Accords (because unlike Japan, China isnt occupied by US troops), unable to be brought down by the lack of it's own ecoomic growth and lack of consumer goods (because unlike the USSR, China's economy isnt just growing, but the individual chinese purchasing power is also growing)... The sum of all western fears.
I have never found a statement I agree with more in my life. If only this forum had an "upvote" feature.
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I have never found a statement I agree with more in my life. If only this forum had an "upvote" feature.
I'd rather use "XXXXXX liked it" than numeric up/downvote system, Ars and ZH are prime examples how commenter and readers abused it with certain biases, without the ability to dispute the (un-)favor.
Some radical but still rule-abiding commenters have even punished by moderator's up/downvote manipulation on his/her post, so other commenters will accuse him/her a corporate troll (too many planted upvotes may draw doubts), or just a personal humiliation (a massive amount of downvotes even the readership is poor).
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Speaking of accusation, China posted two documents about US and Japan's underwater surveillance devices. One US UUV and one sonobuoy was spotted and salvaged by China in 2012 and 2015 near Hainan island. In 2013, China also salvaged a sonobuoy believed to be deployed by US or Japan near Qingdao military port. They are surveying Chinese naval activities, especially submarines. Those salvages is no doubt improving the Chinese naval counterintelligence drastically:
Henri K.'s writeup on the new Chinese ships that have been quietly launched recently. All major milestones that deserve attention as they add significant capability boosts to the PLAN - and I'm not talking about the second Type 055 Cruiser/Destroyer, but the often ignored auxiliaries.
Some of them aren't in DB3000 like MA60, MA600/700 concept, ARJ21 and C919 (last two are from COMAC, but Xi'an does participate).
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The cancelation of Iranian nuclear deal triggered the major Obama/Trump debates around the world, but it doesn't matter to Israel and Iran anyway -- it will be far more convincing to say Iran want nukes and let them have it, and then declare war on the next day.
But, this will be the fourth front for the US Navy, are they ready?
Back from lots of travel (therefore unable to share news here)
Pictures: 1st Phase of French Navy Chesapeake Deployment in the United States
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Since early April, nearly 350 French Navy sailors and their aircraft are deployed in the Norfolk area, home of the Carrier Air Wing 8. As the first (land-based) phase of Chesapeake mission 2018 comes to an end, the Marine Nationale (French Navy) released several pictures showing how its "sailors of the sky" maintain their skills and confirm their high level of interoperability with their American allies.
Sea Fire digital radar for FTI frigate programme enters production
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Thales is pleased to announce that the first Sea Fire radar for the French Navy’s FTI future medium-size frigates programme is now in production. The Sea Fire is fully solid-state multifunction radar with a four-panel phased array antenna. It is designed for roles ranging from ship self-defence to extended air defence, providing protection from conventional, asymmetric and emerging air and surface threats.
Back from lots of travel (therefore unable to share news here)
Pictures: 1st Phase of French Navy Chesapeake Deployment in the United States
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Since early April, nearly 350 French Navy sailors and their aircraft are deployed in the Norfolk area, home of the Carrier Air Wing 8. As the first (land-based) phase of Chesapeake mission 2018 comes to an end, the Marine Nationale (French Navy) released several pictures showing how its "sailors of the sky" maintain their skills and confirm their high level of interoperability with their American allies.
Sea Fire digital radar for FTI frigate programme enters production
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Thales is pleased to announce that the first Sea Fire radar for the French Navy’s FTI future medium-size frigates programme is now in production. The Sea Fire is fully solid-state multifunction radar with a four-panel phased array antenna. It is designed for roles ranging from ship self-defence to extended air defence, providing protection from conventional, asymmetric and emerging air and surface threats.
Looked as if the crew was on a smoke break, with at least two missiles still in their tubes. And the placement of the vehicle at the end of a runway is a... novel AAW tactic, to say the very least.
Looked as if the crew was on a smoke break, with at least two missiles still in their tubes. And the placement of the vehicle at the end of a runway is a... novel AAW tactic, to say the very least.
Yeah, you see someone running back towards the vehicle right before the strike. When you compare things, how much is training and how much is equipment?
U.S. Navy Over-The-Horizon Weapon System Selection Expected for June
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The U.S. Navy is expected to announce the winner of its Over-The-Horizon Weapon System (OTH WS) competition by the end of June. The information comes from Norwegian business newspaper Finansavisen, quoting Raytheon CEO Thomas Kennedy. Kennedy was visiting the Kongsberg headquarters in Norway on Monday.
HII Started Fabrication of the First Flight III Arleigh Burke-class Destroyer Jack H. Lucas
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Huntington Ingalls Industries’ (HII) Ingalls Shipbuilding division officially started fabrication of the Arleigh Burke-class (DDG 51) destroyer Jack H. Lucas (DDG 125). The start of fabrication signifies the first 100 tons of steel have been cut. ... DDG 125 will be the first “Flight III” ship in the Arleigh Burke- class of destroyers. Flight III will incorporate a new Advanced Missile Defense Radar (AMDR) that will replace the existing SPY-1 radar installed on the previous DDG 51 ships.
U.S. Navy Completes Lightweight Torpedo Defense Mission Module Testing
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The Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) Mission Modules (MM) program announced the successful completion of two days of at-sea testing of the AN/SLQ-61 Lightweight Tow (LWT) Torpedo Defense Mission Module (TDMM), May 2.
First ARCIMS Unmanned Minesweeping System Handed Over to Royal Navy
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An autonomous minesweeper system that can safely clear sea lanes of mines has been handed over to the Royal Navy. Following a period of successful trials the demonstrator system could go on to be used by the Royal Navy in the future to defeat the threat of modern digital mines.
Russia launches Third Project 22800 Corvette Shkval - 1st one with Pantsir-M
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The second serial-produced (third overall) Project 22800 Karakurt-class corvette Shkval has been launched at the Pella Shipyard in the Leningrad Region in northwest Russia.
Russia's Baltic Shipyard Started Dock Trials of 33,000 tons Icebreaker Arktika
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Workers of the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia have completed the fitting-out of the Project 22220 versatile nuclear-powered icebreaker Arktika and started its dock trials, the shipyard’s press office said.
Russian aircraft carrier to be armed with Pantsyr-M CIWS
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The overhaul of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier of project 11435 will begin in May and the vessel will be armed with new upgraded air defense, including seaborne Pantsyr-M missile guns, Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Bursuk said.
Video: China's First Home-Built Aircraft Carrier Started Sea Trials
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China's first home-built aircraft carrier, known as the Type 002, set out from a dock of Dalian Shipyard, northeast China's Liaoning Province, for sea trials this morning (May 13, 2018). When commissioned, the yet to be named aircraft carrier will be the second one in the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN's) fleet.
"Depending on which missiles China's S-400s are equipped with, batteries in Fujian could reportedly cover all of Taiwan, while batteries placed in northern Shandong province could reach the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands, over which Japan and China dispute control."
Make a difference: "What Might Be the Impact of Six New Icebreakers in the Arctic? USCG Wants Your Feedback."
"Satellite imagery from May 7 provided the first definitive evidence that dismantlement of the test site was already well underway.[3] Several key operational support buildings, located just outside the North, West and South Portals, have been razed since our last analysis. Some of the rails for the mining carts, which had led from the tunnels to their respective spoil piles, have apparently been removed. Additionally, some carts seem to have been tipped over and/or disassembled, and several small sheds/outbuildings around the site had been removed."
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This news is like an ICBM flew straight into White House's window -- Trump wants to pull back ZTE ban amid trade war, because he 'cares' for Chinese workers:
EDIT: The usual Trump-supporters in ZH have even bigger outcry. ZH editor goes super salty and about this pullout, and further draw confusions amongst themselves whom is the biggest threat in the world (except Trump and USA in their perspective):
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