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Anecdotal AI balance - 12/21/2018 4:05:14 PM

EarlyDoors

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I'm find it interesting that playing as UK and India, with all others AI controlled I'm in to late 43 and the Germans have overrun the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front and Japan has almost captured China.

I feel, I've performed quite well, having smashed the Afrika Corps out of the Middle East, secured East Africa and held on to Burma and Malaya.

I also responded to Franco's seizure of Gibraltar by capturing Tangier and several Spanish ports.

Nevertheless i can't see a way back in Europe or Asia.

The German advance in 41 was slow and steady. They didn't appear to suffer any winter attrition and continued to grind Eastwards through 42 and 43.
I wonder how often they came out on top in testing and what the variance from the mean was.

Maybe i need to be far more pro-active in reducing their MPP through a costly bombing campaign?

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 12/23/2018 2:48:48 PM

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The AI is typically balanced to ensure a good game against a human opponent, and that usually means helping out to ensure that the AI, and in this case the Axis AI, is aggressive enough etc.

Your description above of your game play would certainly throw some of that planning for a loop so I'll think about how to possibly resolve this on my end in a future update.

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 1/6/2019 12:09:46 PM

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Next Game, and this time I'm UK, India, France & Poland with all others AI and once again the USSR loses Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow by June 43.

I managed to delay the Fall of France until October 40 and was much more aggressive in the North Sea smashing the Kreigsmarine to such an extent that the USSR dominated the Baltic.

I proactively attacked German convoys and ran a Strategic Bombing campaign - I could possibly have done more there.

In Africa, I rushed Tripoli so the Afrika Corps did not deploy. Tied down 7 units in Greece for 2 years and captured Sicily before 43.

It seemed to make a difference and USSR looked like they would hold through 42 but once summer of 43 rolled around the Germans just rolled through the USSR

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 1/8/2019 5:37:38 PM

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The AI in this game is similar to all wargames I have played. Is really good for learning or a casual game. If you want a serious game then Pbem. In my game the Soviets continued to attact from Moskow and ended up with a 7 strength army with no entrenchment and used it's tactical bombers on Army's away from Moskow. And it landed a British tank in Denmark with no follow up that was easily destroyed in 2 turns.

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 1/9/2019 11:40:34 AM

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I agree. Unusually, in this game, attacking Army's appear to be stronger than on the defence and so they make too many piecemeal attacks rather than digging in and saving their strength for overwhelming assaults.

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 1/24/2019 3:34:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors

Next Game, and this time I'm UK, India, France & Poland with all others AI and once again the USSR loses Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow by June 43.

I managed to delay the Fall of France until October 40 and was much more aggressive in the North Sea smashing the Kreigsmarine to such an extent that the USSR dominated the Baltic.

I proactively attacked German convoys and ran a Strategic Bombing campaign - I could possibly have done more there.

In Africa, I rushed Tripoli so the Afrika Corps did not deploy. Tied down 7 units in Greece for 2 years and captured Sicily before 43.

It seemed to make a difference and USSR looked like they would hold through 42 but once summer of 43 rolled around the Germans just rolled through the USSR

Having same issue with USSR. They get crushed by 42/43 despite extensive defensive works. This is very different than WiE. Any ideas?

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 1/25/2019 4:52:13 AM

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Play WiE?

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 2/5/2019 7:34:19 PM

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I now tried UK/France/India and got it in my second attempt.

The USSR is very weak when on the player's side and controlled by the AI. You need put pressure with the UK early on.
I supported Greece in 1941 and was even able to advance after a while.
Use diplo to cancel the Swedish convoy.
Tech should absolutely prioritize infantry and fighter research. My superior fighters, bombers and warships were able to create a trap for German fighters defending around Cherbourg (I think I eliminated about 10 there). Germany used virtually no fighters on the eastern front.
You can't wait for the US to spring into action in 43. After Greece I opened a second front in southern France in 42 with the troops from N-Africa (Germany had occupied Vichy).
Don't give more subsidies to the USSR than you can spare. Your support doesn't double (like the US support) and is the best target for German raiders. You can utilize the MP's more efficiently and this will help the USSR more. The German advance halted in 42. They didn't get even 1 Soviet capital. There was still a difficult moment when German level 4 tanks arrived, but finally US intervention decided the war.

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 2/5/2019 8:22:08 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bylandt11

I now tried UK/France/India and got it in my second attempt.

The USSR is very weak when on the player's side and controlled by the AI. You need put pressure with the UK early on.
I supported Greece in 1941 and was even able to advance after a while.
Use diplo to cancel the Swedish convoy.
Tech should absolutely prioritize infantry and fighter research. My superior fighters, bombers and warships were able to create a trap for German fighters defending around Cherbourg (I think I eliminated about 10 there). Germany used virtually no fighters on the eastern front.
You can't wait for the US to spring into action in 43. After Greece I opened a second front in southern France in 42 with the troops from N-Africa (Germany had occupied Vichy).
Don't give more subsidies to the USSR than you can spare. Your support doesn't double (like the US support) and is the best target for German raiders. You can utilize the MP's more efficiently and this will help the USSR more. The German advance halted in 42. They didn't get even 1 Soviet capital. There was still a difficult moment when German level 4 tanks arrived, but finally US intervention decided the war.

How did you position Soviet troops before war? Forward on German border or pulled back. Did all the units that spawn on German border get wiped out?

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 2/5/2019 10:55:44 PM

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The Ai controlled the USSR. He was India/Uk/France

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 2/6/2019 2:54:20 PM

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Don't forget that when you give the AI advantages (extra spotting, mpp,exp.), your AI allies do not get them. So if your playing the allies with the AI playing Russia, for example,the Russian AI is at a disadvantage.

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RE: Anecdotal AI balance - 2/7/2019 3:14:18 PM

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I have read several comments about how it is difficult to win as the allies due to Russia getting overrun. I look at this differently than others and that it is a strength to the game. Do you really want a game where the AI is easily defeated, or do you want a challenge? I found it easy to win as the Axis, it was my first game but the Axis seem to be overwhelming favorites. The game was fun, but I thought it could have been a little more challenging. I am trying my first game as the Allies and although I held off the Germans in France for a decent time, I realize I made some strategic blunders and right now the situation in Russia is ugly. In Asia it is a different story, my Chinese are actually beating the Japanese and I have gained a decent coast line and have them trapped in three pockets right now. I also took out some of their HQ�s so the prospect of a counter attack is slim. This may free me up to help Russia in other ways but I am not sure how long Russia can hold at this point considering my blunders there. So the war is still very much up in the air, which I find appealing.

I know the few things I would do different that I think would make a big difference. So I will finish this game to see how it turns out, then give some thought on my strategy for my next game. I like this challenge and actually find myself looking forward to the next game and seeing how my strategy adjustments will work. Looks like Bylandt11 took the same approach and was determined to try different strategies to find one that works to save Russia from being overrun.

I also am in a PBEM game as the Axis and again I think there is a huge advantage for the Axis to start. I am now interested in playing as the Allies to test some strategies I have. Seems like the Allies makes for a more interesting game and requires much more planning and strategic thought. Again, I find that appealing.

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