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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/22/2018 1:07:16 AM   
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So what is meant by posting that exactly?


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/22/2018 3:51:38 PM   
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Football is a wonderful sport.


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/22/2018 7:30:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		The beast is unleashed (read, creativity) and Ole's horde scores 5 goals. Which never happened since Ferguson left.

Ah the human creativity and freedom...

More of this, Ole.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/23/2018 12:01:02 AM   
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The beast is unleashed (read, creativity) and Ole's horde scores 5 goals. Which never happened since Ferguson left.

Ah the human creativity and freedom...

More of this, Ole.


As a norwegian - agree
as a L'pool supporter - nah no more please

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/23/2018 5:22:13 AM   
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The beast is unleashed (read, creativity) and Ole's horde scores 5 goals. Which never happened since Ferguson left.

Ah the human creativity and freedom...

More of this, Ole.


As a norwegian - agree
as a L'pool supporter - nah no more please
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Great professionalism from the United players - get the manager the sack by not bothering - and then turn it on when a new man is appointed. Imagine if the general public did that in their jobs.....

Personally I hope the Norwegian is a MASSIVE success (except when they play Spurs) so that the board decide to keep him and leave Poch alone

On a brighter note - good times for Liverpool it seems, and Man City's defeat yesterday didn't hurt did it?


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/23/2018 6:24:55 AM   
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On a brighter note - good times for Liverpool it seems, and Man City's defeat yesterday didn't hurt did it?



Not at all a bad weekend, however I still recall us leading the league untill the end and then stumble, so I am not happy untill the season is over

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/23/2018 9:50:16 AM   
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as a L'pool supporter - nah no more please


This could be Liverpool's year

Still, good football (if Ole is capable of delivering it almost every week in the first place) does not automatically earn you titles. Just like the agricultural football proposals of you know who have been failing.

Just some fesh air and more watchable football. Imagine a world in which every team parked the bus The horror...

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/23/2018 3:21:09 PM   
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as a L'pool supporter - nah no more please


This could be Liverpool's year

Still, good football (if Ole is capable of delivering it )


Fingers crossed

But to me the revival of Utd speaks lots about Mourinhos failure to get the support of his players. Ole uses the same players as were available to Mourinho after all.

Now ofc you could argue that the players should be giving it their best no matter who is in charge, but seems Mourinho fails to keep his stars happy year after year no matter what club.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/23/2018 6:06:31 PM   
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as a L'pool supporter - nah no more please


This could be Liverpool's year

Still, good football (if Ole is capable of delivering it )


But to me the revival of Utd speaks lots about Mourinhos failure to get the support of his players. Ole uses the same players as were available to Mourinho after all.

Now ofc you could argue that the players should be giving it their best no matter who is in charge, but seems Mourinho fails to keep his stars happy year after year no matter what club.
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I think it is too early to talk for certain about a revival - it was Cardiff City after all - but yes there is the inevitable question of whether Mourinho caused the problems with the players. And given what happened at Real, Chelsea the second time, and Man Utd, then its obvious he's not blameless. My point though is that the players are still (supposedly) professionals and (most definitely) receive obscene amounts of money to do a job. Whether they like the manager or not should not be a reason they have the option to simply down tools. That is disrespectful, and cheats, the fans who follow the club all over the world.


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/23/2018 9:28:56 PM   
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I think it is too early to talk for certain about a revival - it was Cardiff City after all - but yes there is the inevitable question of whether Mourinho caused the problems with the players. And given what happened at Real, Chelsea the second time, and Man Utd, then its obvious he's not blameless. My point though is that the players are still (supposedly) professionals and (most definitely) receive obscene amounts of money to do a job. Whether they like the manager or not should not be a reason they have the option to simply down tools. That is disrespectful, and cheats, the fans who follow the club all over the world.


Ditto.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/24/2018 3:52:53 AM   
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1. I think it is too early to talk for certain about a revival - it was Cardiff City after all

2. but yes there is the inevitable question of whether Mourinho caused the problems with the players. And given what happened at Real, Chelsea the second time, and Man Utd, then its obvious he's not blameless.

3. My point though is that the players are still (supposedly) professionals and (most definitely) receive obscene amounts of money to do a job. Whether they like the manager or not should not be a reason they have the option to simply down tools. That is disrespectful, and cheats, the fans who follow the club all over the world.



1. True, however Cardiff has won 4 of 5 home matches before they met Utd, also L'pool won 4-1 at Anfield, so 1-5 in Cardiff is quite good imo.

2. No doubt imo.

3. Absolutely, actually surprised that some of the players have not been fined for how they have acted (Pogba in peculiar), but alas, the players hold such power these days that some of them are in many ways bigger than the clubs. Sad for sure, but that is how football has become due to the money in the sport.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/25/2018 4:42:26 AM   
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He started, NOT his players

So not everyone is equally guilty.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/25/2018 12:34:53 PM   
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In plain English: he's alienated his players. Basically everywhere aka this is a trend. In fact it's just the other side of the coin. What bought him success (psychology and propaganda, certainly not football, and that's Argentinian journalist Diego Torres' thesis) necessarily bought him doom.

He started, NOT his players

So not everyone is equally guilty.

I'm not so sure who started it, but it was only with a few players, mostly the prima donna's and those who think that they have to play all games.
The players of nowadays are different from those 15 years ago. He needs to change his attitude and adapt to these new type of players. I'm not sure if he will, not because he isn't a smart guy, but because he's stubborn.
And to be honest the one who should have most of the blame, is Ed Woodward.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/25/2018 8:29:17 PM   
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he's stubborn.


If his method was working he would have the right to be stubborn ie refuse to adapt.

He's in big trouble. He could not rally, inspire his horde at United and at Real only for a brief period of time before everything collapsed.

Compare this with the many Inter, Chelsea players that would have killed for him. He managed to truly inspire them. Not a single one of these players said they loved to be castrated (creativity out) or park the bus. To the last of them they mentioned they would fight to death for the manager. That was his real strength as a manager. And for some reason it's gone.

Time will tell if he can redeploy again his impressive psychological knowledge and go on to inspire another horde.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/26/2018 2:35:49 PM   
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The draw for the Carabao Cup has been made and..... really???

Last year
Arsenal vs Chelsea
Manchester City vs Bristol City

This year
Spurs vs Chelsea
Manchester City vs Burton Albion

Another tough game ahead for Guardiola


How do they do the draw? Looks a bit suspicious to me.
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Lolz . No the draw is live on TV and I don't think for one moment its rigged. For a Spurs or Chelsea fan it's just annoying.




It was on live TV? Then there can be no foul play.

Bah.

I am not saying that they cheated. This is English football and I think it still has honour. But live TV draws are no guarantee that the draw isn't rigged. It sure can be made difficult to cheat in live TV draws. But usually it is a guy that picks ups balls from a bowl. And that has been cheated with plenty of times before, and in football draws. So as long they continue to use a method that it is easy to cheat with, then I am going to suspect that there is foul play involved. Otherwise they would move on to a safer method.

Anyway. Since I do not know what method that was used I really have no idea, one way or the other.

And I do truly believe that English football is somewhat more honourable than the average football association.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/26/2018 2:37:41 PM   
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he's stubborn.


If his method was working he would have the right to be stubborn ie refuse to adapt.

He's in big trouble. He could not rally, inspire his horde at United and at Real only for a brief period of time before everything collapsed.

Compare this with the many Inter, Chelsea players that would have killed for him. He managed to truly inspire them. Not a single one of these players said they loved to be castrated (creativity out) or park the bus. To the last of them they mentioned they would fight to death for the manager. That was his real strength as a manager. And for some reason it's gone.

Time will tell if he can redeploy again his impressive psychological knowledge and go on to inspire another horde.

I think he should go to a club where he can work with a team. Perhaps a middle league club with few divas.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/26/2018 3:09:34 PM   
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he's stubborn.


If his method was working he would have the right to be stubborn ie refuse to adapt.

He's in big trouble. He could not rally, inspire his horde at United and at Real only for a brief period of time before everything collapsed.

Compare this with the many Inter, Chelsea players that would have killed for him. He managed to truly inspire them. Not a single one of these players said they loved to be castrated (creativity out) or park the bus. To the last of them they mentioned they would fight to death for the manager. That was his real strength as a manager. And for some reason it's gone.

Time will tell if he can redeploy again his impressive psychological knowledge and go on to inspire another horde.

I think he should go to a club where he can work with a team. Perhaps a middle league club with few divas.


Problem with that is that he himself is a diva, and I doubt he will accept a mid league team...

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/26/2018 3:18:08 PM   
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he's stubborn.


If his method was working he would have the right to be stubborn ie refuse to adapt.

He's in big trouble. He could not rally, inspire his horde at United and at Real only for a brief period of time before everything collapsed.

Compare this with the many Inter, Chelsea players that would have killed for him. He managed to truly inspire them. Not a single one of these players said they loved to be castrated (creativity out) or park the bus. To the last of them they mentioned they would fight to death for the manager. That was his real strength as a manager. And for some reason it's gone.

Time will tell if he can redeploy again his impressive psychological knowledge and go on to inspire another horde.

I think he should go to a club where he can work with a team. Perhaps a middle league club with few divas.


Problem with that is that he himself is a diva, and I doubt he will accept a mid league team...

Indeed, that's the reason why after a week he have been fired we are still talking about it.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/26/2018 3:57:18 PM   
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Today is indeed a good football day

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/26/2018 5:21:02 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/26/2018 5:47:04 PM   
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I think he should go to a club where he can work with a team. Perhaps a middle league club with few divas.


He burnt too many bridges but who knows: an epiphany?

City imploding

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/27/2018 6:46:35 AM   
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agree, this Association Football thing is rather spiffing these days
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My elder little cruiser and I are firm KWP fans and have been for a couple of seasons now. We have been surprised at his lack of opportunities this season and particularly when he failed to start against Burnley (as a show of confidence by the manager after the Barce game).

But what a performance yesterday! I think he now has 5 assists in 5 Premiership appearances - and he could have scored yesterday too!!


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/27/2018 7:32:45 PM   
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agree, this Association Football thing is rather spiffing these days
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My elder little cruiser and I are firm KWP fans and have been for a couple of seasons now. We have been surprised at his lack of opportunities this season and particularly when he failed to start against Burnley (as a show of confidence by the manager after the Barce game).

But what a performance yesterday! I think he now has 5 assists in 5 Premiership appearances - and he could have scored yesterday too!!



watching the highlights, what really stands out is how controlled each of his passes for the first 3 goals were, he created space, slowed it down and delivered a perfect pass - to do that once would have been impressive, to repeat it consistently shows real talent.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/28/2018 7:37:17 AM   
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agree, this Association Football thing is rather spiffing these days
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My elder little cruiser and I are firm KWP fans and have been for a couple of seasons now. We have been surprised at his lack of opportunities this season and particularly when he failed to start against Burnley (as a show of confidence by the manager after the Barce game).

But what a performance yesterday! I think he now has 5 assists in 5 Premiership appearances - and he could have scored yesterday too!!



watching the highlights, what really stands out is how controlled each of his passes for the first 3 goals were, he created space, slowed it down and delivered a perfect pass - to do that once would have been impressive, to repeat it consistently shows real talent.
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My one concern is that, like Trippier, he is on the small side. However he does seem to be comfortable on the ball, is not without skill for a defender (his goal against Rochdale was well taken) and can pick out a pass. As you say, his delivery on Saturday was excellent.

Will he keep his place vs Wolves though?


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 12/29/2018 11:03:35 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 1/4/2019 5:35:38 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 1/5/2019 7:17:25 AM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 1/9/2019 7:03:45 AM   
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Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 Chelsea

VAR is coming to the Premier League next season..... well they better get it sorted because it is currently a shambles. Designed to ensure greater accuracy in decision making, it's actually proving as controversial as the old fashioned method (the Mk1 Eye-ball) its designed to replace....

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 1/9/2019 9:15:01 AM   
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The only change is the public has another song now: "It was goal...Review the VAR, cabron!"

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 1/9/2019 6:05:09 PM   
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Sadly, the VAR doesn´t seem the best solution. After one year, the experience in Spanish Liga isn´t good. The VAR is another source of discussions every week. The VAR warns, but it is not mandatory. The referee chooses (or not) to review the play in the VAR. So many dubious plays aren´t reviewed, others yes, depends on referee's pleasure... and his pride.

The only change is the public has another song now: "It was goal...Review the VAR, cabron!"
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Interesting. Poch (who of course is close to Spanish football) was saying the same thing last night of La Liga - and that no one (top club or struggler) is happy with VAR.


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