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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/20/2019 10:21:23 PM   
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We open the turn to see a buildup across the entire area is likely with little ground taken although 3 divisions near the Dvina were pocketed this week

Luckily Dinglr left a 20CV MOT in thw swamp hex which panzers do not fight very well and is a good position for the men to hopefully retreat into so a rescue is planned and the men are in good spirit for it's chances of success

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/20/2019 10:23:31 PM   
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Black: Focused on setting up the hexes W and NW of Pskov as well as could be as this is the easiest route to Leningrad
Also tried to make sure no easy route around Pskov was possible with as little forces as I was willing to send
Red: I managed to stop fuel supplies to 2 of Dinglrs panzers
Yellow: I made high stacks instead of depth in hopes of redrawing Dinglrs attention back downward to waste more MP's
Unfortunately I had to leave weaknesses S/SE of Pskov for a coordinated lunge and possible linkup or ZOC blocks from the Dvina if there is a HQBU
We also manage to free the 3 divisions by shifting the motorised division and quickly attempt to extricate the units


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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/20/2019 10:26:22 PM   
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Not much movement from Dinglr here
This definitely seems like an unprioritised front at the moment

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/20/2019 10:27:32 PM   
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Black: I tried to limit panzer supplies with my airborne
With the landbridge looking like it is not given any prioritised objectives atm I reallocated as much as of my forces in AGC as I could to the Dvina/swamps area

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/20/2019 10:30:49 PM   
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Ouch.......
I was very stupid to save all of my AP last turn thinking I was being clever and forgetting that AP is spent on the rebirth of units
I would of been served incredibly well to put in a better general and 3 more divisions into Dinglrs path of attack as I was pondering on doing but I decided against it in my complacency.
Lesson well learnt

Hindsight is always 20/20!

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/20/2019 10:36:16 PM   
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I at least did learn a nice bit about some of Dinglrs attacking pathing which I can hopefully use going forward but this could just be me trying to convince myself that the lose of many good units actually had any relevance......

I decide not to put anything else into the fray in hopes of saving anything as AGS just isn't important enough
and I aren't going to throw more fuel into a fire, losing more in doing so

We run for the hills and let the evil facists have their haul of goodies and morale boosts that will bring!

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 3:07:43 AM   
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Ouch.......
I was very stupid to save all of my AP last turn thinking I was being clever and forgetting that AP is spent on the rebirth of units
I would of been served incredibly well to put in a better general and 3 more divisions into Dinglrs path of attack as I was pondering on doing but I decided against it in my complacency.
Lesson well learnt

Hindsight is always 20/20!

Doesn't this expenditure only happen from the 1st of November? Up till then it is free?

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 3:30:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well according to my notes I saved 44AP on turn 2 and I started up turn 3 with 74AP so 20AP went missing somewhere?
Honestly though I do not know though mate, I could be wrong and it happened through another avenue of obscurity I have no idea about (you never know with this game), I just assumed what I thought was the most likely option tbh

If anybody knows otherwise I would love to know!

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 5:12:25 AM   
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Well according to my notes I saved 44AP on turn 2 and I started up turn 3 with 74AP so 20AP went missing somewhere?
Honestly though I do not know though mate, I could be wrong and it happened through another avenue of obscurity I have no idea about (you never know with this game), I just assumed what I thought was the most likely option tbh

If anybody knows otherwise I would love to know!


notes...Notes!....NOTES...well isn't it just a case of fix bayonets and charrrgge!!!

seriously there is a bug, defect or anomaly in Soviet admin points that I noticed years ago where, very rarely, you do not get the full amount. I have not been able to repeat it so probably too much vodka consumed. For me usually around T5/6 then again perhaps I imagined it. (Notes would have helped).

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 7:40:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the re-formmtion of destroyed units is indeed free until November or December 41 but only for rifle division and maybe tanks, not sure. You should check the rules on that.

edit; 18.1.3. Rebuilding Destroyed Soviet Combat Units:
Soviet Rifle, Motorized and Tank divisions that are destroyed prior to November 1941 will be added to the reinforcement schedule to reenter
as empty or nearly empty units after a certain number of turns

So Cav and Mountain troops probably cost you AP to reform, even before Nov 41

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 8:17:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		To my knowledge, mountaineers and airborne don't reform. It might be the cavalry though. Should be easy to check against the destroyed unit records though.

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 8:57:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I remember right units only regenerate for free if you have 0 APs so there is a strong incentive to spend APs. I can't remember if there's an end date on that.
Cav units do regenerate I think, mountain and parachute units don't. This makes Para and especially MTN units worthwhile targets. The Soviet player should protect mountain divs from encirclement during 41 and 42.

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 5:08:16 PM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 5:13:00 PM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 5:39:17 PM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 5:49:34 PM   
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It's a fort comrade but I use a map mod so it could be why it is an unfamiliar icon perhaps


Wrong answer Sparkley!

What you should have said is: "It is a nuclear testing site from a special mod we use. If the Germans do not take it by turn five, the Soviets will start producing a-bombs (but these can only be dropped by pe-8's)."

Imagine the reaction to that one...

Or maybe I just have a weird sense of humour?

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 5:52:52 PM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/21/2019 11:46:18 PM   
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I think the re-formmtion of destroyed units is indeed free until November or December 41 but only for rifle division and maybe tanks, not sure. You should check the rules on that.

edit; 18.1.3. Rebuilding Destroyed Soviet Combat Units:
Soviet Rifle, Motorized and Tank divisions that are destroyed prior to November 1941 will be added to the reinforcement schedule to reenter
as empty or nearly empty units after a certain number of turns

So Cav and Mountain troops probably cost you AP to reform, even before Nov 41

So it could be destroyed Cav units or AT Brigades or those rare support units that surrender (attached to a fort)

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/22/2019 12:43:45 AM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/22/2019 4:40:45 AM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/22/2019 5:44:35 AM   
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If I remember right units only regenerate for free if you have 0 APs so there is a strong incentive to spend APs. I can't remember if there's an end date on that.
Cav units do regenerate I think, mountain and parachute units don't. This makes Para and especially MTN units worthwhile targets. The Soviet player should protect mountain divs from encirclement during 41 and 42.

Not sure why you would bother protecting Mountain Divisions, they don't have any special value? Para yes as you can turn them into Guards divisions.

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/22/2019 5:51:49 AM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/22/2019 7:39:17 AM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/22/2019 7:50:52 AM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/22/2019 11:41:28 AM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/23/2019 10:46:06 PM   
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AGN end of week 3



Black: Focused on setting up the hexes W and NW of Pskov as well as could be as this is the easiest route to Leningrad
Also tried to make sure no easy route around Pskov was possible with as little forces as I was willing to send
Red: I managed to stop fuel supplies to 2 of Dinglrs panzers
Yellow: I made high stacks instead of depth in hopes of redrawing Dinglrs attention back downward to waste more MP's
Unfortunately I had to leave weaknesses S/SE of Pskov for a coordinated lunge and possible linkup or ZOC blocks from the Dvina if there is a HQBU
We also manage to free the 3 divisions by shifting the motorised division and quickly attempt to extricate the units




A very small thing to be sure, but in your yellow box you have a 2=12 stack of three counters defending a hex that you don’t need to defend. Behind them it’s impassible and by placing the there you not only use 3 counters that could be much better used elsewhere, you also increase the risk of them being cut off. Also, in your line west of Leningrad you should defend the swamps to the west to shorten your line to 3 hexes instead of 5 hexes....Just a few observations that result in 7 counters freed up for deplloyment elsewhere.....

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/23/2019 10:50:12 PM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/23/2019 11:54:46 PM   
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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/24/2019 12:49:18 AM   
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The 2=12 stack was pocketed/Zoc locked at the beginning of the turn.



Ahh, ok, i see that now. Surprised that he was actually able to bounce that 20cv MOT unit to free them. Looking forward to the next turn as the G’s seem to have some good opportunities. Hard to telll though from a SOV replay.

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RE: The dunce (ST) vs the diligent (Dinglr) - all welcome - 2/24/2019 1:36:19 AM   
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At the beginning of my turn Dinglr had a 6-20CV MOT division in the swamp hex and captured 3 divisions but I freed them and extricated them into that hex

MOT perform rather awfully in swamp, rough, urban, dense woods (If there any more I am forgetting off of memory please do everybody do tell!) because of how the range values work in the combat engine so their CV is quite drastically lower than 20 when fighting in rough terrain (clear terrain has the opposite affect for panzers as they are stronger than their CV suggests)
In swamps very roughly they would of been somewhere more around 11-15 on map CV from my experience, depending on a bit of lady luck, making it much easier picking for saving them and extracating into that swamp hex so they had to be routed out for Dinglr to get anything out of it, wasting a week worth of his time for around 1 divisions worth of manpower

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