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What is the colour... - 6/22/2003 11:37:49 PM   
snoopy84

 

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Status: offline 		... of the backgrounds of various units meaning? Both the symbol of the unit (I heard that this means elite status, but why the different colous?) and the background of the box. Just asking.
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- 6/23/2003 6:50:14 AM   
e_barkmann


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Status: offline 		A tempting snippet from the Game Manual, which I think everyone will be delighted with - I can't think of anything that is not comprehensively covered.

[IMG]http://merchant.on.net/colours.gif[/IMG]

On the unit counter, the NATO symbol is filled with the unit quality colour so they are easy to identify on the map without needing to click on them.

Cheers, Chris

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- 6/23/2003 2:30:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well done to those who did the manual ;)

Interesting that substandard units do not provide a tactial shift. Does anybody know whether that feature is in TAO2?.

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- 6/23/2003 9:10:10 PM   
snoopy84

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for the answer.

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- 6/23/2003 9:26:46 PM   
snoopy84

 

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Status: offline 		Anyway Chris, isn't there a chance that you could send us some screenshots about the OOB in the game? A picture about that would be just lovely.:D

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- 6/24/2003 2:43:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont think the OOB is as extensive as that found in TAO2. It doesnt have the historical summary of each of the units, nor graphics of the commanders etc.

Mostly, it is used to tell you where each unit is located on the map and furthermore, to give you an update as to when a unit is expected in reinforcements and/or in alert points.

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- 6/24/2003 6:29:14 PM   
e_barkmann


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Status: offline 		here's a couple of examples:

[URL=http://merchant.on.net/oob1.gif]German OOB example[/URL]

[URL=http://merchant.on.net/oob2.gif]Russian OOB example[/URL]

the white numbers, eg +19 indicate the unit is a reinforcement and will enter the battle in that number of turns time.

Cheers Chris

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- 6/24/2003 6:45:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also note that units icons are updated with a skull and cross bones type graphic to indicate that the units has been KIA if thats the case.

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- 6/24/2003 6:55:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		heh, I never noticed that before!

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- 6/26/2003 3:19:38 PM   
snoopy84

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks.
But I still have a question on the German elite units. I understand that 1.SS Panzer and the Baeke Regiment are elite units, but the others? Why is the 1. Panzer an elite unit, for example (and the other panzer divisions not)? And at the Independent units, what are the three separate inf. battalions (I think that the separate tank battalion is a Schwere Panzer Abteilung)?
We children always ask our annoying questions.:rolleyes: ;)

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- 6/26/2003 4:33:55 PM   
e_barkmann


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Why is the 1. Panzer an elite unit, for example (and the other panzer divisions not)? [/QUOTE]

That's a scenario design decision. When you get the game, you can use the editor to fool around with unit values etc, so if you think that 16th & 17th deserve that kind of status, you can give that to them too :-)

[QUOTE]And at the Independent units, what are the three separate inf. battalions (I think that the separate tank battalion is a Schwere Panzer Abteilung)? [/QUOTE]

Here are all those units in the one stack:

[IMG]http://merchant.on.net/506.gif[/IMG]

You are spot on about the 506!

Cheers, Chris

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- 6/26/2003 5:37:22 PM   
snoopy84

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks, it's cool that you can modify things like that.:D Is the editor coming with the full game (silly question, but for TAO2 the editor is a separate thing).
What are those Mot Assault Btls? Sturmpioniere, or what?

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- 6/27/2003 6:14:47 PM   
e_barkmann


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE] Is the editor coming with the full game[/QUOTE]

yes it's included on the CD.

[QUOTE]hat are those Mot Assault Btls? Sturmpioniere, or what?[/QUOTE]

Pioniere, I believe. I can't dig up much information about them though, my OOB sources aren't much help.

Cheers Chris

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- 6/27/2003 6:58:26 PM   
snoopy84

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks. And what about those...;)
Just kidding, out of questions for a while.

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Mot. Assault Btls - 6/27/2003 7:33:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Snoopy84,
[QUOTE]Originally posted by snoopy84
What are those Mot Assault Btls? Sturmpioniere, or what? [/B][/QUOTE]
Those are motorised pioneer battalions.

According to the yellow/gold background, the whole bunch are elite troups.

Greetz, Vampire.

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- 6/28/2003 1:27:13 PM   
snoopy84

 

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Status: offline 		And in what are they more than just simple infantry? Any spec. skills? (I mean above the elite status.) I remembenr a similar unit in TAO2, but I don't know any extras about them.:confused:

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- 6/29/2003 4:41:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Snoopy these units being mechanised have high movement rates (akin to armour). They also have a strong tank and anti-tank component and are capable or repairing bridges (like other engineer units). Overall a good general purpose unit.

Brubaker

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- 6/29/2003 6:50:32 PM   
Fred98


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Status: offline 		Interesting that substandard units do not provide a tactial shift. Does anybody know whether that feature is in TAO2?.

And which units they might be? I am in the process of losing yet another campaign :(

A quick answer might just save me.

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- 6/30/2003 5:00:21 AM   
e_barkmann


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Status: offline 		From the TAO2.4.0 readme.pdf:

[QUOTE]Sub standard units do not trigger the shift bonus for attacking in a particular direction in combat so only add their strength points to the battle. Sub standard units are worth 50% of the standard value in the victory dialog.[/QUOTE]

Cheers Chris

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- 7/1/2003 3:43:07 PM   
snoopy84

 

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Status: offline 		Let's stop talking about these game feature-things. I'll lose my mind while waiting.:( ;)

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- 7/1/2003 4:16:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Me too!

I am tired of getting whupped by other testers. I want to get whupped by someone new ;)

Brubaker

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- 7/2/2003 6:46:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah all the discussion is great, but I want my copy of KP-(lots of whinning & snivelling) :confused:

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