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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/16/2019 2:19:17 PM

Mike Solli

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16 Dec 41

Sub War

The I-164 found and sank the AO Trinity NE of Soerabaja. She was empty, fortunately.

The I-157 put two torpedoes into the xAP Rochambeau, who was wounded earlier. That put her down. She was empty, unfortunately.

5 Fleet

No action here.....yet.

4 Fleet

Wake Island was finally liberated. The cost was a bit higher than I had hoped, just xAK(L)s, but it's finally mine. I have a small AS unit to support some flying boats and a few engineers to begin working on forts. I have some engineer battalions headed to Truk. One is allocated to Wake to get the forts built as quickly as possible.

My first attack on Guam didn't fare so well, but I only lost one squad. That base is doomed and I'm really in no hurry.

SE Fleet

One of those little AS companies with a platoon of SNLFs landed at Manus. I'll take it in a couple days.

SRA

Landings at Singkawang, Beaufort and Manado. Attacks in a couple days.

My air assault on Pt. Blair was a success! They destroyed the little British garrison. I'll start flying in the remainder of the para regiment along with some engineers. The 21 IMB is loaded on transports and will head there eventually.

I have most of my Betties and Nells flying night bombing missions against Singapore's airfield, and doing little to no damage. I don't like to use them against land targets. They're made to sink ships. Anyway, in a couple days, they'll start day bombing missions there. I need to prevent the forts from increasing any more and night bombing ain't doing it. The IJAAF is doing day bombing, but need help. My Zero sweeps over Singapore are still killing Buffalos. Today they got 2 of 4 that rose to meet them.

At Mersing, Mike is doing all he can to be a nuisance. I have a few DMS there to sweep the sub laid mines that he dropped off a few days ago. They swept 5, one with the hull of W-1. She sank later in the day.

Numerous TB and LB attacks were made against the few remaining ships unloading at Mersing. I have a couple of Oscar sentai rotating LRCAP duties over Mersing so there are always a handful of them to protect the base and ships. The Oscars took out 10 Vildebeasts, but lost an xAKL with some troops aboard.

I tried another deliberate attack at Johore Bahru. Not much happened other than disabled squads on both sides. Some or all of the Allied units are in move (or maybe strat) mode moving to Singapore. I was hoping to catch them and maul them. Ah well, had to try.

At Kuantan, I tried a shock attack, basically an IJA infantry regiment vs an Indian Brigade. Nothing happened here either which was a real disappointment. I have the 22 Air Flotilla HQ there and want to base a bunch of bombers there to start really pounding Singapore from close range. These 2 day turns are REALLY slowing things down.

Hong Kong: The deliberate assault netted 1:1 odds with heavy Allied casualties. Grinding them down.

Philippines: Two of 5 P-40s were shot down and the bombers worked over both Manila's and Bataan's airfields. I'm cleaning up the remaining Allied bases in Luzon and will enter Manila when my forces reach their jump off points.

Mindanao: I'm pushing the Allied rabble to the center of the island where I'll destroy them. I have 16 Division and 2 or 3 tank regiments there, along with some SNLFs. Mindanao is soon to be mine.

Two Chinese DB-3Ms attacked (I think) the oil at Taihoku. The chutai of Zeros shot them down. If you don't recall, earlier in the war, Chinese bombers destroyed the 8 oil there. 6 have been repaired and the remainder will be repaired in the next 2 days. The Zero chutai there is getting a lot of target practice now. I suspect it's over.

Finally, a fast transport TF of 4 CA & 4 DD going for a landing at Muntok ran into several Allied TFs.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Muntok at 50,89, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
DD Maikaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Hagikaze

Allied Ships
CL Dragon
CL Durban
DD Stronghold
xAKL De Klerk
xAKL De Haan
xAKL Siberoet
xAKL Sibolga

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 24,000 yards...
CA Mogami engages CL Durban at 24,000 yards
Range increases to 29,000 yards
CA Mogami engages CL Durban at 29,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CL Durban at 29,000 yards
Task forces break off...

*Sigh*

Day Time Surface Combat, near Muntok at 50,89, Range 25,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
DD Maikaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Hagikaze

Allied Ships
AM Ballarat
AM Toowoomba
TK Anastasia
TK Francol
TK Harpa
TK Pinna
TK Pleiodon
TK Spirilla

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range increases to 27,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range increases to 24,000 yards...
Range increases to 27,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
Japanese TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 25,000 yards...
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

Day Time Surface Combat, near Muntok at 50,89, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 1
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
DD Maikaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Hagikaze

Allied Ships
CL Dragon, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
CL Durban, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Stronghold
xAKL De Klerk, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL De Haan
xAKL Siberoet, Shell hits 1
xAKL Sibolga, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards...
Range increases to 26,000 yards...
Range increases to 27,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 19,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 19,000 yards
Range increases to 20,000 yards...
CA Mikuma engages CL Durban at 20,000 yards
CL Dragon engages CA Mikuma at 20,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages CL Dragon at 20,000 yards
xAKL Sibolga sunk by CA Mogami at 20,000 yards
CA Mogami engages xAKL Siberoet at 20,000 yards
CL Durban engages DD Arashi at 20,000 yards
DD Arashi engages xAKL De Klerk at 20,000 yards
DD Maikaze engages xAKL Siberoet at 20,000 yards
Range increases to 21,000 yards
CL Durban engages CA Kumano at 21,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CL Durban at 21,000 yards
CA Kumano engages xAKL De Klerk at 21,000 yards
DD Nowaki engages CL Durban at 21,000 yards
CL Dragon engages DD Maikaze at 21,000 yards
Range increases to 25,000 yards
CA Kumano engages CL Dragon at 25,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CL Dragon at 25,000 yards
CA Mogami engages CL Dragon at 25,000 yards
Range increases to 29,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CL Dragon at 29,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages CL Dragon at 29,000 yards
CL Durban engages CA Mogami at 29,000 yards
Task forces break off...

Well, at least they did something. It did slow them enough that they didn't reach Muntok yet.

Burma

No action here yet.

China

Nothing exciting really. Lots of bombing and maneuvering. And a lot of units are shuffling around to free up good divisions that are on garrison duty.

Mike did do something unexpected. He attacked the lone 2nd Ching An Tui Brigade and destroyed it. There really wasn't much to it. I did learn it'll take 330 PP to rebuild it. Guess who is never coming back to fight in the war?

Other Stuff

Just plodding along...

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/16/2019 5:55:55 PM

Mike Solli

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17 Dec 41

Sub War

The I-21 took out an xAKL east of Hawaii with her guns.

5 Fleet

Nothing to report.

4 Fleet

Nothing exciting today.

SE Fleet

KB is 1 day away from Truk. It will refuel and replenish tomorrow. I flew all the aircraft to Truk for several reasons. First, they filled up their aircraft and pilots including 3 spare of each. Also, the next two days will allow reduction of aircraft fatigue much faster than would happen aboard the carriers.

The invasion of Madang happened. Tomorrow, both Madang and Manus will happen tomorrow.

Rangoon was bombarded, both to soften it up a bit and to get some intel:

Night Naval bombardment of Rabaul at 106,125 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 13
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 1

CA Kako firing at Rabaul Det. Base Force
Rabaul Det. Base Force firing at CA Kako
CA Furutaka firing at Lark Battalion
CA Kinugasa firing at Rabaul
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for CA Aoba
CA Aoba firing at Rabaul

SRA

Malaya: More inaccurate night bombing by Betties and Nells of Singapore. Then inaccurate day bombing by Sallies and Lilys of Singapore.

The sweeping Zeros shot down 1 of 3 defending Buffalos. Japanese ground bombardment of Johore Bahru killed a few infantry squads...

Nine TBs were shot down trying to go after my handful of transports still there. Mersing reached a level 1 airfield today. I stationed a sentai of Oscars there as CAP. There currently is no AS there (poor planning on the commander's part) but I'm flying some in tomorrow.

Here's what's currently there. Most or all of the Commonwealth troops are retreating into Singapore. The more damage I can do here, the better.

Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1996 troops, 225 guns, 61 vehicles, Assault Value = 679

Defending force 14085 troops, 152 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 445

Allied ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
114th Infantry Regiment
11th Infantry Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Field Artillery Regiment
35th Field AA Battalion
26th Fld AA Gun Co
31st Field AA Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
35th Fld AA Gun Co
5th Field AF Construction Battalion
34th Field AA Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
21st Fld AA Gun Co
1st RF Gun Battalion
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
20th AA Regiment
84th JAAF AF Bn
25th Army
5th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
1st Mysore Battalion
8th Indian Brigade
22nd Australian Brigade
FMSV Brigade
11th Indian Division
2nd Argylls Battalion
110th RAF Base Force
3rd SSVF Battalion
3rd ISF Base Force
109th RAF Base Force
30 Battery/3 HAA
5th Field Regiment

Philippines: Two of 3 flying P-40s were shot down. More bombing of Manila and Bataan. I've allocated an SNLF and a Tank Regiment to take Bataan.

Hong Kong: Another deliberate assault:

Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21990 troops, 329 guns, 218 vehicles, Assault Value = 547

Defending force 4759 troops, 115 guns, 76 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Japanese adjusted assault: 223

Allied adjusted defense: 165

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled

Allied ground losses:
129 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 30 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (9 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Assaulting units:
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
66th Infantry Regiment
67th Ind.Infantry Battalion
38th Division
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
Kowloon Brigade
1st Middlesex Battalion
Rifles of Canada Battalion
102nd RN Base Force
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Hong Kong Fortress

Other Places: Troops/supplies landed at Singkawang, Manado, and Muntok (the CA/DD fast transports, along with another amphibious TF). Deliberate assaults at all those places tomorrow.

Burma

Still nothing. My troops are crawling.

China

Usual bombing and preparing.

Other Stuff

Nothing to report.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/17/2019 10:33:52 PM

Mike Solli

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18 Dec 41

Sub War

A Dutch sub torpedoed an Aden class off Kota Bahru wounding her. Later in the day the sub caught up with her and put her down.

It's amazing how awful both sides ASW is at the beginning of the war. Just plain awful.

One of my subs spotted CA Penscacola and launched torpedoes at her, missing, a few hexes south of Tabiteuea heading west. She disappeared from view after that. No idea where she's headed, but I suspect she's going to try and catch some invasion TF in the SE Fleet area.

5 Fleet

Still nothing going on up here, but I did park a sub at Adak and Dutch Harbor. They might just get lucky.

4 Fleet

Feeble attack at Guam:

Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 579 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Defending force 771 troops, 0 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Japanese adjusted assault: 10

Allied adjusted defense: 17

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
107 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
I./33rd Inf Regt

Defending units:
Guam USN Base Force

Actually, the battalion only has 1 infantry squad destroyed and another disabled. Still, pretty feeble.

SE Fleet

Troops landed at Gasmata and will take it in a couple days.

Manus was liberated and construction on an airfield will begin.

Madang was liberated. Those troops are moving on to Finschaven.

SRA

Philippines: Only 1 P-40 rose today but got away damaged. Both Manila and Bataan will build no more forts. Their airfield damage will never be repaired. My bombers have free reign.

Mindanao: Davao fell. Only 4 Allied units remaining on Mindanao (other than Zamboanga, which I'll take later).

Ground combat at Davao (79,91)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 945 troops, 0 guns, 141 vehicles, Assault Value = 79

Defending force 345 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 19

Japanese adjusted assault: 38

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 38 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Davao !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), preparation(-)
morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
465 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
8th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
1st /101st PA Battalion

Malaya: Johore Bahru was liberated!!!

Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24179 troops, 386 guns, 77 vehicles, Assault Value = 747

Defending force 11992 troops, 125 guns, 77 vehicles, Assault Value = 375

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 363

Allied adjusted defense: 139

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Johore Bahru !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
657 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 125 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled

Allied ground losses:
11477 casualties reported
Squads: 297 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 718 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 87 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 130 (122 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 106 (106 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8
Units destroyed 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
56th Infantry Regiment
5th Recon Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
11th Infantry Regiment
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
25th Army
35th Field AA Battalion
84th JAAF AF Bn
5th Field AF Construction Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
31st Field AA Battalion
20th AA Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
21st Fld AA Gun Co
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Field Artillery Regiment
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
35th Fld AA Gun Co
34th Field AA Battalion
26th Fld AA Gun Co
5th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
11th Indian Division
FMSV Brigade
1st Mysore Battalion
22nd Australian Brigade
2nd Argylls Battalion
30 Battery/3 HAA
3rd SSVF Battalion
109th RAF Base Force
110th RAF Base Force
3rd ISF Base Force
5th Field Regiment

This, in my opinion, was Mike's first major mistake. He lost a LOT of AV in this defeat. Allied troops lost increased from 386 to 811. Granted, this is for all Allied ground losses for today and tomorrow, but that's still a lot. Three units were destroyed. I didn't catch which ones (I'm going to rerun the replay to see) but I suspect it's base forces and the AA battery. The Aussie brigade is trashed. They were down to 0 AV during the attack. At any rate, this is a big help for me.

Four of 7 Buffalos were shot down for no Japanese loss.

Johore Bahru has AS. I flew in some Zeros and bombers for CAP and bombing.

Other locations: Muntok was liberated and will be built up to a level 2 airfield.

Beaufort was liberated.

Singkawang was attacked, not taken but the defenders were ground down and the forts reduced to 0.

Ditto with Manado.

Miri was invaded with elements of the 2 Division. I almost choked when I saw that the 2 CAs escorting the invasion fleet bombarded.

Fortunately, they didn't damage any of the infrastructure.

Hong Kong: Another attack to grind them down further...

Burma

Getting closer!

China

Mike is a pain in the ass here. He's got units running all over the place.

Other Stuff

Just the usual early game conversions, etc...

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/17/2019 11:23:58 PM

Mike Solli

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19 Dec 41

Sub War

Mike has what seems like a thousand ASW TFs south of Hawaii harassing my remaining subs there. The I-22 finally got pissed off enough and torpedoed and sank the DD Reid.

5 Fleet
4 Fleet
SE Fleet

Nothing to report. This is often the case in the second turn of the cycle.

SRA

Philippines: More air bombing while my forces tighten the noose around Manila. (Meaning if there was an attack yesterday, those forces just sit today.

) Two of 3 P-40s were shot down.

Mindanao: Same.

Hong Kong: Bombardment. Look at the AV. They have to fall in tomorrow's assault!

Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2069 troops, 153 guns, 133 vehicles, Assault Value = 535

Defending force 4091 troops, 110 guns, 63 vehicles, Assault Value = 37

Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Malaya: Four Buffalos went up and one was shot down. Singapore will no longer build forts. Putting the Nells and Betties on day bombing did the trick. I'm going to let my troops at Johore Bahru rest for the next 2 day cycle. Then they'll probably go in. I hate sending in regiments as opposed to the rebuilt divisions, but no one can combine yet. There's always one unit astray.

Other Places: Singkawang was liberated.

Manado STILL hasn't fallen. Tomorrow, some BBs are going in to trash the place.

Landings continued at Miri. The attack will go in tomorrow.

Burma

Nada

China

More of the same. I did take Chengchow and Loyang.

Other Stuff

Nothing exciting.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/17/2019 11:31:40 PM

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Miri was invaded with elements of the 2 Division. I almost choked when I saw that the 2 CAs escorting the invasion fleet bombarded. Fortunately, they didn't damage any of the infrastructure.

Send that captain to the Kuriles northern most outpost.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/18/2019 10:06:52 PM

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Miri was invaded with elements of the 2 Division. I almost choked when I saw that the 2 CAs escorting the invasion fleet bombarded. Fortunately, they didn't damage any of the infrastructure.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought when bombarding from an invasion fleet they don't hit infrastructure. At least that seems to be my experience.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/18/2019 10:08:19 PM

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China

Mike is a pain in the ass here. He's got units running all over the place.

His version of a Chinese fire drill?

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/18/2019 10:09:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: rustysi

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Miri was invaded with elements of the 2 Division. I almost choked when I saw that the 2 CAs escorting the invasion fleet bombarded. Fortunately, they didn't damage any of the infrastructure.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought when bombarding from an invasion fleet they don't hit infrastructure. At least that seems to be my experience.

Could be. That seems to be the case in this instance. I haven't a clue to be honest.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/18/2019 10:12:34 PM

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China

More of the same. I did take Chengchow and Loyang.

Nice. Those two tend to be difficult for China to hold for long.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/19/2019 1:59:21 AM

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China

Mike is a pain in the ass here. He's got units running all over the place.

Ah, the venerable "Cockroach run" strategy that few AFBs have the persistence (and healthy index finger) to pursue

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 2:27:04 PM

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Cockroach run strategy. Nice description.

Anyway, I've decided on my aircraft R&D, good, bad or ugly:

5 Rufe - to the Zero line.
12 Sam
2 Jill
3 Grace
3 Judy
1 Ki-115a - may change this to something else. Not sure.
3 Oscar - Keep going back and forth on this one.
6 Tojo - IIc is the goal.
3 Helen - I'll keep the Sally around until the IIa becomes operational. Lily for a short time, probably through Jan 42. IIa is the goal.
3 Peggy TB
12 Frank
12 George
12 Ki-83

That's all the R&D factories. As lines complete (or when I achieve the model I want) I'll switch them to other models. The Ki-115 and Toka eventually along with some NF. We'll see what else. Some jets if things advance faster than anticipated.

Right now, I'm allocating 5 engine factories to the Ha-43 and 4 to the Ha-45. That may increase.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 2:42:59 PM

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Current operational airframe production (not all the factories are built up completely yet):

90 A6M2 Zero
10 B5N1 Kate (will use up the Nakajima Hikari engines)
15 B5N2 Kate
15 C5M2 Babs
15 D3A1 Val
27 E13A1 Jake
10 E14Y1 Glen (will use up the Hitachi Amakaze)
30 G3M2 Nell
30 G4M1 Betty (not sure how long I'll keep this line around. Edit: Probably until the G3M3 becomes operational.)
6 H6K4 Mavis
30 L3Y2 Tina
30 Ki-21-IIa Sally
15 Ki-32 Mary (will use up the Kawasaki (early))
60 Ki-43-Ic Oscar
15 Ki-46-II Dinah
34 Ki-48-Ib Lily
30 Ki-56 Thalia (main IJAAF transport)
10 Ki-57-I Topsy (will use up the Nakajima Ha-5)

When it comes to production, I'm a minimalist. I DO NOT want 500 of some obsolete airframe sitting in my pool when I upgrade it. That's why the production is so low in some cases. Some airframes will increase. The Oscar comes to mind. Probably 90 eventually. We'll see. I really want the Tojo as my main IJAAF fighter through 42. I have 1 Oscar factory building up to 60. I may convert a second to 30 then shut it down when the Tojos come online.

My minimalist attitude drives some people nuts, but it works for me.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 2:57:03 PM

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15 Val is a bit short IMO, them always suffer from flak much more than other carrier based planes. Also, it would take a looong time to use up that Hikari

with that production.

Otherwise, viva la minimalism! I always try to plan accordingly even if it is just AI I'm playing

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 3:09:42 PM

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Yep, it is low. Right now, all my Val carrying carriers are full up with 3 spares and I have some in the pool. I'll increase it slowly over the next couple of months to 30, possibly higher dependent on Mike's aggressiveness. I'm not too concerned with having a decent pool of them when the Judy arrives because I'll need a fair number for training units.

The Hikari will be exhausted around Sep 42. No big hurry unless I run low on available operational factories, which is unlikely. I like to use the B5N1 for MKB. They're not much different from the N2 really and I try to keep MKB out of trouble if possible.

Same thoughts with the other available engines.

Topsy (Ha-5) Apr 42
Glen (Amaze) Dec 42
Mary (Kawasaki (early)) May 42. I may only build that factory up to 10, in which case the engine will be exhausted August 42.

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Current operational airframe production (not all the factories are built up completely yet):

90 A6M2 Zero
10 B5N1 Kate (will use up the Nakajima Hikari engines)
15 B5N2 Kate
15 C5M2 Babs
15 D3A1 Val
27 E13A1 Jake
10 E14Y1 Glen (will use up the Hitachi Amakaze)
30 G3M2 Nell
30 G4M1 Betty (not sure how long I'll keep this line around. Edit: Probably until the G3M3 becomes operational.)
6 H6K4 Mavis
30 L3Y2 Tina
30 Ki-21-IIa Sally
15 Ki-32 Mary (will use up the Kawasaki (early))
60 Ki-43-Ic Oscar
15 Ki-46-II Dinah
34 Ki-48-Ib Lily
30 Ki-56 Thalia (main IJAAF transport)
10 Ki-57-I Topsy (will use up the Nakajima Ha-5)

When it comes to production, I'm a minimalist. I DO NOT want 500 of some obsolete airframe sitting in my pool when I upgrade it. That's why the production is so low in some cases. Some airframes will increase. The Oscar comes to mind. Probably 90 eventually. We'll see. I really want the Tojo as my main IJAAF fighter through 42. I have 1 Oscar factory building up to 60. I may convert a second to 30 then shut it down when the Tojos come online.

My minimalist attitude drives some people nuts, but it works for me.

In light of your 30x Ki-56 Thalia production, my opinion is that 30x L3Y2 production is too high. Oscar, A6M2, Betty/Nell seem about right. I don't build the Ki-48-Ib if I'm focusing on Ki-21 lineage and / or Helen later. My E13A1 production can never keep up with demand and replacement of antiquated float planes elsewhere, so I make 50 of them monthly.

H6K4 /K5 / H8K1 seems low unless you're planning on ramping that up as these later models come online.

Glad to see we're on the same page about the Tojo backbone for your IJAAF.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 5:24:03 PM

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In light of your 30x Ki-56 Thalia production, my opinion is that 30x L3Y2 production is too high. Oscar, A6M2, Betty/Nell seem about right. I don't build the Ki-48-Ib if I'm focusing on Ki-21 lineage and / or Helen later. My E13A1 production can never keep up with demand and replacement of antiquated float planes elsewhere, so I make 50 of them monthly.

H6K4 /K5 / H8K1 seems low unless you're planning on ramping that up as these later models come online.

Glad to see we're on the same page about the Tojo backbone for your IJAAF.

I made the decisions primarily based on my game with Ted. My IJA transport production was too low in that game. I was constantly scrounging for aircraft. I overbuilt the Oscar at 120 and now rarely have the factories on. Same with the Zero at 120, then up to 180. They are off a fair amount of the time too.

The Mavis/Emily is low now, but will increase when better models come out.

The L3Y2 is a knee jerk reaction. I forgot to start a factory

and have already lost 6 aircraft operationally. You're right. 15 is probably a better number. There isn't much need (unfortunately) for IJN transport aircraft.

I HATE building the Lily. I do it for a short period just to get a few more 2E bombers into the pool until I can get the Sally numbers up. Then the Lilys are relegated to China and training.

I'll take a look at my Jakes. A higher number would probably be better. A higher number to more quickly replace all those Petes and Daves more quickly isn't a bad investment.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 5:26:02 PM

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Cockroach run strategy. Nice description.

Anyway, I've decided on my aircraft R&D, good, bad or ugly:

5 Rufe - to the Zero line.
12 Sam
2 Jill
3 Grace
3 Judy
1 Ki-115a - may change this to something else. Not sure.
3 Oscar - Keep going back and forth on this one.
6 Tojo - IIc is the goal.
3 Helen - I'll keep the Sally around until the IIa becomes operational. Lily for a short time, probably through Jan 42. IIa is the goal.
3 Peggy TB
12 Frank
12 George
12 Ki-83

That's all the R&D factories. As lines complete (or when I achieve the model I want) I'll switch them to other models. The Ki-115 and Toka eventually along with some NF. We'll see what else. Some jets if things advance faster than anticipated.

Right now, I'm allocating 5 engine factories to the Ha-43 and 4 to the Ha-45. That may increase.

Solid choices, good fighter. Would be nice to see something other than the Ki83 which is present in quite a few games (a stellar performer btw).

Sally versus Helen versus Peggy: 3 on Helen seems excessive. Early on, unless you are going for India, there really isn't much flak to worry about and you should have air superiority. You might find a better home for 2 of the 3 factories there I think. I am just not a Helen fan, I don't think it is incrementally much better than the Sally and see no reason to allocate more than 1 factory to it.

Peggy, and the Peggy T are solid planes. The Peggy T makes one of the best kamikaze planes out of all army bombers. Of course, used as a torpedo bomber there is a delay in training up the pilots. Solid choice there.

No night fighters at all?

No Lilly dive bomber?

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 5:36:58 PM

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I overbuilt the Oscar at 120 and now rarely have the factories on. Same with the Zero at 120, then up to 180. They are off a fair amount of the time too.

Yeah, I've overbuilt A6M2 before too. What a waste. My current settings are 60 for the Oscars, and I have three research factories working on later war versions that are more useful. A6M2 production for me now is 65, but I have 150 in the pool in May 1942 so I've turned off my factories to conserve Ha-35s. I'll probably make 90 A6M5s (and follow ons) when they become available later in the year.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 5:47:24 PM

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Solid choices, good fighter. Would be nice to see something other than the Ki83 which is present in quite a few games (a stellar performer btw).

I'm not researching the Ki-83 in my game with Ted. Most seem to like it so I thought I'd try researching it from the beginning.

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Sally versus Helen versus Peggy: 3 on Helen seems excessive. Early on, unless you are going for India, there really isn't much flak to worry about and you should have air superiority. You might find a better home for 2 of the 3 factories there I think. I am just not a Helen fan, I don't think it is incrementally much better than the Sally and see no reason to allocate more than 1 factory to it.

Good thought about the Helen. Without any acceleration the IIa comes 9/42. With that thought, I don't see any reason to allocate any factories to it. What would 1 factory do, get you 1 or an outside chance of 2 months? I do like the Helen for its armor and 1 more hex of range.

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Peggy, and the Peggy T are solid planes. The Peggy T makes one of the best kamikaze planes out of all army bombers. Of course, used as a torpedo bomber there is a delay in training up the pilots. Solid choice there.

I opted against accelerating the Peggy. By the time it came along, I figure the Helen will do. I do want to give the the Peggy T a go though. I plan on training some pilots in NavB and NavS prior to getting the PeggyT (in the current Lily) and then using them in the Peggy T to get them trained up for torpedo bombing.

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No night fighters at all?

Yes, but not yet. I'll move some R&D factories over later on. There just aren't enough R&D factories to go around.

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No Lilly dive bomber?

Nope, I just can't get past the 100kg bomb.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 5:51:55 PM

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Solid choices, good fighter. Would be nice to see something other than the Ki83 which is present in quite a few games (a stellar performer btw).

I'm not researching the Ki-83 in my game with Ted. Most seem to like it so I thought I'd try researching it from the beginning.

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Sally versus Helen versus Peggy: 3 on Helen seems excessive. Early on, unless you are going for India, there really isn't much flak to worry about and you should have air superiority. You might find a better home for 2 of the 3 factories there I think. I am just not a Helen fan, I don't think it is incrementally much better than the Sally and see no reason to allocate more than 1 factory to it.

Good thought about the Helen. Without any acceleration the IIa comes 9/42. With that thought, I don't see any reason to allocate any factories to it. What would 1 factory do, get you 1 or an outside chance of 2 months? I do like the Helen for its armor and 1 more hex of range.

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Peggy, and the Peggy T are solid planes. The Peggy T makes one of the best kamikaze planes out of all army bombers. Of course, used as a torpedo bomber there is a delay in training up the pilots. Solid choice there.

I opted against accelerating the Peggy. By the time it came along, I figure the Helen will do. I do want to give the the Peggy T a go though. I plan on training some pilots in NavB and NavS prior to getting the PeggyT (in the current Lily) and then using them in the Peggy T to get them trained up for torpedo bombing.

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No night fighters at all?

Yes, but not yet. I'll move some R&D factories over later on. There just aren't enough R&D factories to go around.

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No Lilly dive bomber?

Nope, I just can't get past the 100kg bomb.

1 Factory on Helen, just because you will eventually make it.

The Lilly divebomber is a great anti fletcher platform, and those tiny 100kg bombs are SAP! Long range, and drops two. Very useful.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 5:53:43 PM

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Man Lowpe. You're making me think! At work of all places!

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 6:02:22 PM

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Looks like the Ki-48-IIb DB is its own line. Hmmm. What to do...

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 9:24:38 PM

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Cockroach run strategy. Nice description.

Anyway, I've decided on my aircraft R&D, good, bad or ugly:

5 Rufe - to the Zero line.
12 Sam
2 Jill
3 Grace
3 Judy
1 Ki-115a - may change this to something else. Not sure.
3 Oscar - Keep going back and forth on this one.
6 Tojo - IIc is the goal.
3 Helen - I'll keep the Sally around until the IIa becomes operational. Lily for a short time, probably through Jan 42. IIa is the goal.
3 Peggy TB
12 Frank
12 George
12 Ki-83

That's all the R&D factories. As lines complete (or when I achieve the model I want) I'll switch them to other models. The Ki-115 and Toka eventually along with some NF. We'll see what else. Some jets if things advance faster than anticipated.

Right now, I'm allocating 5 engine factories to the Ha-43 and 4 to the Ha-45. That may increase.

Looks like a solid approach. As you know, you may want others, but its impossible to get them all. Just remember that those kami planes represent army, Ki-115, and navy, Toka. I messed that up in my current game.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 9:33:14 PM

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90 A6M2 Zero

OK, minimalist.

I think this is too high. I've used it before, but now think that 60 may be enough. Do you have 'PDU On', I forget. Well if you do remember you can 'downgrade' lots of LB Zero's in the HI to 'Claudes'. The reason I decided to go the way I'm advocating is the M2 Zero doesn't link to the M5 or M anything IIRC. That means all goes to zero on production to the M5. By keeping it to 60 you save 30k supply. You remember supply don't cha. The stuff Japan doesn't have...

JMHO. YMMV.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 9:36:32 PM

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15 B5N2 Kate

Unless you have heavy losses I don't think you'll need 'em.

I've found the N1's to be enough, but if you wish to hedge your bet with this guy, so be it.

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15 Val is a bit short IMO

This was my main thought too.
I�ve got mine at 30, I resized a few land based Val groups for NS/ASW and I have very few Vals in the pool for reinforcement Val groups that are coming

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 9:44:43 PM

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27 E13A1 Jake

This is my insanity plane. I crank 'em up to 90 in two factories (one later goes to the Norm, I think). Then I resize tons of float groups over time. This plane has not stopped production since my games' inception, and I'm at the end of May, '43. I only have some 90 in the pools, and have maybe another half dozen units to convert to it. Then again I've said I do things that will curl some players toes. Even Miss Graffen referred to players who do this as 'idiots'. I did not take it personally.

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30 G3M2 Nell

Never built one of these, I wait for the M3. IIRC it comes soon enough, your Betties should last 'til then.

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34 Ki-48-Ib Lily

Don't bother with this one. Bomb size too small. I still have plenty in operation though, trainers.

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RE: Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J) - 6/20/2019 9:57:31 PM

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30 Ki-56 Thalia (main IJAAF transport)

Like this plane, don't build it though. Too much early demand for the Ha-35, so I go with the Topsy's. First the one then the two. I don't build a bunch either as I don't produce the Ha-31 either. I use the existing pool to split between the Topsy II and the Dinah II recon. It holds IMHO. I even convert the Topsy's to Hickories later to suck up some of the engines they use. This is where I give back some of the supply I saved on the Zero's. The Hickories suffice on some short hop resup routes and training groups until I get the Helen's.

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