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American Revolution - 7/20/2019 10:03:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm reading a terrific series of books by Rick Atkinson about the American Revolution. Most people don't realize that the war was more than Bunker Hill and Yorktown. It actually presented interesting strategic and tactical issues that came up in subsequent conflicts. For instance at what point does fighting a campaign that involves very long supply lines become virtually impossible, especially prior to the industrial revolution? Also how do you fight a professional army with untrained militia?

I'm looking for a strategic turn-based game that will help me explore these issues. I see that Matrix has two games that deal with this - Birth of America and For Liberty. Does anyone have any recommendations between these two games or any other PC games?
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RE: American Revolution - 7/21/2019 2:51:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you're willing to unplug, go look up Hollandspiele's excellent Supply Lines of the American Revolution games (there's 2)

https://hollandspiele.com/products/supply-lines-of-the-american-revolution-the-northern-theater-1775-1777

https://hollandspiele.com/products/supply-lines-of-the-american-revolution-the-souther-strategy


If you want other start-level games, there's GMT's COIN game "Liberty or Death" but again, it doesn't have a power cord

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RE: American Revolution - 7/21/2019 10:28:32 AM   
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Good games


https://www.gmtgames.com/p-826-liberty-or-death-the-american-insurrection-3rd-printing.aspx


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RE: American Revolution - 7/21/2019 12:53:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		i like For Liberty, but it can be a bit fiddly to get working right on windows 10 and for some systems it may not work at all properly.

i dont know what you think of John Tiller's style of games but there is this

http://www.johntillersoftware.com/EarlyAmericanWars/Campaign1776.html

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RE: American Revolution - 7/21/2019 5:58:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've never play For Liberty so I can't say much about it If you decide on Birth of America buy 'Wars in America'; it's actually BOA2. Lots of scenarios including The American Revolution, The French Indian wars and the War of 1812.

Differences between the 2 game include; For liberty is IGOUGO turn based with 'hexes' while WIA is WEGO and 'Area' movement. If you like the AGEod system WIA remains one of their best even though it uses their older system.

Here's a Youtube by Gilmer9999 of WIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MZcE7ZGG18

Full disclosure I'm an AGEod fanboy so keep that in mind.

Edit: AGEod has continued to patch the game up to 1.10e well past the Matrix version of 1.04c

WIA 1.10e (it's near the bottom)
http://www.ageod-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=152&t=43333

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RE: American Revolution - 7/21/2019 6:12:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		For Liberty is a good game - the problem with it is that it's an old game with old graphics, display and sound.

If you need those things to enjoy a game don't buy, but if you can still enjoy good old style games it fits the bill.

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RE: American Revolution - 7/21/2019 7:49:53 PM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/21/2019 8:00:16 PM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/22/2019 6:49:18 PM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/23/2019 10:26:15 PM   
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I'm reading a terrific series of books by Rick Atkinson about the American Revolution.


Me too. I'm about 20% through "The British are Coming" and it's well done.

I'm interested in a computer game version that's worthy of the conflict, so thanks for bringing up this thread.

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RE: American Revolution - 7/24/2019 12:57:33 AM   
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I'm interested in a computer game version that's worthy of the conflict, so thanks for bringing up this thread.

Same here..

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RE: American Revolution - 7/24/2019 2:22:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since the American colonists at the time of Paul Revere's ride considered themselves to be British, I think that their cry would be more like "The Regulars are coming!"

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RE: American Revolution - 7/24/2019 3:30:45 PM   
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Since the American colonists at the time of Paul Revere's ride considered themselves to be British, I think that they cry should be more like "The Regulars are coming!"


While at one time they may have felt that way, the years immediately before the revolution saw a deterioration in the relationship for a variety of reasons. At the time of Revere's ride, there was a majority mistrust in the motives of the crown and colonists increasingly identified themselves as something other than "British" in the classic sense of the word. Once blood was shed at Lexington and Concord, this trend accelerated dramatically.

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RE: American Revolution - 7/24/2019 3:46:22 PM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/24/2019 4:29:49 PM   
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But, correct me if I am wrong, Paul Revere's ride occurred before the battles of Lexington and Concord.

Yeah, you're right. I guess my point was that, after Lexington and Concord, a general mistrust or Gentlemen's disagreement flipped overnight to unrepressed rage. A lot changed in that one day/night.

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RE: American Revolution - 7/24/2019 5:36:38 PM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/25/2019 5:20:18 PM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/25/2019 5:46:15 PM   
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But, correct me if I am wrong, Paul Revere's ride occurred before the battles of Lexington and Concord.

Yeah, you're right. I guess my point was that, after Lexington and Concord, a general mistrust or Gentlemen's disagreement flipped overnight to unrepressed rage. A lot changed in that one day/night.


Reminds me of an interesting article I once read.:

Using Metadata to find Paul Revere:
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/


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RE: American Revolution - 7/25/2019 9:22:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		A little early Revolutionary War history: The Battle for Grape Island http://www.awiatsea.com/incidents/1775-05-21%20Battle%20of%20Grape%20Island.html

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RE: American Revolution - 7/25/2019 9:54:58 PM   
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If there was to be a new ARW game produced I'd like to see it include the efforts by the Dutch, French and Spain in the war also the possibility of other nations entering the war besides France.

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RE: American Revolution - 7/26/2019 1:48:37 AM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/26/2019 4:56:05 PM   
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Dutch involvement in the American Revolution: https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/dutch-participation-american-revolution


If there was to be a new ARW game produced I'd like to see it include the efforts by the Dutch, French and Spain in the war also the possibility of other nations entering the war besides France.


What about the Germans (e.g., Hessians)? There was also talk in the beginning of the war about bringing in some Russians to fight for the British too.

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RE: American Revolution - 7/26/2019 5:38:55 PM   
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Dutch involvement in the American Revolution: https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/dutch-participation-american-revolution


If there was to be a new ARW game produced I'd like to see it include the efforts by the Dutch, French and Spain in the war also the possibility of other nations entering the war besides France.


What about the Germans (e.g., Hessians)? There was also talk in the beginning of the war about bringing in some Russians to fight for the British too.

Correct me if I am wrong. At the time the Hessians were introduced into the American Revolution conflict as mercenaries, most if not all of Germany (as most might see it) was City States, Greater Germany had not been created yet. As to Russia entering the conflict: I do not know about that? These days I'm finding it difficult to google on such matters, don't know why?


EDIT:
OK, just dug up this article: https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/hessians/

Here's another article about Russia during this period. Now I get where you are coming from..!!! https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-07-04/how-russian-meddling-impacted-american-revolution

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RE: American Revolution - 7/26/2019 6:03:11 PM   
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Article On The Russians.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-07-04/how-russian-meddling-impacted-american-revolution


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RE: American Revolution - 7/26/2019 6:04:52 PM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/26/2019 7:22:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		On Steam there is a game Hold the Line, also available on Hexwar. Quite simple but suprisingly quite accurate historically. Playing rebel colonists you cannot smash the whole British army, only you can do is to make some casualties which lower enemy's morale. In my personal opinion - worth a look and know :)

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RE: American Revolution - 7/26/2019 7:50:39 PM   
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von Loos


Translated into English, wouldn't that be something like "From the toilet" if I am not mistaken.

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RE: American Revolution - 7/26/2019 8:01:28 PM   
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RE: American Revolution - 7/27/2019 1:55:19 AM   
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On Steam there is a game Hold the Line, also available on Hexwar. Quite simple but suprisingly quite accurate historically. Playing rebel colonists you cannot smash the whole British army, only you can do is to make some casualties which lower enemy's morale. In my personal opinion - worth a look and know :)



Or y'know... you could go play the tabletop game of the same name that it's based on.

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